Squad Build and class usefulness

Tanking Barbs are the best i think for ClawBarbarian i will say u can run nirvy with a average aps squad . But if u are good tanking barb,with good game-play u are even welcome in high aps nirvana squads etc , and ofc u can tank TT 3x tier ,delta easily as well.Thanks Regards b:victory

as much as i hate myself for saying this, pure vit barbs are ignored a lot after 100, untill then its the only way to go, but unless you are a tw barb, most people want claw barbs with the hp of a vit barb. so my friend you have a hard path in front of you. there are still times when a normal vit barb is good, bh metal, deltas have finally made a come back, and a few fccs. But either way barb is still the most expensive class in my eyes and the hardest to build right. if you want alot of game play get your hp and aps up (but only after 100 >.> aps before 100 unless ur a archer is just dumb and makes you look silly), or join a tw faction and just work on the livin part. and make a alt for aps

As for your wife, herc is dead, just a expensive background pet now, a puller still yeah, but venos have started to step up a bit as support again exp in caster nirvana, there is plenty to purge, amp and send tons of chi out for them. She will also have a much easier time when it comes to double drops when everyone farms nirvana like crazy, though i suggest getting that demon or sage amp soon.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

As for your wife, the class is almost as dead as wizards are lately. After the nerf of them (to balance out the pet advantage) veno's became more of a support role again with their debuffs and amps as Amsel said.

I wasn't aware of any nerf. Explain. b:surrender

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I wasn't aware of any nerf. Explain. b:surrender

They lowered the damage output of venos by a small amount uhh... I think around or before the tideborn expansion. Kinda like they lowered the damage output if your aps is over 4aps.

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I ran through the patch notes from the opening of dreamweaver and harshlands all the way up to the release of hyper exp stones. There's no mention of such a nerf. Also, my skills are the same as they've ever been. Are you sure you're not just spinning the rumor mill?

I could be wrong. I'll admit that. I just trust what a ton of my friends had told me about their damage being nerfed. (They've been playing/used to play for a long time.) (I thought it was like a 5% reduction or something.)

Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »

Fixed it for ya. o.o

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Attack Speed changes
Once a player surpasses 4.0 attack speed, whether passively or via a buff, they will incur a -5% damage penalty as well as a -20% accuracy penalty.

Which funnily only hurts Claw Barbs and Archers.

Barbs because of their low accuracy to begin with and Archers which makes their low damage even lower.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

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Attack Speed changes
Once a player surpasses 4.0 attack speed, whether passively or via a buff, they will incur a -5% damage penalty as well as a -20% accuracy penalty.

Which funnily only hurts Claw Barbs and Archers.

Barbs because of their low accuracy to begin with and Archers which makes their low damage even lower.

It doesn't affect claw barbs unless you were to use APS in PvP. Claw barbs will always open with a devour and thus hit 100% of the time.

ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »

It doesn't affect claw barbs unless you were to use APS in PvP. Claw barbs will always open with a devour and thus hit 100% of the time.

I seem to be confused by the part in red. I don't have demon or sage devour and no where in the description on ecatomb does it say 100% accuracy for X time. Where do you see this or is this like the extra 2% crit demon archers get from wearing natural elven wings (a glitched bonus if you will)

Only thing I can think of is using bloodbath since it wont matter in PvE much.

Man - Raging Tide wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/l6Wo6.png

Ill wager you had a seeker duel a BM and QPQ the HF and other debuffs onto your mob as you attacked it. :>

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Any skill or ability that modifies the physical defense of a monster also sets that monster's evasion to zero. I don't know why, but this is why I can melee as a pure magic veno, and why my herc winds up with zero evasion after using strong.

Well in the case of the strong buff for pets that is how it's inteneded to be, but now that you mention what happens with other spells on mobs I think I can see that in game, though admitedly I've never paid attention.

However the 4-5 aps nerf makes 20% or 1 in 5 attacks miss outside of what could be considered normal damage calculation. What Geno has said is that you don't even see the miss, it just happens which means debuffed or you are still missing. The nerf means next to nothing for normal attacks, but what pisses me off about it on my 4 aps base sage sin is when it causes a skill to "miss" like tackling slash misses now without ever getting a miss notation b:angry makes taking on runners annoying sometimes when the skill randomly doesn't work.

KawaiiJen - Heavens Tear wrote: »

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Attack Speed changes
Once a player surpasses 4.0 attack speed, whether passively or via a buff, they will incur a -5% damage penalty as well as a -20% accuracy penalty.

Which funnily only hurts Claw Barbs and Archers.

Barbs because of their low accuracy to begin with and Archers which makes their low damage even lower.

This is absolutely incorrect about the barb. For instance unbuffed claw barb has accuracy of 2288, unbuffed BM Accuracy of 2453. These are two of mine for example both lvl 101. The rummer I have heard lately is if you spark from 3.33 there is no affect, and truthfully I am not seeing any effect. As for the barb. it reduces the evasion by 50% of its target, as well barbs can increase there accuracy by 300% . So that accuaracy 2288 has now become 8528. Stack on top of this that the claw barb also gets upto 65% crit rate and its a stream of damage. So there is no noticeable affect on a barb that i have noted.