Torchlight 2: Pre-Ordering?

_Petal_ - Harshlands · April 2012

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i206/xyz_02/Save%20PWI/2012-04-2916-00-58.jpg

Take a peek at the pretty orange spam.

Is PWI so unimportant to you that you're actually advertising OTHER GAMES coming out? Seriously? We didn't get any of this **** when you put out Forsaken World, or Rusty Hearts.

Stop spamming my game with your advertisements. I already get enough of this:

"LET IT BE KNOWN THAT FRANK HAS GOTTEN RUBBISH IN A PACK!"
"LET IT BE KNOWN THAT LOUIS HAS GOTTEN A FANCY MOUNT IN A PACK!"
"LET IT BE KNOWN THAT SOME POOR SAP FARMED THOUSANDS OF DQ MATS FOR AN EVENT CARD!"

Pack sale spam I can handle, and I don't honestly mind as long as it's not flooding chat when we're trying to have a conversation (Like, oh I don't know...in the middle of a TW,)---but advertising other games just makes me feel like you're desperate.

Mystic_Man - Harshlands · April 2012

....that is the single-weirdest skillbar layout i've ever seen in my entire life, period.

Xainou - Sanctuary · April 2012

All I ever see you do is rage about how the game sucks. Time to move on?

ItsAWolf - Archosaur · April 2012

Mystic_Man - Harshlands wrote: »

....that is the single-weirdest skillbar layout i've ever seen in my entire life, period.

It's just sorted by skill type. Each type of skill gets its own bar.

Mystic_Man - Harshlands · April 2012

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

All I ever see you do is rage about how the game sucks. Time to move on?

Well she DOES have a point. Why is PWI advertising new games we don't care about, while ignoring fixes in a game we do?

i'll go ahead and use the word desperate in describing this as well...we never were spammed ingame about any other games PWE released. why are they doing this all of a sudden? it's not like intend to play any of your games once you choke the life out of this one anyway.

edit: and I see what she did with that skillbar layout now...still, why so many blank spots on the other rows? wouldn't it make more sense to put them together and eliminate unneeded bars? just a thought.

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands · April 2012

Mystic_Man - Harshlands wrote: »

....that is the single-weirdest skillbar layout i've ever seen in my entire life, period.

nope go ask subtraction about her skillbars. ewww why are you in mayhem

_Petal_ - Harshlands · April 2012

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »

ewww why are you in mayhem

Someone's got to have the 'nads to stand up to *edit edit* CATALYST...and I don't see it being Crimson or Kylin anytime soon.

.-. And Mystic, you think mine's confusing, just look around for Longknife's TW videos...that layout is so weird it makes me wonder how the guy functions as well as he does.

I don't suppose a member of staff (preferably frankie, although I honestly don't even care whom,) would be kind enough to explain why we're getting spam from an entirely different game here.

Subtraction - Harshlands · April 2012

SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »

nope go ask subtraction about her skillbars. ewww why are you in mayhem

fuuu you

_Petal_ - Harshlands wrote: »

Someone's got to have the 'nads to stand up to Crimson...and I don't see it being Crimson or Kylin anytime soon.

Off topic, but I lol'd.

_Petal_ - Harshlands · April 2012

Subtraction - Harshlands wrote: »

*le subtraction, pointing out le typo.

Oh well....damn my typos. Totally meant to put Catalyst, not Crimson... b:avoid

Ariella_ - Lost City · April 2012

After the way they treated PW, there's no way I'd ever play another game from this company.

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear · April 2012

Ariella_ - Lost City wrote: »

After the way they treated PW, there's no way I'd ever play another game from this company.

Here's a neat little tip: want to know which games you should probably avoid completely? Go to the PWE website and browse the games. Does PWE host a forum or any sort of actual support for a game? Avoid it! That is a game created by the company and they are in charge of maintaining it. (or not maintaining it at all as the case appears to be with PWI.)

Like I said in another thread, it's not uncommon for decent game companies to team up with evil (rich) Asian based companies to get their product out there. Let's see if I can use an example some of you might actually understand...

While NCSoft hasn't totally reached the PWE level of incompetence, they have definitely had a few security incidents over the past few years that made players very upset. NCSoft did not make the Sraw Dliug series. They are not in charge of maintaining the games, fixing glitches or anything else that's considered hands-on. Arenanet is in charge of that stuff. Does that mean the games aren't listed on the NCSoft website or promoted? They would be insane not to.

It's a very similar situation with the Torchlight series. Runic is the company that made the game and PWE is the publisher. PWE is not in charge of fixing or adding anything to the game. It's actually a very fun series that I highly recommend if you're into that Diablo style gameplay. I totally understand not wanting to give PWE even a portion of the money after getting slapped across the face a few times, but letting a potentially awesome game like Torchlight 2 rot because you don't understand what sort of role PWE actually plays is sort of stupid.

PWE DID NOT MAKE THE GAME!!

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · April 2012

I actually didn't mine torchlight, and it's a whole different animal than PWI. That being said, I don't really see it as a huge problem nor desperate. They are just trying out a new marketing approach, if it works we'll see more in the future. If it doesn't bring anyone new in and just ticks off people, we'll probably won't see it again. Every company advertises. No big deal to me.

WaffleChan - Sanctuary · April 2012

why play a D2 clone when D3 comes out in 2 weeks?

Ajiuo - Harshlands · April 2012

The text looks red to me, not orange. Derp.

Bubbles - Morai · April 2012

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's a very similar situation with the Torchlight series. Runic is the company that made the game and PWE is the publisher. PWE is not in charge of fixing or adding anything to the game. It's actually a very fun series that I highly recommend if you're into that Diablo style gameplay. I totally understand not wanting to give PWE even a portion of the money after getting slapped across the face a few times, but letting a potentially awesome game like Torchlight 2 rot because you don't understand what sort of role PWE actually plays is sort of stupid.

PWE DID NOT MAKE THE GAME!!

Last night... I found out the meaning behind your post. I went out and preordered torchlight II, not from pwe but from steam. It was more of an impulse buy with a friend of mine, but whatever, boredom happens.

The first game is insanely fun. I'm not even the type that plays moba games and yet I find myself really enjoying this game.

I think pwe isn't advertising this game right... All these years I thought torchlight was just a stupid pwe game when reality, it's a runic game (not that I'm unaware of pwe being just a publisher, just the stigma of seeing pwe's name on a game got to me).
If this game had a different publisher and someone else advertising it, it would do really well, much better then now. This is actually a high quality game, not a chinese pos.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · April 2012

Bubbles - Lothranis wrote: »

Last night... I found out the meaning behind your post. I went out and preordered torchlight II, not from pwe but from steam. It was more of an impulse buy with a friend of mine, but whatever, boredom happens.

The first game is insanely fun. I'm not even the type that plays moba games and yet I find myself really enjoying this game.

I think pwe isn't advertising this game right... All these years I thought torchlight was just a stupid pwe game when reality, it's a runic game (not that I'm unaware of pwe being just a publisher, just the stigma of seeing pwe's name on a game got to me).
If this game had a different publisher and someone else advertising it, it would do really well, much better then now. This is actually a high quality game, not a chinese pos.

Agreed with the last part. The original Torchlight was a blast indeed but now that I know who the publishers are... just the thought of even indirectly giving PWE money via buying one of their games (even when not directly managing it) is enough for me to turn away.

Also as someone else said... if you like Torchlight's kind of game play... why go for a clone when the original is bringing out it's long awaited sequel ?

That's the real headwind the Torchlight franchise will be facing in the coming months.

Bubbles - Morai · April 2012

Hexalot - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Agreed with the last part. The original Torchlight was a blast indeed but now that I know who the publishers are... just the thought of even indirectly giving PWE money via buying one of their games (even when not directly managing it) is enough for me to turn away.

Also as someone else said... if you like Torchlight's kind of game play... why go for a clone when the original is bringing out it's long awaited sequel ?

That's the real headwind the Torchlight franchise will be facing in the coming months.

It really all depends on how well torchlight II will adverstise itself (a PWE label will obviously not help there) and how well the new diablo will turn out.

Runic actually addressed this on their forums:

Annoying Questions
Why didn't they release it before Diablo 3 is released and crushes their company?
Runic doesn't see Diablo 3 as a problem for Torchlight 2's existence, for multiple reasons. Here are a few:
Diablo 3 is online only and costs 60 dollars, while Torchlight 2 has Single player, LAN, and Peer-to-peer connections, and only costs 20 dollars

Torchlight 2 supports mods, with the developer's own tools to be released shortly after the game is released. Diablo 3 cannot be altered in any way without getting a ban for battle.net

Torchlight 2 has many more traditional systems, with stat points, skill points, identify scrolls, etc. Diablo 3 has no skill or stat points, has a completely different skill system, and multiple other differences from traditional ARPGs. (This is not saying one is better than the other, only that the gameplay styles are different)

Torchlight 2 has only been in production for about 2 years of development time, with less than 35 developers to create, while Diablo 3 has taken over a decade and requires huge teams of developers and budget. This means Torchlight 2 doesn't need to make as much money as Diablo 3 to turn a decent profit.

There can never be other RPGs when a new Diablo game is out.
Some of these should be questions, right? In any case, despite the belief that some people hold that a Diablo game destroys all other competition, Torchlight 2, Diablo 3, Path of Exile, and Grim Dawn are all on the horizon with some excellent and experienced developers behind them. Each game is very different from the others, and appeal to different gamers. (Opinion following) This is not a time when a Diablo game is going to destroy everything, it's a time when the ARPG genre is finally growing again, and that can only mean good things and progress for all of the games involved. After all, there is more than one RTS in existence, it's not like people are limited to only one game in a genre.

Is this the team that made Diablo 1 and 2?
Ooooh, fancy question, let me give you a fancy answer. Max and Erich Schaefer, founders of Blizzard North and the heads of the Diablo 1 and 2 (including LOD expansion)'s development teams, are among the founding members of Runic Games, with Max being the CEO. Matt Uelmen did the music for the original Diablo games and is doing all the music and sounds for the Torchlight series, including using the same orchestra. Peter Hu was the man behind the Diablo 2 1.10 patch, but left Runic Games some time ago. However, the other 30 or so members of Runic Games hail from different places, so it would be inaccurate to say that Runic Games is the original Blizzard North development team. However, the other members of those original Diablo teams are no longer at Blizzard, and are not involved with Diablo 3. Extrapolating, neither team is Blizzard North, and thus each teams' work should be judged on its own merits, not their histories. (My personal opinion)

Point is, while the game might feel like diablo (honestly never played it, was never interested in the genre, so I don't know for sure), that doesn't mean this game can't compete with it or still attain a good playerbase. There are plenty of valid reasons to get this game over diablo or with diablo (it is fairly cheap).

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