Any sale this week?

Karmiel - Dreamweaver
Karmiel - Dreamweaver Posts: 103 Arc User
edited May 2012 in General Discussion
Would be nice to have a refine sale.. a real sale that is. b:angry
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  • bearyflair
    bearyflair Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    A sale is a sale, dosen't matter if it's only 10% off. Be happy that you're actually saving money compared to the normal price you'd pay if it wasen't on sale.
  • Karmiel - Dreamweaver
    Karmiel - Dreamweaver Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    If you do not not value your money it does not matter. However as someone who is a heavy cash player and likes the value for his money.



    I would like to see a nice sale.


    Now step away from the keyboard and QQ over someone else's post nab. Unless maybe you have the answer.


    Cheers.


    So any sale this week?
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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    it`s actually pretty nice sale if PWI database is correct. Basically we got 9s 1* D.orbs with chance to pull better ones. It`s no 20g 10* sale but I`d expect gold to rise a bit.
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  • Yowie - Heavens Tear
    Yowie - Heavens Tear Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Good sale good sale b:victory i will be spending some $ this week
  • Karmiel - Dreamweaver
    Karmiel - Dreamweaver Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Awesome to hear.
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  • _RockHard_ - Lost City
    _RockHard_ - Lost City Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    eh I actually just came back within the last few months and started playing again and the sales are no where near what they used to be for anything I mean 5 gold for a hammer 2 when its on sale the normal price used to be 2 gold I think even.

    Alot of ppl dont even have to charge gold anymore with the game mechanics rofl just make a 5 aps sin sell frost you have your income right there or wait till x2 and farm nv you can make 50 mil a day easily why charge gold when you can buy it with things like that theres no need to charge when you can farm almost nearly as easily half the ppl I used to play with or still do all have a sin just for farming lol thats the only thing they get used for anymore bp+5aps+10= no money for pwi b:victory theres your reason for prices being raised b:surrender have fun off to my 5 aps bm to farm stoofs as well :3
  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    6.28 silver per dragon orb sale tomorrow b:victory
  • mystyluv
    mystyluv Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    _RockHard_ - Lost City wrote: »
    eh I actually just came back within the last few months and started playing again and the sales are no where near what they used to be for anything I mean 5 gold for a hammer 2 when its on sale the normal price used to be 2 gold I think even.

    Alot of ppl dont even have to charge gold anymore with the game mechanics rofl just make a 5 aps sin sell frost you have your income right there or wait till x2 and farm nv you can make 50 mil a day easily why charge gold when you can buy it with things like that theres no need to charge when you can farm almost nearly as easily half the ppl I used to play with or still do all have a sin just for farming lol thats the only thing they get used for anymore bp+5aps+10= no money for pwi b:victory theres your reason for prices being raised b:surrender have fun off to my 5 aps bm to farm stoofs as well :3

    OMG!!!! Do you understand how much is cost to make a 5 aps sin?? I know you don't.

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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    6.28 silver per dragon orb sale tomorrow b:victory

    check your math
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  • XxZavxX - Raging Tide
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    mystyluv wrote: »
    OMG!!!! Do you understand how much is cost to make a 5 aps sin?? I know you don't.

    Playing since 2008.

    Depends on server.

    TT99 ornies... Boots/Sleeves/Pants ->/R8/Wraithgate Cape to Lunar Cape and G13 Nirvana dags for 5aps I am guessing will run people about 400-550m on RT.
  • XxZavxX - Raging Tide
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    check your math

    Actually her math is closer to the correct orb price than 9s. You have to take into account the chances for higher orbs. I did the math and got something like 7.3s per orb.
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I wanna read through a thread that doesn't have an answer rather than a thread by someone that actually provides something worth reading. Gratz on useless thread getting replies.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Actually her math is closer to the correct orb price than 9s. You have to take into account the chances for higher orbs. I did the math and got something like 7.3s per orb.

    7.2 if you account the 2% AH fee. With that, it's 7.06. That is, if you take the 2-5* Orbs from Dragon's Fire as their respective quantities of 1* Orbs.

    Of course, if you account the 12* directly as being the bare minimum of 1,905 1*'s, then it's down to 6.57 or 6.7 with the 2% fee.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Actually her math is closer to the correct orb price than 9s. You have to take into account the chances for higher orbs. I did the math and got something like 7.3s per orb.

    9s is a sure thing, 7.06s if you dont include the 12*.
    you're kinda lying to yourself if you include it anyway, from a profitability perspective.

    i think you need to go an extra decimal place for the 2% AH to be relevant, i didnt include it and got the same as olbaze
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  • XxZavxX - Raging Tide
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    7.2 if you account the 2% AH fee. With that, it's 7.06. That is, if you take the 2-5* Orbs from Dragon's Fire as their respective quantities of 1* Orbs.

    Of course, if you account the 12* directly as being the bare minimum of 1,905 1*'s, then it's down to 6.57 or 6.7 with the 2% fee.

    Yes. Your calculations look more precise. I was doing the size of the amount of packs I will be able to open opposed to a proper sample sizing.
  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    7.2 if you account the 2% AH fee. With that, it's 7.06. That is, if you take the 2-5* Orbs from Dragon's Fire as their respective quantities of 1* Orbs.

    Of course, if you account the 12* directly as being the bare minimum of 1,905 1*'s, then it's down to 6.57 or 6.7 with the 2% fee.

    12* is 1905 1*star AND 2 Ocean Orbs. I used Ocean Orbs as 20 gold each, the number goes down if Ocean Orbs are counted at higher gold prices. I only messed up a little, subtracted 0.4 from 9 instead of 18. It should be 6.42 silver per dragon orb. At 50 gold per Ocean Orb, you have 6.21 silver per dragon orb.
  • XxZavxX - Raging Tide
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide Posts: 603 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    12* is 1905 1*star AND 2 Ocean Orbs. I used Ocean Orbs as 20 gold each, the number goes down if Ocean Orbs are counted at higher gold prices. I only messed up a little, subtracted 0.4 from 9 instead of 18. It should be 6.42 silver per dragon orb. At 50 gold per Ocean Orb, you have 6.21 silver per dragon orb.

    That model only works if you can manage to open 10,000 packs on a statistical basis. So not including the 12* Orb into the equation is a safer bet to figure out the value of orbs.
  • MiniST - Sanctuary
    MiniST - Sanctuary Posts: 604 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    XxZavxX - Raging Tide wrote: »
    That model only works if you can manage to open 10,000 packs on a statistical basis. So not including the 12* Orb into the equation is a safer bet to figure out the value of orbs.

    the model works even if you open 1 pack. Since the value of the dragon orb is so high, you cannot just exclude it.
  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    MiniST - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the model works even if you open 1 pack. Since the value of the dragon orb is so high, you cannot just exclude it.

    therefore if the odds of winning the lottery is 30 million to 1, and the jackpot is 60 million, you make a free dollar every time you buy a ticket. it works on paper.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Karmiel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If you do not not value your money it does not matter. However as someone who is a heavy cash player and likes the value for his money.



    I would like to see a nice sale.


    Now step away from the keyboard and QQ over someone else's post nab. Unless maybe you have the answer.


    Cheers.


    So any sale this week?

    Then stop spending and start farming if it's to much for your checking account to handle.
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  • MagicEmpress - Lost City
    MagicEmpress - Lost City Posts: 795 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    So the +1 orb are gonna be on sale not the +10.
    Well that will help my wallet some, and at least I'll get my sin's gear up to +7.
    b:laugh
  • Windwake - Raging Tide
    Windwake - Raging Tide Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    tweakz wrote: »
    I wanna read through a thread that doesn't have an answer rather than a thread by someone that actually provides something worth reading. Gratz on useless thread getting replies.
    Gratz on a totally pointless post thar buddy. Totally was worth it huh?
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then stop spending and start farming if it's to much for your checking account to handle.
    This game is nothing but farming. Hey, if someone wants to pay instead of be a mindless drone for hours upon hours, I've got no problems with it. Will I buy gold? No, but I'm not going to rage at people that do.
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  • Bosk - Sanctuary
    Bosk - Sanctuary Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Can someone please explain to me how you calculate that the value of a 1-star Dragon Orb is between 6s and 9s? I come up with around 12s.

    Here is my math, tell me what I have done wrong:

    1-star x 2 : 92.00% x 02 = 1.840 1-stars
    2-star x 1 : 05.75% x 04 = 0.230 1-stars
    3-star x 1 : 01.24% x 10 = 0.124 1-stars
    4-star x 1 : 00.70% x 25 = 0.175 1-stars
    5-star x 1 : 00.30% x 60 = 0.180 1-stars
    =========================

    This gives an average of 2.549 1-star dragon orbs (equivalent) per Dragon Fire Pack.

    The cost of this pack is 35s. The cost of 20 packs is 630s (31.5s each).

    Therefore 1, 1-star dragon Orb (equivalent) is worth 31.5s / 2.549 = 12.36s / 1-star.

    I know there is a 1 in 10,000 chance at a 12 star, and assuming you can get the equivalent of 20,000s (200g) for one, it would only reduce the value of each pack by 2s (on average 10,000 packs will generate an extra 20,000 silver).

    (31.5 - 2) / 2.549 = 11.57

    If you do factor in a coin to gold conversion, then this becomes 11.80 (11.57 x 1.02).


    Now, having said all that, there is a note on the PWDB page that suggests you actually get 2 of the items from the above chart. If that is the case, then the price is basically 1/2 BEFORE subtracting the 2s for the Flame.

    (31.5/2 -2) / 2.549 = 5.39s per D.Orb, which is again outside the 6s to 9s range mentioned in previous posts. If the Flame possibility is ignored the price is 6.18s / 1-star.

    If Flames are worth between 0 and 200g, the cost per 1-star is between 6.18s and 5.39s. If they are worth more than 200g, then the price per 1-star is even less.



    If I have missed something or some of my numbers are incorrect, please let me know.


    Good Luck!

    Edit:

    Okay, so the price is actually 360s per 20-pack (not 630) and you do not get the two tries the PWDB suggested. Assuming everything else is the same, I now get 7.06s (or 7.20s if AH 2% fee is added) which I think agrees with someone else's numbers. This is without accounting for a Flame Orb though.

    Anyone know what a Flame Orb is worth?

    Assuming 200g, the 1-star price is 6.27 / 6.40.

    This too seems to agree with other posts.

    Good Luck!
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  • jabq
    jabq Posts: 821 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Just on a side note, wasn't the pigment sale suppose to be removed from the boutique? why is it still there?
  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Is this about the cheapest 1* orbs get on sale?

    Whats the lowest they have ever been for 1* by themselves out of Dragon Fire packs?
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  • Bosk - Sanctuary
    Bosk - Sanctuary Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Lulznotwar - Lost City wrote: »
    Is this about the cheapest 1* orbs get on sale?

    Whats the lowest they have ever been for 1* by themselves out of Dragon Fire packs?



    This is definitely the cheapest they have been in a while, which means gold prices will likely climb a bit making their final value the same as during other sales. At the moment though, on Sanctuary at least, the theoretical cost (which means you buy enough to get a Flame Orb) is around 100K per 1-star orb. During the recent Golden Egg sale, the theoretical expected average value was around 125k.

    Actual results when opening packs are likely to fluctuate significantly from those values, unless you are able to open 10's of thousands of packs. Even if you open 10,000 packs, for example, you still have a 37% chance of not getting a Flame Orb.

    [The probability that all 10,000 openings are non-Flames = (1-0.0001)^10,000 or 0.9999 raise to the 10000th power.]

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  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Bosk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    This is definitely the cheapest they have been in a while, which means gold prices will likely climb a bit making their final value the same as during other sales. At the moment though, on Sanctuary at least, the theoretical cost (which means you buy enough to get a Flame Orb) is around 100K per 1-star orb. During the recent Golden Egg sale, the theoretical expected average value was around 125k.

    Actual results when opening packs are likely to fluctuate significantly from those values, unless you are able to open 10's of thousands of packs. Even if you open 10,000 packs, for example, you still have a 37% chance of not getting a Flame Orb.

    [The probability that all 10,000 openings are non-Flames = (1-0.0001)^10,000 or 0.9999 raise to the 10000th power.]

    Good Luck! (You'll need it b:chuckle.)

    80 Packs later :/

    2.175 1* per pack, still cheap but disappointly not as cheap as i'd hoped!
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  • Bosk - Sanctuary
    Bosk - Sanctuary Posts: 160 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Lulznotwar - Lost City wrote: »
    80 Packs later :/

    2.175 1* per pack, still cheap but disappointly not as cheap as i'd hoped!


    I did a little better (2.393 1* per pack) but not the theoretical 2.549 either. I was supposed to get 1-2 5* and got 0. The probability of getting 0 in my case was less than 20%, so obviously luck was not on my side. Unless ... b:scorn ... has anyone taken a close look at the PWI randomizer? IJA!

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  • Lulznotwar - Lost City
    Lulznotwar - Lost City Posts: 239 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Bosk - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I did a little better (2.393 1* per pack) but not the theoretical 2.549 either. I was supposed to get 1-2 5* and got 0. The probability of getting 0 in my case was less than 20%, so obviously luck was not on my side. Unless ... b:scorn ... has anyone taken a close look at the PWI randomizer? IJA!

    b:chuckle

    Yeah well everyone knows the PWI randomizer is fooked, i've been in a HH once where we killed 3 bosses, out of 4 people i got 1 mat out of the total of 30+ mats that dropped, the randomness just doesnt feel that random sometimes!

    Oh well i managed to +7 a piece with orbs i already had so cant complain too much
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