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NeoTundra - Dreamweaver
NeoTundra - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
edited May 2012 in Assassin
ok so i got healing trance....as we all know it was a poorly thought out skill to make. psychics can heal themselves in battle wile dealing massive damage. archers are good at dps and even though then get a skill that only gives evasion for a little atleast thats something, its better then standing still waisting mp not attacking and just getting crushed and waisting coin in a comatose state. and the other lvl 79 skill for a sin is a waste also...we have rib strike...even before demon/sage it does better then our condenced thorn. thats 2 very useless 79 skills i would have rather never had even brought into the game because of just how much of a waist they r. id say condenced thorn should add a status effect making rib strike either hit more or to also increse the defense of the assasin wen using ribstrike, and since i phsycic is the same family as a sin and can heal itself wile moving and fight....would be nice to have that insted since an assasin is so squishy.

im not trolling or anything, just want this recognised because looking at alot of skills gained 80+ are seaming like a waste of time to me since i would do just fine with what i have and only changing like 2-4 skills into demon. just saying that if this was reworked a little more it would be nice.

its not like im asking bloodpaint to give back like 10% or anything...just asking for skills that can actually be used when helping out people or just trying to enjoy the game in some spare time.
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  • DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver
    DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,396 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Not sure if serious b:avoid

    If you want heals, get a cleric or mystic, or heck even a psy or wizard, to come with you on runs if bloodpaint doesn't cut it.

    demon/sage rib strike is bad enough as it is, imo, so adding a status effect to condensed thorn when using rib strike is just asking to be more OP, because of the stated fact above being demon/sage ribstrike is already bad as it is.

    Where as I do agree condensed thorn is pretty much useless, because you could easily just get a wizard to cast frostblade on you which lasts longer.

    I find myself using healing trance every now and then (in cube rooms 90 second stand) it's a good skill to use for example, granted you kill mobs first -> get into a corner and start healing and don't get a mob aggro'd on you where it CAN interrupt it.

    Also I don't get why you are saying psy's can heal themselves while moving and fighting, because last time I checked they only have 1 healing skill (not taking in account the new morai skill which isn't in game yet(?)) which
    A.) can not be spammed due to cooldown
    B.) takes a bit to cast hence you can't move
    --> but I guess you mean the heal over time that comes with it
    C.) you can't attack while casting the heal

    The point saying psy and sin are the same family is like saying seekers should get healing skills as well because mystics can do that as well.

    Therefore wizard should be able to cast HF, because BM's can, and so on.

    Sins are fine/OP the way they are if played correctly, like I said at the start if bloodpaint doesn't cut it then don't solo the instance and get people to come with you, which can result in having more fun as well while helping out people.
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  • _Skai_ - Raging Tide
    _Skai_ - Raging Tide Posts: 3,407 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    ok so i got healing trance....as we all know it was a poorly thought out skill to make. psychics can heal themselves in battle wile dealing massive damage. ---

    Stopped reading here. Bloodpaint is more than enough as a constant healing skill for a sin while attacking.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Stopped reading here. Bloodpaint is more than enough as a constant healing skill for a sin while attacking.

    When the OP gets Blood Frenzy, I bet he's going to QQ about it overriding Bloodpaint.
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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    The reason devs gave sins Condensed Thorn was so that we could still use our skill effects on mobs or players with physical immunity.

    It's not meant to deal heavy damage. It's more of a situational skill. b:surrender
  • NeoTundra - Dreamweaver
    NeoTundra - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Not sure if serious b:avoid

    If you want heals, get a cleric or mystic, or heck even a psy or wizard, to come with you on runs if bloodpaint doesn't cut it.

    demon/sage rib strike is bad enough as it is, imo, so adding a status effect to condensed thorn when using rib strike is just asking to be more OP, because of the stated fact above being demon/sage ribstrike is already bad as it is.

    Where as I do agree condensed thorn is pretty much useless, because you could easily just get a wizard to cast frostblade on you which lasts longer.

    I find myself using healing trance every now and then (in cube rooms 90 second stand) it's a good skill to use for example, granted you kill mobs first -> get into a corner and start healing and don't get a mob aggro'd on you where it CAN interrupt it.

    Also I don't get why you are saying psy's can heal themselves while moving and fighting, because last time I checked they only have 1 healing skill (not taking in account the new morai skill which isn't in game yet(?)) which
    A.) can not be spammed due to cooldown
    B.) takes a bit to cast hence you can't move
    --> but I guess you mean the heal over time that comes with it
    C.) you can't attack while casting the heal

    The point saying psy and sin are the same family is like saying seekers should get healing skills as well because mystics can do that as well.

    Therefore wizard should be able to cast HF, because BM's can, and so on.

    Sins are fine/OP the way they are if played correctly, like I said at the start if bloodpaint doesn't cut it then don't solo the instance and get people to come with you, which can result in having more fun as well while helping out people.

    the thing about the family was sins have a heal and phsycics have a heal, im not asking for a completly new skill to be introduced into a family, just that both members have the same heal.
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    just that both members have the same heal.

    Sure, have fun with your new m.attk-based heal, then. b:chuckle
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  • Typhyse - Sanctuary
    Typhyse - Sanctuary Posts: 3,469 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    the thing about the family was sins have a heal and phsycics have a heal, im not asking for a completly new skill to be introduced into a family, just that both members have the same heal.
    This game doesn't have racials, so your "same family" argument is invalid.
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  • Azizsixer - Raging Tide
    Azizsixer - Raging Tide Posts: 249 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Hmmm....I seem to remember some buff that fish have that fills their hp back up almost instantly in between boss hits...what was that skill? You knw the hax one that makes everything solo'able without heals?

    oh...right...bloodpaint -_-
  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    i say we give seekers mystic heals b:avoid

    and psys stealth. and wizzies roar. and clerics...um, they already have bow skills b:avoid
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  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    i say we give seekers mystic heals b:avoid

    and psys stealth. and wizzies roar. and clerics...um, they already have bow skills b:avoid

    You forgot the Cleric heals that should be given to the archers.


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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    psychics can heal themselves in battle wile dealing massive damage.

    Bp and sunder are the only way to deal damage and heal at the same time at my knowledge
    archers are good at dps and even though then get a skill that only gives evasion for a little atleast thats something,

    Sins have buffs to even evade magic attacks and debuffs
    and the other lvl 79 skill for a sin is a waste also...we have rib strike...even before demon/sage it does better then our condenced thorn. thats 2 very useless 79 skills i would have rather never had even brought into the game because of just how much of a waist they r.

    Yeah, psy's have an super-duper flyspeed buff b:dirty
    since an assasin is so squishy.

    Sins are a bit squishy at start but not more then the other non-armor classes. Those lvls you get plenty off free hp pots that sell for 0 anyway. Just use them.

    At the end, sins aren't squishy at all. My sin is thougher selfbuffed then my bm with cleric behind him in bb.
    its not like im asking bloodpaint to give back like 10% or anything...

    You are aware that for many lvl100s, just 2% is enough to get more heal per second then they even have hp, right ?
  • CritCat - Archosaur
    CritCat - Archosaur Posts: 608 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    lol, like petitions do anything
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    lol, like petitions do anything

    Sadly that
  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    When the OP gets Blood Frenzy, I bet he's going to QQ about it overriding Bloodpaint.

    I know :( Such a QQworthy topic... Blood Frenzy is so useless. QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ *crybitchmoan* It's almost as bad as demon-spark pulling me out of stealth D=





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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    *crybitchmoan*
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  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    the other lvl 79 skill for a sin is a waste also...we have rib strike...even before demon/sage it does better then our condenced thorn.
    ..... I can not count on one hand how many uses for condensed thorn there are... I'm sure you've probably never heard of the genie skill expel, but when combined these two skills can save your life, AND provide excellent control.
    since an assasin is so squishy.
    This is the reason I'm basing my previous answer on PvP... Cause PvE Sins are NOT squishy... -.-
    im not trolling or anything
    Also, good trolls don't say they aren't trolling, and this post is much to fail not to be a troll.
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  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I Like Healing Trance.. i dont always throw a pot, so i throw my skill, no?

    Condense thorn is useless for me, yea.. i never really pvp or pk but in terms of using subsea strike in trials on the phy immune statue (trial 2~4 somewhere there) its pretty good for.

    healing while attacking? mhm Bloodpaint, cleric, psychic, wizzard, mystic, using a pot.. decide..
  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I Like Healing Trance.. i dont always throw a pot, so i throw my skill, no?

    Condense thorn is useless for me, yea.. i never really pvp or pk but in terms of using subsea strike in trials on the phy immune statue (trial 2~4 somewhere there) its pretty good for.

    healing while attacking? mhm Bloodpaint, cleric, psychic, wizzard, mystic, using a pot.. decide..

    Condensed Thorn has uses PvE too... x.x But THAT my friends is a trade secret.
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  • Burgenstein - Harshlands
    Burgenstein - Harshlands Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Both 79 sin skills are very useful. healing trance for cube/ general healing to save pots.

    No one (as far as i know) has mentioned on this thread how useful condensed thorn is in pvp.

    Against a HA class such as a barb or bm, you deal 200-300 more dmg a hit more with an average weap (r8 +5 say) using condensed, even more if the bm has phys marrow.

    Also, if you fight someone and they use expel, you can still deal damage to them using condensed thorn.
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    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012

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    edited May 2012
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    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012

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    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
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    Why do I feel like this is a zombie apocalypse and paulrogers and I are the only humans left :o

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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited May 2012

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