H&T Vs FCC Gold

YenSena - Sanctuary
YenSena - Sanctuary Posts: 28 Arc User
edited May 2012 in Assassin
Looking for advices b:cute

Since FCC Gold daggers(Ghost Cry something) are so cheap(As low as 3M on my Server),I was considering to get those instead of the well-known Hook and Thorns.

My question is, how comparable are these two weapons?(And why FCC gold its so unpopular despite being so cheap?)
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  • VenusArmani - Dreamweaver
    VenusArmani - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,009 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Hook and Thorns has -int which will increase your DPS and APS over the other daggers. Personally, I went for the Hooks until 95 and then +4 the morai daggers and switched to those. Which are better if you don't PK. Once you get to 2.0/2.22 they both spark to 2.86 so the extra int on hooks is useless. Besides that, you can then sell the hooks for more which will help you make a dent towards your TT99 gear. Which is the next major expense you'll be looking at after that. I would suggest you do trophy mode 69/79 at this point as well, so that you can get a good cheap -int cape until you can replace it with a better one.
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  • YenSena - Sanctuary
    YenSena - Sanctuary Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    My Sin(lv.85) have almost no -Int gear.

    So the difference would be only 1.43 (h&t) vs 1.33 (FCC)
    Not even to mention that he is NOT going to be Demon(So no extra aps from spark).

    Still worth it?
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    dont the fcc gold dags add a ridic amount of dex?
  • Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver Posts: 441 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    dont the fcc gold dags add a ridic amount of dex?

    think its 36 or 38 + the proc faith
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    think its 36 or 38 + the proc faith

    faith sounds nice
  • YenSena - Sanctuary
    YenSena - Sanctuary Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Yes they have a considerable amount of + dex plus faith( Has a chance to recover 5% HP and increase both physical defence and magic defence.), plus they're 2 grade above H&T (10 vs 12),that's slightly better refines.
    On top of all,at the current prices,they cost almost the same.

    I made the mistake to (not) get cheap -int cape in 60-80 range and with my current founds I'll probably won't be able to afford any for a while(I don't see on my server any TM79 squads), so I'll stick with very low interval(-0,05 from Rank Armor plus -0,10 from bracers at 90, don't wanna spend my limited money on TT80gold bracers).

    Based on such low interval, won't FCC daggers be a better alternative?
  • Kalish - Lost City
    Kalish - Lost City Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Considering you said you had low funds then assuming a fairly standard cheap build at 85 (3* purples/quest rewards/attendance ring/TT70 etc - 1.43 H&T, 1.34 GC) the H&T will slightly (like 30 or so) out dps the Ghost Cry even with low aps at +3 refine. Your choice comes down to how much you value the Faith proc.

    At 90 with -0.1 int from 90 bracers (1.67 H&T, 1.54 GC) the dps difference does start to go more and more in favour of the H&T though, although not by a great deal (up to about 100 dps difference - or 700 or so sparked).
  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    YenSena - Sanctuary wrote: »
    My question is, how comparable are these two weapons?(And why FCC gold its so unpopular despite being so cheap?)

    H&T has the "dps advantage" that is more or less important depending on your gear, but honestly the difference isn't really much. Imo, both weapons are good choices. Personally, I never got H&T and used the lvl80 mold then got Ghost Cry.

    The main reasons to go H&T :
    - they have -int which will make you look pro even if in the 80s the possible amount is to low to make a real difference. But if you plan on putting on decent refines/gems/sockets, the -int will matter a little more in the 90s.
    - they are useable at lvl80, so that gives a slight lvl advantage of getting a better weapon a bit earlier.

    The main reasons to go Ghost Cry :
    - they have pinkish-glowing balls, look better then H&T and match my fashion b:cute
    - faith proc is really awesome.
    - they are likely to have a better dph and an extra crit. This is not 100% true though. They start at about the same dph (H&T having a +attack add) but Ghost Cry refines a little better and has more +dex. However, adding a 2nd socket on H&T is way cheaper which makes the usual H&T dph compaired to the usual Ghost Cry dph about equal.
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    At +5 I think Ghost Crys out DPS Hooks. (Hooks honestly refine like absolute ****)
  • ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear
    ImNotFeelnIt - Heavens Tear Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    I had both - hooks for bosses and Frost for TW/PK/max damage per hit. Another % crit and the extra damage @ the same refine made it a toss up. Of course, I'm sage so I didn't have squat for aps then anyway.

    I have *some* aps now, and have a similar setup - +6 nirv dags for aps/bosses (darn close to permaspark) and +10 R8 dags for TW (3.33 nirvy vs 2.50 r8). I *hit* harder with the R8, but can spark more often with the aps.
  • Geshwur - Raging Tide
    Geshwur - Raging Tide Posts: 570 Arc User
    edited May 2012
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »
    At +5 I think Ghost Crys out DPS Hooks. (Hooks honestly refine like absolute ****)

    This, tested and proven in game.
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