New Bosses in Abba and SOT

MagicEmpress - Lost City
MagicEmpress - Lost City Posts: 795 Arc User
edited May 2012 in General Discussion
It sure was funny seeing a couple of +12 Rank 9s lying all over the floor in SOT today.
We didn't have a barb...
b:chuckle

It's nice they made a boss or two you need a barb for but come on, harder than most HH 3-3 bosses?
That's screwy.

Remember these are BHs and meant to be dailies, not some hardcore boss that's gonna drop an uber 3rd cast mold.

I pity the guys who just turned 100 and still have +5 HH 99 gear.
You are suppose to do BHs to upgrade your gear, not have uber gear to do the BHs.
b:surrender

Here's a plan:
Have an option for the BH for either the old SOT/Abba bosses or the newer harder ones with a better reward, that way weaker parties can chose to do the old/easier BH boss and the tough guys and gals can try the new ones with higher rewards.


I haven't been one shotted in PvE outside of HH 3-3 final boss and cube room 38 in like over a year since I went R9 +12.

b:cry
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    My question is, do we know everything about how the boss functions at least? Don't care if its "hard" if it is doable by most players, and by most, I mean those sporting at least TT99/Nirv/Rank 8.
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  • Atlantasia - Sanctuary
    Atlantasia - Sanctuary Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Honestly I have no idea how people are getting one shotted, I went with a squad last night, we didn't kill any of the other bosses, didn't even bother to wine it, and killed the boss in under 20 seconds without any problems, went down like a hot knife through butter. And yes, we had two APSers in the squad and no one died at all.
  • Hexalot - Dreamweaver
    Hexalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 871 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Tonight was the first time I actually logged on and did a BH (Abba) since the update. We ran the instance unwined (that seems to be the new thing now and with token prices... I can see why... lol) and headed straight to the boss. Squad was Barb, cleric, BM, Archer, R9 seeker (me) and R9 Sin. I keep hearing on the forums how hard these bosses are supposed to be yet it dropped so fast I didn't even have time to get my vortex going... LOL

    Maybe there is some secret connection between Barbs and the new bosses that I'm not aware of or something where you have to have one in squad or else Boss is super hard ?

    But to be honest the boss on the face of it seemed far easier than the traditional Abba Peach blossom whom I've never seen drop that quickly in all my time doing this BH.
  • MagicEmpress - Lost City
    MagicEmpress - Lost City Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Again if you got a barb or a R9 apser you can nuke it but BHs are dailies meant for all not just the +12 R9 aspers.
    b:angry

    No comments about my plan for having the option for the easier boss?
    Those who do the harder boss can get a uncanny as an extra prize (10% chance at rap) when they turn in.

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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Atlantasia - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Honestly I have no idea how people are getting one shotted, I went with a squad last night, we didn't kill any of the other bosses, didn't even bother to wine it, and killed the boss in under 20 seconds without any problems, went down like a hot knife through butter. And yes, we had two APSers in the squad and no one died at all.

    My Sage Sin only 4aps (didn't use genie skill) got aggro from boss when barb died so it can't be that bad to aps (SoT boss). The buff balloon also specifies "melee", and while the buff was on: saw 20k crits from bow using cheapest ammo. People I think need to stop blaming aps and recognize auto atk or something else. Aps this, aps that.. -lol
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  • BurnWhenIWiz - Heavens Tear
    BurnWhenIWiz - Heavens Tear Posts: 289 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Sot boss is doable w/o R9 +12, or even more than TT99. Gotta run a squad like the old days. Let the barb grab aggro, then dd with skills and watch so that you don't steal aggro. Probably could do it with a BM (axe build with some vit *shock horror*), if they know their marrows, and hit with skills to hold aggro as much as their mp can handle.

    Toss wings on the tank before he runs up the first time if you're worried about him surviving that first hit, then IH/purify the tank, and dd's nuke away. The boss' defense buff procs on melee hits, ie, regular attacks at close range (so archers are good with normal attacks still). Which is why I think a lot of aps toons are having trouble with this. They're so used to BP being able to keep up, but if you're only getting back 5-10 hp per hit because of the boss' defense, then his hits are gonna overwhelm you pretty quickly.

    Haven't done abba yet, but warsong boss was doable the same way. Ranged dd's don't get hit with the frog curse, nor do clerics if they're healing the tank from IH range.

    In general, I think this update turned back the clock a bit on squad composition, and function, which people are just gonna have to get used to again.
  • oxytorch
    oxytorch Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    LOL we got barbs in world chat on HT charging 500k for SOT
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  • Tigerninja - Heavens Tear
    Tigerninja - Heavens Tear Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    oxytorch wrote: »
    LOL we got barbs in world chat on HT charging 500k for SOT

    b:victoryb:victoryb:laughb:victoryb:victory

    sounds like a little payback for dropping the tank barbs from Nirvana and APS runs!!!

    Imma charge you for SOT now!!! LMAO!!!
  • Phomez - Lost City
    Phomez - Lost City Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Only did SoT once yet, but did with a normal squad, no barb, only BM, Cler, Veno, Seeker and sins... The fact is that he one-shots people, just run, AD, spark and kill fast, worked for us, dont know if luck or not, but it worked... Gonna see next if goes the same, but yeah... A bit hard, but its good to have old school party now :)
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    oxytorch wrote: »
    LOL we got barbs in world chat on HT charging 500k for SOT

    Lol b:laugh
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  • Dariboo - Lost City
    Dariboo - Lost City Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I just soloed healed a squad of myself, seeker, +10 sin, archer, and psychic just like my aba squad i instructed when to and when not to attack and went smoothly and kept myself alive with my constant salvation buffs hehe b:laugh so far these new bosses are going smooth for me.
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  • Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear
    Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,541 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Maybe we should name these new bosses the "stop-'n-go bosses" for melee classes now then... b:pleased
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  • OIdpop - Heavens Tear
    OIdpop - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    LOL NOOOBBBSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS guys you dont need a freakin barb to kil lthe boss in SoT.yeah its more of a NUB survival %..but not needed.What is needed is on the boss is dmg control and one tank...but alot of you here never played the true PW before so i understand your weakness..maybe the bosses will show you howto play eventually like a true pw vet.


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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I don't know about others but I had no issues doing Aba. I tried the boss yesterday for the first time and just read about it on the forums beforehand. I was expecting squad wipes but we didn't even get close to that.

    And if you're curious, no I'm not R9 and I was not in a R9 squad and my squad had only a sin and a barb as melee, rest were casters.

    I've also done Metal, the mobs seemed to hit harder so it will not be doable with AA classes that don't even have 5k (as pullers). I have 6.2k HP unbuffed. Either way I didn't find it that bad. We had an Archer as tank.

    I think it comes down to putting together the right squad and actually doing something other than spark macro. Also, most people have R8 by now so I consider it as standard endgame gear.
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  • CroPsy - Heavens Tear
    CroPsy - Heavens Tear Posts: 476 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I tanked SoT boss with my 101 barb, with average gear (mix of TT90, TT99 and 100 Morai). And my HP almost never got down. We killed boss with average squad, mostly TT99 gear, no deaths.
  • Aquireis - Lost City
    Aquireis - Lost City Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I think its funny people keep saying these bosses are built for r9 or CSers. The bosses aren't that hard to kill. I have a seeker with TT90 gear and have no real problems with these bosses.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    The only ones I've seen get 1 shot or take a 27k+ hit are ones that only imbued citrines and wearing the non defense neck and belt (ethereal). Don't know if there's something to that lack of def or not.
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    How Come I'm only getting hit for less then 1ks on these bosses >_>
    /Charges only 300k to run your SoT ;p
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  • Heartz - Dreamweaver
    Heartz - Dreamweaver Posts: 422 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    How Come I'm only getting hit for less then 1ks on these bosses >_>
    /Charges only 300k to run your SoT ;p

    because people let melee classes hit the bosses.

    so far in my experienced it goes best if any melee class.. simply only WATCH lol. way more smooth. archer and casters can just hit.

    also it seem to use the healing thing buff more, the more ppl is in the squad and/or hitting. that could just be bcause i havent done it enough times, to give an average tho..
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Heartz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    because people let melee classes hit the bosses.

    so far in my experienced it goes best if any melee class.. simply only WATCH lol. way more smooth. archer and casters can just hit.

    also it seem to use the healing thing buff more, the more ppl is in the squad and/or hitting. that could just be bcause i havent done it enough times, to give an average tho..

    Ran Sot like 5 times yesterday for people who couldn't kill it (without charging you greedy barbs) >_>

    hitting me for 700s and tick bleeds of only 1ks ;p

    Died in only 1 spark (with 2 BM HFs ;p)
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ran Sot like 5 times yesterday for people who couldn't kill it (without charging you greedy barbs) >_>

    hitting me for 700s and tick bleeds of only 1ks ;p

    Died in only 1 spark (with 2 BM HFs ;p)

    So archers or any ranged class can solo without problems? b:chuckle Maybe I`ll try on my archer then.
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  • Odinna - Dreamweaver
    Odinna - Dreamweaver Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Mmmm and ... If the boss is random, I mean, like 79BH door old days. Get in, if the boss is hard, re-squad to try again O.o ? Sounds silly no, but maybe it works? idk, will explain why some ppl kill it as fast as one HF and some die in a R9s squad...

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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So archers or any ranged class can solo without problems? b:chuckle Maybe I`ll try on my archer then.

    Mhm pretty much as long as you have the pdef to survive the bleed ticks. (I get ~15k pdef buffed.)
    Odinna - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Mmmm and ... If the boss is random, I mean, like 79BH door old days. Get in, if the boss is hard, re-squad to try again O.o ? Sounds silly no, but maybe it works? idk, will explain why some ppl kill it as fast as one HF and some die in a R9s squad...

    b:chuckle

    Automatic Super Pdef buff when too much melee damage is being received by the SoT boss. I yell at my squads to not be APS idiots and use skills or for sins their bows if they cant skill spam with CoD and the boss dies pretty quick.
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  • Haila - Sanctuary
    Haila - Sanctuary Posts: 467 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Mhm pretty much as long as you have the pdef to survive the bleed ticks. (I get ~15k pdef buffed.)



    Automatic Super Pdef buff when too much melee damage is being received by the SoT boss. I yell at my squads to not be APS idiots and use skills or for sins their bows if they cant skill spam with CoD and the boss dies pretty quick.

    Dont know about seat boss and i'm not 100% sure, I did abaddon 2 times and the 2nd time i was like trying to aps and get myself killed. And i was surprised after boss buffed himself like the 3rd time it was dead. Was duoing bm/sage sin and when it was about to die, we were not sparking (bm was tanking btw). Possible trick will be NO spark aps b:chuckle
  • lordmot
    lordmot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Phomez - Lost City wrote: »
    Only did SoT once yet, but did with a normal squad, no barb, only BM, Cler, Veno, Seeker and sins... The fact is that he one-shots people, just run, AD, spark and kill fast, worked for us, dont know if luck or not, but it worked... Gonna see next if goes the same, but yeah... A bit hard, but its good to have old school party now :)

    It's sad that a squad with no Barb is now considered the norm. Cudos to PWI for at least attempting to breathe life back into the original tank class.
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  • Panty_Thief - Raging Tide
    Panty_Thief - Raging Tide Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    lordmot wrote: »
    It's sad that a squad with no Barb is now considered the norm. Cudos to PWI for at least attempting to breathe life back into the original tank class.

    You forgot to highlight that he called that an old school party too with sins and seeker b:chuckle
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    So archers or any ranged class can solo without problems? b:chuckle Maybe I`ll try on my archer then.

    I don't think archers can solo the new bosses like how we can solo the old bosses. Both of the old bosses hits me in the range of a bit over 1k outside of BB while I am range tanking. The new ones could potentially spike a 4k hit in outside of BB... which could actually kill me if i am not getting heals/pots.
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  • Crescendia - Harshlands
    Crescendia - Harshlands Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Just a question. Are these bosses the way to get the Morai Skill books they just released? Been looking for a post on how people get them because I want my chi burn skill >.<
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  • KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,461 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Crescendia - Harshlands wrote: »
    Just a question. Are these bosses the way to get the Morai Skill books they just released? Been looking for a post on how people get them >.<

    Newest ones are obtained from Advanced Endless Universe
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  • Crescendia - Harshlands
    Crescendia - Harshlands Posts: 805 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Newest ones are obtained from Advanced Endless Universe

    Oh, do you need to unlock regular endless universe to do advanced?
    Originally Posted by Curses - Harshlands

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