Tokens at 35k now, good job PWI!

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  • Namari - Dreamweaver
    Namari - Dreamweaver Posts: 598 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Chaaaaa-yeeeeahhhh...

    I think GM's on private servers have more sense. I umpteen the idea of an npc selling crabs/mp food.

    Back in the day when there wasn't crab/mp food, gold was also affordable enough to be double charmed, barbs didn't have 40k+ hp and if you saw a caster with over 7k hp unbuffed they were gods. You can use the divine foods, sure, but that relies on pure luck to get purple/blue quests, which I get once every month if that. So once your stash of those run out, what now? You can't do much high level stuff without at least a stash of herbs/crabs, so those who can't spend money in this game (or won't, and for good reason), are essentially screwed.
    Censorship is the bane of creativity. Censorship is the bane of personality. Most of all...censorship is the bane of identity.

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  • Tremblewith - Heavens Tear
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,558 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Namari - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I think GM's on private servers have more sense.

    No need to "think". I know for a fact that anyone who runs a private server of PWI has more sense and knowledge than the one-man staff here @ PWE. :P
  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    No need to "think". I know for a fact that anyone who runs a private server of PWI has more sense and knowledge than the one-man staff here @ PWE. :P

    Good one and true one !
  • RyuTiger - Raging Tide
    RyuTiger - Raging Tide Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Namari - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Chaaaaa-yeeeeahhhh...

    I think GM's on private servers have more sense. I umpteen the idea of an npc selling crabs/mp food.

    Back in the day when there wasn't crab/mp food, gold was also affordable enough to be double charmed, barbs didn't have 40k+ hp and if you saw a caster with over 7k hp unbuffed they were gods. You can use the divine foods, sure, but that relies on pure luck to get purple/blue quests, which I get once every month if that. So once your stash of those run out, what now? You can't do much high level stuff without at least a stash of herbs/crabs, so those who can't spend money in this game (or won't, and for good reason), are essentially screwed.

    That is exactly what i try to say to people. If you dont have old character that farm easy good gear when it was cheap or u dont catshop like crazy today...no room in the game for you!
  • EtherbIade - Harshlands
    EtherbIade - Harshlands Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I don't care if people "respect" me on a pretty much dead forums. Where in my post did I trash talk? My post was aimed at the people who buy FF runs and end up being useless high levels that are too incompetent to play their class right and with the new "harder" stuff they REALLY won't know how to play. b:chuckle

    The topic is about tokens price, that affect some people cause the pots, some other for teleacoustic and yea for some people hyper stone, hyper stone can be obtain by tokens and some people use it, so who cares if people power lvl or not, if people use teleacoustic to troll or spam world chat, its not the point of that thread what people do with the items they get by tokens, its about the tokens price.

    Your are a funny person, when people said that was funny that a goon glitcher lvl 105 was making a poll against hyper, you said over and over again to people that they didn't know you and before speak about you and say things they should ask and get informations about you, but you do the same, you judge people without know them, maybe the guy (or girl) never bought a FC, did you ask him/her? But automatically cause he/she said the words ''hyper stones'' you judge him/her saying poor hyper baby noob.
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  • MrMelvin - Heavens Tear
    MrMelvin - Heavens Tear Posts: 388 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    EtherbIade - Harshlands wrote: »
    Your are a funny person, when people said that was funny that a goon glitcher lvl 105 was making a poll against hyper, you said over and over again to people that they didn't know you and before speak about you and say things they should ask and get informations about you, but you do the same, you judge people without know them, maybe the guy (or girl) never bought a FC, did you ask him/her? But automatically cause he/she said the words ''hyper stones'' you judge him/her saying poor hyper baby noob.

    KawaiiJen isn't a 105 goon glitcher. I can say that because I saw him/her buying countless FF green gears to gain exp. And for you to say that you need to know information about someone first before you judge them on buying FF is stupid. It is a well known fact that EVERYONE buys FF to level, I have and have met people on the run who don't know the game, don't know how to stat a cleric and don't know what things are.

    Token prices will go back down, the NPC to use them on is only lasting a week if I'm not mistaken?
  • Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    What about the pots from Divine Orders? They are a nice replacement imo...

    However, sucks that teleport stones and teleacoustics are more expensive.

    I already use those hppots when I can instead of crab meat to spare myself some costs. However, vortex needs either an mpcharm or the mpfood... at this moment it's just too damn expensive .-.

    I use what? 300mpfoods in just trials 2? With current prices of 25k, it would cost me 450k for just trials 2...
    I won't be doing BH, wines have a top-price atm, and for delta, well yeh, mpfood. Again.

    I honestly don't care about half the things they do. Just gimme my hp and mpfood for cheap >:C
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  • ExMyPrecious - Dreamweaver
    ExMyPrecious - Dreamweaver Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    25k is nothing....on dreamweaver they sell for 80k b:victory
  • ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver
    ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Something interesting was pointed out to me today...

    "In order for our business strategy to succeed over time, we will need to continually develop, launch and operate new online games or license or acquire new games that are commercially successful. We will need to do this to both replace our existing online games as they reach the end of their useful economic lives, which we believe are typically three to five years..."

    How long has PWE hosted this game?

    Seems like PWI is reaching the end of it's economic life.

    http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/images/2011_ar.pdf
  • Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Something interesting was pointed out to me today...

    "In order for our business strategy to succeed over time, we will need to continually develop, launch and operate new online games or license or acquire new games that are commercially successful. We will need to do this to both replace our existing online games as they reach the end of their useful economic lives, which we believe are typically three to five years..."

    How long has PWE hosted this game?

    Seems like PWI is reaching the end of it's economic life.

    http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/images/2011_ar.pdf


    I'm not even amazed :)

    I am amazed however that you didn't get bored enough to close that file after reading the title XD
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  • ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver
    ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »



    I'm not even amazed :)

    I am amazed however that you didn't get bored enough to close that file after reading the title XD

    Lol, I didn't read the whole thing. Someone else directed me to the section I quoted. Although I did find it interesting they are based out of the Cayman Islands. Maybe Mitt Romney owns part of it?
  • EtherbIade - Harshlands
    EtherbIade - Harshlands Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It is a well known fact that EVERYONE buys FF to level

    I needed a signature b:pleased
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  • Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary
    Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary Posts: 1,264 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Lol, I didn't read the whole thing. Someone else directed me to the section I quoted. Although I did find it interesting they are based out of the Cayman Islands. Maybe Mitt Romney owns part of it?

    xD oh oke. Then I'm amazed with the person who directed you there, since that person prolly did read it o.o;
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  • LyuKang - Sanctuary
    LyuKang - Sanctuary Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    genotypist wrote: »
    We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

    Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.

    And let me guess, this is how you guys are right now.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4ViZe6aZzk
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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    genotypist wrote: »
    We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

    Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.

    I hope that this Aurora Agent is temporary and will be taken out of the game after a week or so. You say that the benefits outweigh the drawbacks...can you list those benefits against the few drawbacks? A larger quantity of benefits does not always out weigh a single drawback if placed on a balance scale.

    If you are thinking that the only drawback is higher token prices, then you are neglecting to see all the indirect consequences it can produce.

    The token prices will never go back to being "normal" as long as that npc is there. Why?...

    Average token price on Sanctuary was 14k each
    Average Damascene Ore prices was 16 mil each
    Average Uncanny Crystal price was 300k each

    If tokens were to remain at this "normal" price that you speak of at 14k each co-existence with the Aurora Agent, that would redefine the market value of the items mentioned above per every 20 tokens consumed:

    Damascene Ores - 5.8 mil (20 tokens + 398 tokens)
    Uncannies: 280k

    As a reminder, gambling with the 20 tokens per quest can also fetch the person a change to obtain rapture crystals and other valuable items. The person gambling with the set perimeters does not have much to lose if tokens were valued at a normal price 14k each. There is hardly any financial risk to taking the quest. Due to this logic reasoning, the supply of tokens will not meet the demand of tokens. And as pointed out by some responses, all servers are in a shortage of tokens because of no decent pack sales. Therefore, the price of tokens will no longer be at that normal price ever again if this npc is left in.

    Another consequence is that this will cause nirvana farming to be much lower or completely stop as it is not that profitable for players. Those who need uncannies or raptures can just do this quest or buy from others at below previous market value.

    Another are damascene ores. I run a trial faction on my server so I know this to be a fact based on our attendance records and reasons for the members' interest in running higher trials. With this alternative source of damascene ores, it will prompt lesser people to spend time and do higher trials. This npc can take away motivation to do trials for the damascene ores.
  • Mingkeey - Lost City
    Mingkeey - Lost City Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    this npc should only be here for 2 days..the **** are you gm's thinking??!!
    oh was funny gm saying trolololol in world chat.b:shutup

    this dancing stormtrooper reminds me of every dev and gm of perfect world

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZTEHzDzTOA&feature=youtu.be

    xD
  • Sagek - Sanctuary
    Sagek - Sanctuary Posts: 1,156 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    ElwinCastor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Something interesting was pointed out to me today...

    "In order for our business strategy to succeed over time, we will need to continually develop, launch and operate new online games or license or acquire new games that are commercially successful. We will need to do this to both replace our existing online games as they reach the end of their useful economic lives, which we believe are typically three to five years..."

    How long has PWE hosted this game?

    Seems like PWI is reaching the end of it's economic life.

    http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/images/2011_ar.pdf

    Hrmmmm..
  • MageMERC - Harshlands
    MageMERC - Harshlands Posts: 1,600 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    genotypist wrote: »
    We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

    Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.

    PWI arent stupid. I made a suggestion thread about regulating the tokens prices a long time ago, because they are of vital importance in the economy.

    This move will bring in more cash for PWI. Thats the bottom line. Token prices will go back to 'normal' you say. Now thats some ambiguous reassurance right there - what is normal. Anyway, no they wont. If, as is proposed the Aurora Agent comes and goes, merchants with the buying power will now buy and hoard vast amounts of tokens to sell whenever the Aurora agent is around.

    On the other hand, I wonder if this will change the face of farming since apoc remedies may start to play a bigger part since the cost of crabs/yuanxio's will be unaffordable.

    Just out of interest did any of the 'benefits' you mention, include benefits for players?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I wouldn't judge the market based on the craziness you see the first hour after servers come back up. Give it a few days to settle.

    And 1 day later tokens on Sanc have fallen to 20-24k. Will probably hit 17k tomorrow.
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  • Reaperarm - Harshlands
    Reaperarm - Harshlands Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    genotypist wrote: »
    We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

    Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.

    Suuuuure they will. Just like when you guys said gold prices would come back down to a reasonable level right? I don't feel like finding frankierayes statement as its in an old thread but ya. The company you work for and all of its employees statements are worth squat.
    If you find yourself hopelessly pulled towards running into massive amounts of mobs in a vain attempt to aoe them all to death.......You just might be a bm.
  • ISlitMyCIit - Sanctuary
    ISlitMyCIit - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    When ever have anyone seen a new content update and prices not going insanely high on whatever it may be?

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