To Recast, or not to Recast?

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  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I wouldn't worry about GoF it's only 5% more probability to go off. That's not worth that many raptures.

    Like 5%, meaning its a 10% chance to zerk as SS is only 5%?
    And like I said either or would be perfect since I dont mind zerking.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Deago - Lost City wrote: »
    Like 5%, meaning its a 10% chance to zerk as SS is only 5%?
    And like I said either or would be perfect since I dont mind zerking.

    SS = 15% GoF = 20%
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  • Subtraction - Harshlands
    Subtraction - Harshlands Posts: 690 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    SS = 15% GoF = 20%

    i thought the specific % of ss/gof weren't available?
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Subtraction - Harshlands wrote: »
    i thought the specific % of ss/gof weren't available?

    I've done 2000 hit test in TT with SS and GoF on different types of weapons. If it's not that I'll give you a million bucks.
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  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    SS = 15% GoF = 20%

    Ahh so its not that big of a change really either or are good thanks
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Deago - Lost City wrote: »
    Ahh so its not that big of a change really either or are good thanks

    5% is still a 33% increase and that can be a big deal if you have a lot of critical hit. I have 22% critical hit along with 20% proc rate (r9 axe) on top of the 30 attack levels. I GoF critical hit every 23 hits (average). It will be much much less for you. I'm 1.54 with windshield and when my r8r is done I'll be at 1.67 (crazy 2 -int roll) could be 1.82 (2.0 if demon). With that kind of APS 23 hits is much more often then it sounds. Between the proc and the critical hits, I do double damage most of the time, and with my APS build that can really be a problem for people in TW. In terms of PvE, as long as I have BP I can go through pretty much any BH without worrying about my charm ticking.
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  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    5% is still a 33% increase and that can be a big deal if you have a lot of critical hit. I have 22% critical hit along with 20% proc rate (r9 axe) on top of the 30 attack levels. I GoF critical hit every 23 hits (average). It will be much much less for you. I'm 1.54 with windshield and when my r8r is done I'll be at 1.67 (crazy 2 -int roll) could be 1.82 (2.0 if demon). With that kind of APS 23 hits is much more often then it sounds. Between the proc and the critical hits, I do double damage most of the time, and with my APS build that can really be a problem for people in TW. In terms of PvE, as long as I have BP I can go through pretty much any BH without worrying about my charm ticking.

    Well i have 23% crit hit rate plus i am doing about 1.05 attacks for axes, for this reason i do not use my tome so i would be doing a little less zerks then you but i would be doing a fair amount this is for the same reason im claw as well.
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I personally for a cata barb like the idea of full Lunar Nirvy second cast... The defenses and defense levels are great, however with full R8 recast you get more options on the helm and cape, whereas with Nirvana it's required to use the same ones for full set bonus, also, nirvy has set adds, whereas with R8 you can get better OR you can get worse adds. Want security in adds go Nirvy, want to gamble with them, or have a LOT of coin to reforge multiple go R8. But either way I recommend full.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I personally for a cata barb like the idea of full Lunar Nirvy second cast... The defenses and defense levels are great, however with full R8 recast you get more options on the helm and cape, whereas with Nirvana it's required to use the same ones for full set bonus, also, nirvy has set adds, whereas with R8 you can get better OR you can get worse adds. Want security in adds go Nirvy, want to gamble with them, or have a LOT of coin to reforge multiple go R8. But either way I recommend full.

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  • Precept - Lost City
    Precept - Lost City Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Geshwur - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I personally for a cata barb like the idea of full Lunar Nirvy second cast... The defenses and defense levels are great, however with full R8 recast you get more options on the helm and cape, whereas with Nirvana it's required to use the same ones for full set bonus, also, nirvy has set adds, whereas with R8 you can get better OR you can get worse adds. Want security in adds go Nirvy, want to gamble with them, or have a LOT of coin to reforge multiple go R8. But either way I recommend full.

    If by reliable adds you mean really good adds (Save APS on legs/ wrists) then I agree. All the pieces add 10 vit, 10 str or 180 hp. R8 recast would take more than it costs to buy R9 in mats to recast to get a full set of comparable gear; And even then? The set mods aren't very good, at least Nirvana set mods are useable.

    That being said, most barbs I see are sporting R8 weapon and +2-4 gear, so I guess the argument is pointless, since 90% of them will never be useful for, really, anything but buffing.
  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    If by reliable adds you mean really good adds (Save APS on legs/ wrists) then I agree. All the pieces add 10 vit, 10 str or 180 hp. R8 recast would take more than it costs to buy R9 in mats to recast to get a full set of comparable gear; And even then? The set mods aren't very good, at least Nirvana set mods are useable.

    That being said, most barbs I see are sporting R8 weapon and +2-4 gear, so I guess the argument is pointless, since 90% of them will never be useful for, really, anything but buffing.

    I will have you know that not every person spends money on this game, and most farm to be able to acquire the things they need. This stating that +2-4 barb is probably trying to farm better gears or more refines. So this being said we are not only good for buffs but we have some really great damage as well has the barbs who decide to go fist/claw.
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  • Precept - Lost City
    Precept - Lost City Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Took me 2 weeks farm my 7 pieces of second cast gear and +5 it. +7 axes took me another day. In the 4 weeks my barb has been 100 I farmed him +10 axes and +7 armor.

    Sure, they're farming to refine their gear. At the pace I see these people going? I'd be amazed if they were ever competitive.
  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    Took me 2 weeks farm my 7 pieces of second cast gear and +5 it. +7 axes took me another day. In the 4 weeks my barb has been 100 I farmed him +10 axes and +7 armor.

    Sure, they're farming to refine their gear. At the pace I see these people going? I'd be amazed if they were ever competitive.

    Well not everyone sits on their *** for 2 weeks and farms, people have lives.
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  • Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    Took me 2 weeks farm my 7 pieces of second cast gear and +5 it. +7 axes took me another day. In the 4 weeks my barb has been 100 I farmed him +10 axes and +7 armor.

    Sure, they're farming to refine their gear. At the pace I see these people going? I'd be amazed if they were ever competitive.

    fascinating... tell me more about it...
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  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    Took me 2 weeks farm my 7 pieces of second cast gear and +5 it. +7 axes took me another day. In the 4 weeks my barb has been 100 I farmed him +10 axes and +7 armor.

    Sure, they're farming to refine their gear. At the pace I see these people going? I'd be amazed if they were ever competitive.

    Were talking bout 2nd recast nirvana? 250raps a day = bs, unless you "farmed" catshops.
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  • Precept - Lost City
    Precept - Lost City Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Deago - Lost City wrote: »
    Well not everyone sits on their *** for 2 weeks and farms, people have lives.

    I don't get the joke? How is 1500 uncannys and 250 raps in two weeks no-lifeing? That's an average of like 108 uncannies a day? Of course, that's not accounting any merchanting. I did 10 runs a day for two weeks, feel free to call that no-lifeing if you wish, but it totals maybe two hours of farming a day; I guess you must just sleep for 22 hours every time you go to bed.
  • Deago - Lost City
    Deago - Lost City Posts: 318 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't get the joke? How is 1500 uncannys and 250 raps in two weeks no-lifeing? That's an average of like 108 uncannies a day? Of course, that's not accounting any merchanting. I did 10 runs a day for two weeks, feel free to call that no-lifeing if you wish, but it totals maybe two hours of farming a day; I guess you must just sleep for 22 hours every time you go to bed.

    If you truly must know i only sleep for about 5-6 hours a day, seeing as i work nights and i work with special needs on my days off. Then Im with my family and wife when i have other free time, so yeah i would call that sitting on your ***
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    If by reliable adds you mean really good adds (Save APS on legs/ wrists) then I agree. All the pieces add 10 vit, 10 str or 180 hp. R8 recast would take more than it costs to buy R9 in mats to recast to get a full set of comparable gear; And even then? The set mods aren't very good, at least Nirvana set mods are useable.

    That being said, most barbs I see are sporting R8 weapon and +2-4 gear, so I guess the argument is pointless, since 90% of them will never be useful for, really, anything but buffing.

    From scratch to G15. That's 250 raptures + 5 re-rolls (35 more); 285 raptures in 1 day. We'll assume you just get all the drops from every run and you have a 99 key for each run. That's roughly 10 raptures per run. You'll need 26 runs to reach 285. That's about 3 1/2 hours worth of runs assume you're going to do it with 4+ people and they will donate everything along with 99 key. This is 7 minutes or so a run. If you duo'd that time is doubled to 7 hours. If any piece goes missing from this and others get a split that goes up another double. I don't think you have that many 99 keys either, so it looking pretty grim for your statement.
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  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't get the joke? How is 1500 uncannys and 250 raps in two weeks no-lifeing? That's an average of like 108 uncannies a day? Of course, that's not accounting any merchanting. I did 10 runs a day for two weeks, feel free to call that no-lifeing if you wish, but it totals maybe two hours of farming a day; I guess you must just sleep for 22 hours every time you go to bed.

    108 cannies a day. And you say you did 10 runs a day. 10.8 cannies a run? I call that bs, even if you solo`d the instance.
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    saxroll wrote: »
    108 cannies a day. And you say you did 10 runs a day. 10.8 cannies a run? I call that bs, even if you solo`d the instance.

    iron: 35%
    bronze: 50%
    silver: 60%
    gold: 75%

    final boss: 84% unc, 56% rap = 5unc

    so total in 100 runs: 584 so in 10 58.4
    2x so 116 per 10 runs

    108 sounds reasonable for solo....
    (mirages and rest might pay the keys, dunno)
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    iron: 35%
    bronze: 50%
    silver: 60%
    gold: 75%

    final boss: 84% unc, 56% rap = 5unc

    so total in 100 runs: 584 so in 10 58.4
    2x so 116 per 10 runs

    108 sounds reasonable for solo....
    (mirages and rest might pay the keys, dunno)

    The problem with solo is time. Takes about 20 minutes per run for a good sin, maybe 15 minutes for a very good sin. He said he got axes in 1 day. That's 25-26 runs just himself? Not going to happen.
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  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    iron: 35%
    bronze: 50%
    silver: 60%
    gold: 75%

    final boss: 84% unc, 56% rap = 5unc

    so total in 100 runs: 584 so in 10 58.4
    2x so 116 per 10 runs

    108 sounds reasonable for solo....
    (mirages and rest might pay the keys, dunno)

    Oh, I assumed due the date of this discussion that it was during normal drops. And still, I dont really consider soloing vana as reasonable exuse to call ppl whom cant/are unwilling to do it as fail. And I really doubt mirages/etc. would cover expenses of openers. In theory what he claims is doable as high aps sin but I heavily doubt it`s the reality.
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  • Wreck - Harshlands
    Wreck - Harshlands Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The problem with solo is time. Takes about 20 minutes per run for a good sin, maybe 15 minutes for a very good sin. He said he got axes in 1 day. That's 25-26 runs just himself? Not going to happen.

    I didn't say I got my axes in a day, read it carefully; I got SEVEN pieces of second cast in 2 weeks, so unless there's a mystical seventh piece of armor I've never heard of, that means 6 armor pieces and one set of axes. Regardless, this game of trying to discredit me is wildly off topic.

    Edit: My sin is sage, 3.33APS with R9, I can start posting on Notion if you like. The reality is I two man with friends, so after I finished my axes they took the raptures and gave me the majority of the uncannies. This was done largely to gear out a cata puller for our guild, since I'm sure you'll all throw a hissy fit over why they did that.
  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Wreck - Harshlands wrote: »
    I didn't say I got my axes in a day, read it carefully; I got SEVEN pieces of second cast in 2 weeks, so unless there's a mystical seventh piece of armor I've never heard of, that means 6 armor pieces and one set of axes. Regardless, this game of trying to discredit me is wildly off topic.

    Edit: My sin is sage, 3.33APS with R9, I can start posting on Notion if you like. The reality is I two man with friends, so after I finished my axes they took the raptures and gave me the majority of the uncannies. This was done largely to gear out a cata puller for our guild, since I'm sure you'll all throw a hissy fit over why they did that.

    So basically you got toon that is worth 2k USD, discounting possible super sales. And you also had serious help from friends/faction. Now, why on earth would we consider your example completely ridiculous when comparing it to barbs farming their gear?
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Wreck - Harshlands wrote: »
    I didn't say I got my axes in a day, read it carefully; I got SEVEN pieces of second cast in 2 weeks, so unless there's a mystical seventh piece of armor I've never heard of, that means 6 armor pieces and one set of axes. Regardless, this game of trying to discredit me is wildly off topic.

    Edit: My sin is sage, 3.33APS with R9, I can start posting on Notion if you like. The reality is I two man with friends, so after I finished my axes they took the raptures and gave me the majority of the uncannies. This was done largely to gear out a cata puller for our guild, since I'm sure you'll all throw a hissy fit over why they did that.

    Forgetting your own lies so fast?
    Precept - Lost City wrote: »
    Took me 2 weeks farm my 7 pieces of second cast gear and +5 it. +7 axes took me another day. In the 4 weeks my barb has been 100 I farmed him +10 axes and +7 armor.

    Sure, they're farming to refine their gear. At the pace I see these people going? I'd be amazed if they were ever competitive.
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  • Wreck - Harshlands
    Wreck - Harshlands Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Are you that ****ing stupid? Read the first line and think about it. SEVEN PIECES OF SECOND CAST, there are SIX PIECES OF ARMOR. Good work calling me a liar and quoting exactly what I told you I said.

    I wouldn't really call it major help, so much as having friends who actually help each other selflessly, but call it what you will, it doesn't matter.
  • keihan007#7641
    keihan007#7641 Posts: 1,190 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Wreck - Harshlands wrote: »
    Are you that ****ing stupid? Read the first line and think about it. SEVEN PIECES OF SECOND CAST, there are SIX PIECES OF ARMOR. Good work calling me a liar and quoting exactly what I told you I said.

    I wouldn't really call it major help, so much as having friends who actually help each other selflessly, but call it what you will, it doesn't matter.

    Actually you clearly said you farmed your axes in a day. You can obviously of given that image by accident but that again is your fault, not others whom cant guess what you meant. Calling getting most of the drops(to gear catabarb) nothing but major help is quite an interesting opinion.

    To put in real perspective. A) Not every barb pulls cata nor does every faction need or gear a catabarb. B) You got 2k USD toon to farm with, comparing it`s farming abilities to those of barbs farming for their own gear - It`s one distinctive difference. C) Unless you are helping your friends the samer in return, you are leeching, thus one should consider individual farming speed as getting help and help should somewhat balance each other out.
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  • Wreck - Harshlands
    Wreck - Harshlands Posts: 380 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Okay, anyone want to get the umadbro in now? Because I am, I feel like you two are a couple of butt hurt, mentally challenged, forum warriors. I CLEARLY said seven pieces of second cast, lets count:

    1 Cascade Glow Helmet
    2 Cascade Glow Armor
    3 Cascade Glow Greaves
    4 Cascade Glow Boots
    5 Cascade Glow Sleeves
    6 Cascade Glow (The cape)

    How, in your minds, does that amount to SEVEN? I said +7 axes to signify that I refined those up, pretty sure everyone else got that.

    If you two ******* think me saying another set of +7 axes took me a day then CLEARLY after that I said I farmed a third set of axes to +10 and another full set of armor to +7. So according to you two I'm running around with 750 raps worth of axes and 3000 uncannies worth of armor. That makes a lot of ****ing sense, now doesn't it?

    Regarding me saying that's not a lot of help, why don't you go ask HerbertJones how long it took to get his full R9 armor? His second cast CV bow? Calestine's Revenge + Interval claws? I said I farmed with friends for a reason, we help each other. Clearly no one else in this god forsaken game does since it's such a foreign idea to you.

    Use some common sense, I mean really, just think for once.
  • ItsAWolf - Archosaur
    ItsAWolf - Archosaur Posts: 464 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Wreck - Harshlands wrote: »
    Okay, anyone want to get the umadbro in now? Because I am, I feel like you two are a couple of butt hurt, mentally challenged, forum warriors. I CLEARLY said seven pieces of second cast, lets count:

    1 Cascade Glow Helmet
    2 Cascade Glow Armor
    3 Cascade Glow Greaves
    4 Cascade Glow Boots
    5 Cascade Glow Sleeves
    6 Cascade Glow (The cape)

    How, in your minds, does that amount to SEVEN? I said +7 axes to signify that I refined those up, pretty sure everyone else got that.

    If you two ******* think me saying another set of +7 axes took me a day then CLEARLY after that I said I farmed a third set of axes to +10 and another full set of armor to +7. So according to you two I'm running around with 750 raps worth of axes and 3000 uncannies worth of armor. That makes a lot of ****ing sense, now doesn't it?

    Regarding me saying that's not a lot of help, why don't you go ask HerbertJones how long it took to get his full R9 armor? His second cast CV bow? Calestine's Revenge + Interval claws? I said I farmed with friends for a reason, we help each other. Clearly no one else in this god forsaken game does since it's such a foreign idea to you.

    Use some common sense, I mean really, just think for once.

    This is about barbs that are geared as followed:
    That being said, most barbs I see are sporting R8 weapon and +2-4 gear, so I guess the argument is pointless, since 90% of them will never be useful for, really, anything but buffing.

    Which means they don't have an r9 sin in their back pocket to run nirvana with, they are most likely not even getting into a nirvana squad at all. Yet you claim that it's oh so easy to farm full nirvy +5 or whatever gear, that's why people are having a problem with your comments.
  • Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear
    Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 384 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    why would a person cash-shop a R9 sin to farm nirvana stuff for his barb?
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