Tokens at 35k now, good job PWI!
Comments
-
Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »The prices will eventually settle down. And then they'll go up whenever PWE brings the NPC back, which will probably coincide with every single pack sale they'll be making, just to boost the sales.
From what I gather, a lot of factions that do Trials don't sell their Damascenes outside of faction. That, coupled with the Damascenes being in high demand even if you only have a handful of players in your faction needing it leads to very low supply. The supply would also be nearly non-existent for players who don't do Trials.
They will probably do something like that...
I can think of at least 4 factions on my server who do trials and no one in them needs the Dama ores.... More factions just have to do it
[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
Ty Fon for the Siggy
The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute0 -
One set of Hypers Now = 1,575,000 Coins.
Broken Game is Broken if this doesn't change.0 -
Rinin - Harshlands wrote: »One set of Hypers Now = 1,575,000 Coins.
Broken Game is Broken if this doesn't change.
Oh no... those poor hyper baby noobs
(Who cares?)[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
Ty Fon for the Siggy
The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute0 -
Rinin - Harshlands wrote: »One set of Hypers Now = 1,575,000 Coins.
Broken Game is Broken if this doesn't change.
lol thank god...maybe people will try to lvl slowly and power lvl every now and then instead of getting to 100 in a week and then getting into nirvy and going "squish".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"sorry i hate post like this,im not trolling it,Im freakin gargoyaling it." - OIdpop - Heavens Tear
"You can't quit untill you try, you can't live untill you die; You can't learn to tell the truth untill you learn to lie
You can't breathe untill you choke; You gotta laugh when you're the joke
There's nothing like a funeral to make you feel ALIVE" - Lyrics (not mine obviously coz I'm dumbb:chuckle)0 -
Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »The prices will eventually settle down. And then they'll go up whenever PWE brings the NPC back, which will probably coincide with every single pack sale they'll be making, just to boost the sales.
Personally I don't think it's the sales that are the issue, it's the price these merchants are selling things for that is the issue. They have no problem keeping prices high for as long as they have to, to set a new price for tokens.
I mean you remember when Tokens were 9k - 10k? what was the logic behind rasing the price to 15k - 19k? At that time the demand did not increase and if it did because of a sale it was a small increase but did it really justify raising token prices?0 -
genotypist wrote: »We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.
dont understand this...
theres a lot ppl buy from token, like tele, gems, crabs etc.
so all prices raise for this and as u say, only ppl who use the aurora npc and mabye win something can pay the raised prices.
aha...if they found some one who buy the stuff they win, for a high price maybe.
so much maybes:
maybe u win something usefull
maybe some one buy it from u
AND mabye token price will go back normal
a lot ppl say: the game is dying and pwi try to rip the last off the users.
maybe: thats way the update destroy again the economy0 -
Sagek - Sanctuary wrote: »I mean you remember when Tokens were 9k - 10k? what was the logic behind rasing the price to 15k - 19k? At that time the demand did not increase and if it did because of a sale it was a small increase but did it really justify raising token prices?
The only "realistic" justification for the price bump would be that during Christmas we had packs for 22 Silver a piece, since then the best we've gotten was 35.2, mostly 44 silver. Which would lead to less packs being opened and thus less tokens in the circulation. Less circulation leads to harder time to buy, thus they raise the buy price. Together with that, they raise their sell price to keep their profits. Others repeat the process and we have a new price for tokens.I am Olba. Not Ol, not Baze nor Blaze. And even less would I go by Olblaze. Please, take a second to read a person's username.
If you see b:cute be sure to take a second, calm look at anything I said.0 -
Meh. Imma just login to pick keys and do morai-dailies for the next week. If the prices don't drop when he's gone I'll just collect skype and facebook's from ppl I'd like to stay in touch with and I'm out.
I honestly don't care about r9, I don't care about nirvana recast, or any kind of "buy your power here"
But token prices have to do with the way I play this game(which is just for fun) and if I can't afford my mpfoods and have some coin left, without doing OHT-daily, Cube, and just selling mob drops, no thanks. ^^[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
genotypist wrote: »We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.
That`s laughable. You mind telling what are the benefits? And no, tokens will never go back to the low prices they were as long as it`s not stated Aurora Agent will never return. Sure they drop in price when the npc is gone but from now on tokens will always have Aurora boost in price. This affect the high end players and cashshoppers the least. The once you are **** over are the lower levels, the possible "new generation" of playerbase, which is really amusing as it`s the new ppl to the game that "need" to spend money for their gear.Trolling Sid since So Hot
0 -
Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »The only "realistic" justification for the price bump would be that during Christmas we had packs for 22 Silver a piece, since then the best we've gotten was 35.2, mostly 44 silver. Which would lead to less packs being opened and thus less tokens in the circulation. Less circulation leads to harder time to buy, thus they raise the buy price. Together with that, they raise their sell price to keep their profits. Others repeat the process and we have a new price for tokens.
And here in lies the problem. At this point tokens should have a perm price just like most everything in this game. At this point token sellers rasing their price to test the waters is **** because if they keep them high for long enough people are going to be forced to pay those prices which will continue the cycle.Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »Meh. Imma just login to pick keys and do morai-dailies for the next week. If the prices don't drop when he's gone I'll just collect skype and facebook's from ppl I'd like to stay in touch with and I'm out.
I honestly don't care about r9, I don't care about nirvana recast, or any kind of "buy your power here"
But token prices have to do with the way I play this game(which is just for fun) and if I can't afford my mpfoods and have some coin left, without doing OHT-daily, Cube, and just selling mob drops, no thanks. ^^
Honestly they need to make NPC's sell crab meat and MPfood just put it somewhere not everyone can get to like in morai.
The fact that merchants control such a vital part of everyones game play opens the door for unhappy merchants who have the money to destory the market and cause people to quit because of the simple fact that they can't afford to play the game the way they normally do.0 -
I'd love an npc that sells hp/mpfood for a decent price T-T[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
-
The once you are **** over are the lower levels, the possible "new generation" of playerbase, which is really amusing as it`s the new ppl to the game that "need" to spend money for their gear.
that say a lot ppl and for this, they say pwi is dying.
so no interest in new player, more focus on the ppl hyper herself up to 100+
they now want r9, refine...and pwi the cash.
games like this are made buy designer who think on every stuff the design "how can we make money with this".
so i dont belive this is a short test and will be changed.
the use of crab meat lowers the charm selling, so this problem for pwi is now gone.
im sure you all will find more good changes for pwi like this^^
or did any 1 know anything what was here changed wen player dont like it ?0 -
SPREAD THE WORD:
Well is simply actually, for non addicted ppl.
Have you ever heard of the pasifict protest ways?, well in many countries ppl have managed to low down the prices of either phone billings, electricity, internet, and many other things.
HOW? you say, well is simple. A block, to the companies, in this case, "the CATSHOPS", or even better PWE itself.
But Why pwe?, Cashopers specially, will say, is not pwe fault, because ofc, they're happy with the adjustments. The truth is pwe can prevent this kind of things, and just as a MOD confessed a few pages ago: "We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. "... WTF?
Well, we all know that AH can have a limit on the pricing, making it impossible to sell gold at RAPIST prices, we all know that catshops also have limits, the question is why not setting a limit on AH for 1mil for instance?, or making it impossible to sell tokens for over 10k? it's a fair price tbh, I made a looooot of coins in the past by selling them 10k. But the answer is simple, pwe won't do that because, who doesn't loves money?.
Said that, the sugestion is simple, Stop playing pwe, NOT forever, no is not necessary is just a warning, to the personal and to the greedy players, that in the end, it doesn't matter how many TOP CS, they have, the Majority will always be right.
Yes yes, I know top CS will say, that the game sustain thanks to us all who CS, but Guys let's be real, I have CS on other games as well, and they died, I would mention some examples for you to check yourselves, but i can't. The thing is that when the players unable to CS, get to this point, where ALL the benefits are exclusive for the CS, they simply will start walking away, slowly but surely, and with them MANY OF US CS, because I personally, don't like playing on a GHOST TOWN. Is not fun, is not challenging, is BORING.
In the end the only ones left will be the extreme CS that spent thousands and thousands of dollars on the game that are so attached that they can only log to stand afk there hoping for someone to come pvp, repeating the same routine day after day.
Yes Free players need us, but we also need them.
That's why I decided to stop doing CS on my main account. And if you guys care for the game, I suggest you to protest with me. Stop playing, stop paying, for a week or two, there are plenity of games to play in the meanwhile, I'm doing this and I'm taking a few ppl with me my gf and my best friends, yes we're few but of MORE OF YOU have the courage to do it with us, pwe won't have another option but to LISTEN.
That's why I invite you all to log out and stop doing CS at exactly 12 am SERVER TIME, let's show pwe WHO GOT THE POWER!. One week without pwi, won't kill us, you miss your friends? you have the chat or the forums, you wanna have fun, there are LOTS of games out there you can try out, pwe will risk losing ppl that will find or get attached to other games.
Let's do it because we love the game and having fun.0 -
genotypist wrote: »We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically influence the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.
A few edits have to be made on the Admin post, to translate it to their real meaning I highlight the fix.
We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically F**k UP the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits For OUR Wallets outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make a sh** load of money without ripping off a lot of people.0 -
gaiaguardian wrote: »A few edits have to be made on the Admin post, to translate it to their real meaning I highlight the fix.
We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically F**k UP the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits For OUR Wallets outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make a sh** load of money without ripping off a lot of people.
QFT.
/10charIf you find yourself hopelessly pulled towards running into massive amounts of mobs in a vain attempt to aoe them all to death.......You just might be a bm.0 -
gaiaguardian wrote: »A few edits have to be made on the Admin post, to translate it to their real meaning I highlight the fix.
We knew that the Aurora Agent would drastically F**k UP the economy, especially the Tokens. Ultimately though, it was decided that the benefits For OUR Wallets outweighed the drawbacks. Though as the saying goes: you can't make a sh** load of money without ripping off a lot of people.
Hahaha funny.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Facebook.com/tangyfox
EX Legendary on Sanctuary
Moved to LC to PK0 -
This NPC has caused alot of problems for Players!!!! No one wants to do Nirvana or Caster anymore cause of it. The catshops have lowered the prices of buying the cannie. From 320 down to 201. So now the game is really getting boring..I looked forward to logging in and doing BH's just to get a Talisman to do Caster. Since that is how I make my coins. But now that is ruined for now. b:sadWnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »That`s laughable. You mind telling what are the benefits? And no, tokens will never go back to the low prices they were as long as it`s not stated Aurora Agent will never return. Sure they drop in price when the npc is gone but from now on tokens will always have Aurora boost in price. This affect the high end players and cashshoppers the least. The once you are **** over are the lower levels, the possible "new generation" of playerbase, which is really amusing as it`s the new ppl to the game that "need" to spend money for their gear.0 -
Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »The prices will eventually settle down. And then they'll go up whenever PWE brings the NPC back, which will probably coincide with every single pack sale they'll be making, just to boost the sales.
The point is that this "aurora agent" has essentially created a new floor for token prices since they will never go back down to the previous level of 12.5K per token (price for DW server). People will hoard them in anticipation of the next appearance of the npc and this together with the generally higher pack prices we've seen recently, will ensure that token supply remains lower than before.Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »Meh. Imma just login to pick keys and do morai-dailies for the next week. If the prices don't drop when he's gone I'll just collect skype and facebook's from ppl I'd like to stay in touch with and I'm out.
I honestly don't care about r9, I don't care about nirvana recast, or any kind of "buy your power here"
But token prices have to do with the way I play this game(which is just for fun) and if I can't afford my mpfoods and have some coin left, without doing OHT-daily, Cube, and just selling mob drops, no thanks. ^^
I think you've just eloquently spoken for the "little guy" in PWI... those non-merchants/non-cash shoppers who desperately depend on tokens to comfortably play the game at their own pace. Unfortunately however, PWE is currently waaay more interested in the game's One percenters. Go figure.
0 -
Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »The point is that this "aurora agent" has essentially created a new floor for token prices since they will never go back down to the previous level of 12-13K per token. People will hoard them in anticipation of the next appearance of the npc and this together with the generally higher pack prices we've seen recently, will ensure that token supply remains lower than before.
What is the new floor price?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Refining Simulator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/refiningsimulator.html (don't use IE)
Genie Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html - (don't use IE)
Socket Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »What is the new floor price?
We'll find out in a week's time sure enough... but it sure as hell won't be what it was before. b:bye0 -
I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. As a Mystic, Psychic, and Veno, MPfood is my staple. I literally cannot function in battle without it. Unless I take the time to farm Hell, I basically won't have MP pots. Good thing my apothecary is 6, and my faction owns land. -_-
It's bad enough now as it is, how is ruining the economy MORE, helping? I can't even sell cannies now because you're practically GIVING them away! How am I supposed to farm coin for shards and refines that I need for endgame if the prices of the **** I'm selling are so cheap?
As a Psychic, I'm looking into PWE's future and:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/xyz_02/20678811.jpg
And on THAT note:
http://s73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/xyz_02/Save%20PWI/
Save PWI 2012: The Movement begins with you.They made fun of me because I wasn't a R8 Psychic...and then came third cast. It's not funny anymore.
Reason 88 to buy a makeover scroll:
gomba: "Your butt looks like an eggplant."
Q_Q0 -
Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »We'll find out in a week's time sure enough... but it sure as hell won't be what it was before. b:bye
There is nothing in place to stop the price of both nirvana mats and R8 mats from plummeting to dirt cheap/worthless given a huge swell of token supply. Right now the token supply is very low because of the lack of good pack sales over the last few months.
The only floor in place for tokens is still 10k since you can trade them in for triumph money at that price. No matter what the supply of tokens, no matter what kind of pack sale there is, tokens will never fall below 10k. That is what a floor is all about.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Refining Simulator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/refiningsimulator.html (don't use IE)
Genie Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html - (don't use IE)
Socket Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html0 -
ClericMD - Lost City wrote: »Use the emisary pots, 150 free pots that give you 3000 hp or mana and you only need do a easy quest.
#1 You need be lvl 101 for that
#2 Its IF you get the quest which give the item for that, sometime i can do all my bh for many days without get a purple or blue quest and 150 pots spend in a day or 2 so unless they put all the quest blue or purple its not enough to count just on these pots.KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Oh no... those poor hyper baby noobs
(Who cares?)
Funny how you want people to respect you, but you are the first one to trash talk and disrespect.
We know you hate hyper stone, we got it, no need insult people.Hazumi_chan - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd love an npc that sells hp/mpfood for a decent price T-T
So do i.
Would be fun if they used a other item, token is the only way to get pots at ''decent'' price.
Im glad cause as mystic and cleric i don't absolutely need crab meat but that suck for class who need it.
To be honest i think they should put crab meat 3 tokens for 50 like herb is.
I guess the only consolation is that npc is there just for 1 week so price should go back to normal soon.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
I'd just like to point out that back in the day, we used to rely on sane gold prices (100k or so), which were then ruined by PWE's blatant disregard of economic stability. Then came tokens... and as gold went insufferably high, we got used to using tokens for all kinds of stuff. Within a few months we were hooked on them, and hooked on that pretty little price floor of 10k that was supported by all the catshop merchants.
But come on, didn't anyone else expect that bubble to burst eventually? Tokens are dependent on packs which are dependent on money given to PWE. Thus, eventually as PWE and the devs made stupid decision after stupid decision, the pack-buying public would drift away and the token supply would dry up, gradually causing an inflationary panic. You can't say we didn't see this coming. Really, the only funny part is how PWE (and geno's comments in particular) seemed to say "**** it, we may as well put the economy out of its misery now."
I mean, on one level it'd be hilarious to see people raging about the price of Flawless Shards being like they used to be in the good ole' days. But eventually the reality of this is going to set in (most likely, once people are done fighting over the new Epeen Extensions du jour), and then we may see just how addicted we really were. And once that happens, we'll be able to get a better idea of what damage has been done.
I'll tell you one thing, though... and this is the one that makes me shake my head and smile:
You mean like how xarfox gave us the exact same BS about gold prices almost three years ago? Because if so, you may as well kiss your token addictions goodbye and wait for withdrawl symptoms to set in. XDGenotypist wrote:Token prices will go back to normal eventually. Give it a bit of time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
Other Active Characters:
LigerKing (Barb), Girasole (BM), Shamsheer (Sin), ArborSoul (Mystic).0 -
EtherbIade - Harshlands wrote: »Funny how you want people to respect you, but you are the first one to trash talk and disrespect.
We know you hate hyper stone, we got it, no need insult people.
I don't care if people "respect" me on a pretty much dead forums. Where in my post did I trash talk? My post was aimed at the people who buy FF runs and end up being useless high levels that are too incompetent to play their class right and with the new "harder" stuff they REALLY won't know how to play. b:chuckle[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
Ty Fon for the Siggy
The rare and exotic Sage Archer of HT. b:cute0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »There is nothing in place to stop the price of both nirvana mats and R8 mats from plummeting to dirt cheap/worthless given a huge swell of token supply. Right now the token supply is very low because of the lack of good pack sales over the last few months.
The only floor in place for tokens is still 10k since you can trade them in for triumph money at that price. No matter what the supply of tokens, no matter what kind of pack sale there is, tokens will never fall below 10k. That is what a floor is all about.
You're talking about (for lack of a better term) a hard floor. We can haggle over definitions if you want but in reality the only time actual prices ever matches that hard floor is when you have an over abundance of supply... such as what happened with mirages when BH talismans were allowed to be converted to them. But with tokens demand has always been higher than supply judging by the fact that we haven't seen (on my server at least) tokens drop to 10k in more than a year... regardless of how cheap packs have gotten. If memory serves me it has always shifted in the 11-13K range.
Now with the threat of this aurora agent npc returning from time to time, hoarding by players will occur once the prices lowers some from it's current madness... in hopes of profiting from the next appearance of the npc. So an even more reduced supply should ensure a working floor price well above well above what tokens had settled at before.0 -
well its down to about 25k on sanc among the token competitors[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan0 -
A barb cant tank with no Hp crab, a seeker cant vortex without mp crabs, cleric cant BB, you can do 100k 1 token we dont give a damn, we just want crabs. If u do so bad update at least put the crabs at decent price on NPC so we can start playing like normal people. If you want only kids with mommy credit card to play this game why dont u just BAN all people who dont donate everyday? When all people who cant catshop will be gone the rich ones will have no one to sell items to because they all gonna have. 30% of players already left and I dont see many new players either. Me and many more cant play without crabs. And how can I make money on this lame game when there is no dungeon to farm coins, BH reward give only chips and sockets and no drops either? Even if i will farm Nirvana the drop cost less then repairs and crabs. Maybe you need to change the man who run this game cuz i see he is on something!0
-
What about the pots from Divine Orders? They are a nice replacement imo...
However, sucks that teleport stones and teleacoustics are more expensive.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
b:flowerHave a Techno Rave Flower!b:flower
-Self-Proclaimed TW commentator of HT-
-Certified Barbarian Master-
-You gained +10 coolness points for viewing this signature-
-Master of Coffee-0 -
Knownase - Heavens Tear wrote: »What about the pots from Divine Orders? They are a nice replacement imo...
However, sucks that teleport stones and teleacoustics are more expensive.
It cost u half on the potion u get just for making the quest and is not so good as crabs are. And if u dont get blue and purple quest what then?0
![http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]](http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]){kind=link}
Categories
- All Categories
- 181.9K PWI
- 699 Official Announcements
- 2 Rules of Conduct
- 264 Cabbage Patch Notes
- 61K General Discussion
- 1.5K Quality Corner
- 11.1K Suggestion Box
- 77.4K Archosaur City
- 3.5K Cash Shop Huddle
- 14.3K Server Symposium
- 18.1K Dungeons & Tactics
- 2K The Crafting Nook
- 4.9K Guild Banter
- 6.6K The Trading Post
- 28K Class Discussion
- 1.9K Arigora Colosseum
- 78 TW & Cross Server Battles
- 337 Nation Wars
- 8.2K Off-Topic Discussion
- 3.7K The Fanatics Forum
- 207 Screenshots and Videos
- 22.8K Support Desk