Lunar Glade
Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
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I know it's been done to death, but would more people farm lunar glade if there was no entrance fee for squad mode? I find myself wanting to farm the "mantle of glow" cape. (I realize it's not as good as a wing trophy cape, but it's not bound and it's certainly more unique) However, with the current state of lunar, that cape is nigh impossible to farm, and far more expensive than a wing trophy cape.
Also, is it true that the venomancer Wygie only spawns in trophy mode now?
Also, is it true that the venomancer Wygie only spawns in trophy mode now?
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Yes; clearly the entrance fee is a huge deterrence to people going in there. The difficulty is probably the main factor though. I thought it'd been changed back to a few mirages, anyway?
No idea on your latter question.0 -
Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »I know it's been done to death, but would more people farm lunar glade if there was no entrance fee for squad mode? I find myself wanting to farm the "mantle of glow" cape. (I realize it's not as good as a wing trophy cape, but it's not bound and it's certainly more unique) However, with the current state of lunar, that cape is nigh impossible to farm, and far more expensive than a wing trophy cape.
Also, is it true that the venomancer Wygie only spawns in trophy mode now?
The G13 lunar gold cape is better than the pack cape cuz its G13, can put josd's in it. And its barely more expensive. Maybe 75-80mil to buy the mats for it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Yes; clearly the entrance fee is a huge deterrence to people going in there. The difficulty is probably the main factor though. I thought it'd been changed back to a few mirages, anyway?
No idea on your latter question.
I don't find the difficulty that bad. The high HP of the monsters is kind of an annoynace, but the old lunar was roughly the same way from the way I remember it. New lunar is certainly easier than TT3-2 and 3-3. (also easier than colluseast and steelation in 3-1)
I don't really understand the 3 million coin entrance fee though. Anyone care to explain that one?0 -
ImNotFiveAps - Dreamweaver wrote: »The G13 lunar gold cape is better than the pack cape cuz its G13, can put josd's in it. And its barely more expensive. Maybe 75-80mil to buy the mats for it.
I worked it out. It's way more than 70-80 mil. Since no one bothers running anything but the BH path, the only tinders you can buy without chips are the ancient tinders. If you were to chip everything, the total cost comes out to around 130 million.0 -
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Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »I know it's been done to death, but would more people farm lunar glade if there was no entrance fee for squad mode? I find myself wanting to farm the "mantle of glow" cape. (I realize it's not as good as a wing trophy cape, but it's not bound and it's certainly more unique) However, with the current state of lunar, that cape is nigh impossible to farm, and far more expensive than a wing trophy cape.
Also, is it true that the venomancer Wygie only spawns in trophy mode now?
I persume, people who complain about the entrance fees are also "poor" with disposable coin ingame? I hate the 3m fees just like anybody else, but i can farm 3m in an hour or so. When I do lunar, i do a full run and take all the mats, because i am greedy. Let's just say the drop rate is horrible for tinders.
What i am interested in is finding out the wygies for mystics in lunar glade, at present they are not implemented, and that is super sad. Sins, psys, seekers, other useful classes left out as well. Makes it hard to farm these instances when you have alts from those classes and can't do wygie for 6 people in one go.0 -
Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »I know it's been done to death, but would more people farm lunar glade if there was no entrance fee for squad mode? I find myself wanting to farm the "mantle of glow" cape. (I realize it's not as good as a wing trophy cape, but it's not bound and it's certainly more unique) However, with the current state of lunar, that cape is nigh impossible to farm, and far more expensive than a wing trophy cape.
Also, is it true that the venomancer Wygie only spawns in trophy mode now?
think about it. if you make it more possible to farm, that cape wouldnt be so unique.
but i do agree the cost should be slightly lowered, and even reduce the rewards a bit, so that more people are willing to do it rather than have it as a useless dungeon that people dont even want to run on bh day.the loser fail nab cleric from dreamweaver who quit pwi, but still wanders the forums.0 -
What i am interested in is finding out the wygies for mystics in lunar glade, at present they are not implemented, and that is super sad. Sins, psys, seekers, other useful classes left out as well. Makes it hard to farm these instances when you have alts from those classes and can't do wygie for 6 people in one go.
As far as I know, the Wygies for these classes are the same like for the old classes. Something like Wygie for barb is for seeker too (don't quote me on that, i don't know which goes with which, really), but i didnt check myself.0 -
Well though yes there is a entrance fee of 3mil in the big scheme of things it isn't really a lot when two earth essences would pay for the fee alone. (On our server I think they are 2mil+ last I looked). Now you could dispute and say that's taking money out of your pocket you could've earned but think about it from the standpoint of this. Lunarglade gear isn't bound on equip so that alone makes it more valuable so the cost in theory of cost of value should be equal (so to speak) If you're looking at purely from a crafting cape standpoint. You could always run TrophyMode Lunarglade. Takes about 5mins a run with a decent squad and even if you had to pay a squad to take you (I charge only 3.5mil) that's less then the cost to buy it straight from a pack-made item.[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well though yes there is a entrance fee of 3mil in the big scheme of things it isn't really a lot when two earth essences would pay for the fee alone. (On our server I think they are 2mil+ last I looked). Now you could dispute and say that's taking money out of your pocket you could've earned but think about it from the standpoint of this. Lunarglade gear isn't bound on equip so that alone makes it more valuable so the cost in theory of cost of value should be equal (so to speak) If you're looking at purely from a crafting cape standpoint. You could always run TrophyMode Lunarglade. Takes about 5mins a run with a decent squad and even if you had to pay a squad to take you (I charge only 3.5mil) that's less then the cost to buy it straight from a pack-made item.
This post makes me sad.
Earth essences aren't worth anywhere near 2 mil on dreamweaver. The most expensive ones I see for sale are around 600k. As for trophy mode. I've only seen Trophy mode runs being offered once on dreamweaver. And the runners were charging 6 mil per run. Cheaper than a lunar wing trophy, yes, but it's not really "farming" anymore is it?I persume, people who complain about the entrance fees are also "poor" with disposable coin ingame? I hate the 3m fees just like anybody else, but i can farm 3m in an hour or so. When I do lunar, i do a full run and take all the mats, because i am greedy. Let's just say the drop rate is horrible for tinders.
It's not about being able to afford the entrance fee, or how "easy" it is to farm the 3 mil. It's about how the entrance fee affects the costs of the gear that can be acquired with the mats that drop there. The 3 mil entrance fee makes farming lunar gear more expensive than simply buying similar gear that has already been made. Or, in the case of the cape, a lunar glade wing trophy is far cheaper than the G13 channeling cape that can be crafted. All because of the entrance fee.
The fee also brings the problem of no one wanting to run lunar glade. The only path that gets taken is the BH path, so the only tinders available are ancient tinders. If you couldn't get them with chips, unknown tinder and chromatic tinder would be even harder to find than damascene ore.0 -
Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »This post makes me sad.
Earth essences aren't worth anywhere near 2 mil on dreamweaver. The most expensive ones I see for sale are around 600k. As for trophy mode. I've only seen Trophy mode runs being offered once on dreamweaver. And the runners were charging 6 mil per run. Cheaper than a lunar wing trophy, yes, but it's not really "farming" anymore is it?
Well tbh Last I looked it was a few months ago. For all I know it could've sunk under 1mil. But yes I can see where you're coming from but... the fact you can sell it when you're done with it or w/e makes it worth it still in my opinion. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've seen people QQ for unbinding charms and I'm sure would gladly pay like 40mil to resell their outdated expensive gear for example. Expensive runs :<. No it technically isn't farming I suppose. I sometimes will run farming lunars (mostly for the cardbosses to spawn more hammerfalls for amusement.).
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Solution is to run Lunar during 2x. Tinder droprates are much higher than, say, TT gold droprates so it's not hard to make your money back solely on tinders alone.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Solution is to run Lunar during 2x. Tinder droprates are much higher than, say, TT gold droprates so it's not hard to make your money back solely on tinders alone.
Not to pick on you personally. But this is the attitude of why almost no one does anything unless its x2.[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not to pick on you personally. But this is the attitude of why almost no one does anything unless its x2.
I mean, the OP can run it during non-2x. Droprate is still damn good (~23% for chromatic/ancient, ~43% for unknown). But with how concerned the OP is about the entrance fee, it'd probably be better for them to run it during 2x.
Can also do the card bosses/wygie bosses in there for more $$$ as well.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lunar works out fine mat-wise during 2x.
So really if they halved the entrance fee (1m even better) it would not be as bad.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Not to pick on you personally. But this is the attitude of why almost no one does anything unless its x2.
No other instance has an entry fee that significantly affects the profitability of the instance. On my server if you try to farm Lunar off of 2x you will likely lose money.
Also Earth Essence is just 400k or so here. The BH market really killed off the mat prices since people do Lunar just for the BH and are left with tons of surplus mats.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Solution is to run Lunar during 2x. Tinder droprates are much higher than, say, TT gold droprates so it's not hard to make your money back solely on tinders alone.
The issue isn't making money off the mats to cover the entrance fee, the issue is farming the mats to craft gear. The entrance fee kind of defeats the purpose of farming mats for gear when you need to cover that fee as well.0 -
I don't think OP was referring to profiting from running Lunar rather just getting mats from it and the cost was preventing more from doing so. And I see it as a fee to keep your end-game gear tradeable and unbound. Seems reasonable to me.Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »No other instance has an entry fee that significantly affects the profitability of the instance. On my server if you try to farm Lunar off of 2x you will likely lose money.
Also Earth Essence is just 400k or so here. The BH market really killed off the mat prices since people do Lunar just for the BH and are left with tons of surplus mats.[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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So you want to do an bh99 abaddon, you pay say 220k for wines, and each person ends up with 100k worth of drops and you get the bh done. 400k++
Say you go do lunar bh, pay 3 mil entrance fee, and then you can potentially get more back than your entrance fee. I've always thought going to lunar MADE you more money than it lost you, with the drops being able to sold.
Lunar prices have fallen a lot, reason is more people run lunar, figure out its not a money sink, and the market EQUALIZES.
So pretty much i think going to lunar bh is just as cheap as any other bh.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Man - Raging Tide wrote: »So you want to do an bh99 abaddon, you pay say 220k for wines, and each person ends up with 100k worth of drops and you get the bh done. 400k++
Say you go do lunar bh, pay 3 mil entrance fee, and then you can potentially get more back than your entrance fee. I've always thought going to lunar MADE you more money than it lost you, with the drops being able to sold.
Lunar prices have fallen a lot, reason is more people run lunar, figure out its not a money sink, and the market EQUALIZES.
So pretty much i think going to lunar bh is just as cheap as any other bh.
I think you missed the point of the thread. It's not about lunar BH, it's about farming lunar gear, and the prohibitive cost of the entrance fee making people not want to farm lunar for mats. Thus making said mats extremely difficult to find.
Edit: I still want to know why that entrance fee is there in the first place. I also really want to know where the venomancer wygie is.0 -
Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »I also really want to know where the venomancer wygie is.
Veno wygie is in third map of Lunar tm.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Veno wygie is in third map of Lunar tm.
^ Wizard's is also but on the second map of TM.[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »I think you missed the point of the thread. It's not about lunar BH, it's about farming lunar gear, and the prohibitive cost of the entrance fee making people not want to farm lunar for mats. Thus making said mats extremely difficult to find.
Edit: I still want to know why that entrance fee is there in the first place. I also really want to know where the venomancer wygie is.
1. Difficulty nerf + lunar rework
2. Desire for coin sink[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »Veno wygie is in third map of Lunar tm.
Well that's just disappointing. Looks like I'll never get to use my invitation.0 -
Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well that's just disappointing. Looks like I'll never get to use my invitation.
Blame the fact they made Lunar easy. It used to start on map 1 but now it starts on map 5. And gave 1-3 to TM. b:surrender[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »Blame the fact they made Lunar easy. It used to start on map 1 but now it starts on map 4. And gave 1-3 to TM. b:surrender
It starts on map 5 now, not map 4. Map 4 is the second map for Relic of Wind path.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »It starts on map 5 now, not map 4. Map 4 is the second map for Relic of Wind path.
Note to self: re-read posts more often before hitting post lol.[SIGPIC]http://i48.tinypic.com/2r61kw3.jpg[/SIGPIC]
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Farmed full AA Lunar Nirvy Set for wife. We paid 3m in about 7-8 runs (during 2x). Came out with 100m in mats. 3m fee is a falicy.BladedZero - Sanctuary
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Man - Raging Tide wrote: »So you want to do an bh99 abaddon, you pay say 220k for wines, and each person ends up with 100k worth of drops and you get the bh done. 400k++
Say you go do lunar bh, pay 3 mil entrance fee, and then you can potentially get more back than your entrance fee. I've always thought going to lunar MADE you more money than it lost you, with the drops being able to sold.
Lunar prices have fallen a lot, reason is more people run lunar, figure out its not a money sink, and the market EQUALIZES.
So pretty much i think going to lunar bh is just as cheap as any other bh.
The issue *wasn't* "Lunar BH is too costly to run". The topic is "Lunar squad mode is too costly to *farm*.
If you're farming for mats, you aren't selling them to pay your entrance fee.
You are saving them, to make lunar gear. And if you have that much coin to run that many 3M lunar runs, you already have the coin to buy the pack item, or to chip the mats.
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Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »3m fee is a falicy.
You must pay 3M in order to open the instance. Fact, not "fallacy".
You are not guaranteed mats. Fact, not "fallacy".
We are not always in 2x drops. Fact, not "fallacy".
You farmed for mats for gear. You used those mats to make gear - you did not sell them for "100M". Therefore, you paid 3M 7-8 times for mats that you consumed.
Would you rather have paid 1m per run?A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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