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NeoTundra - Dreamweaver
NeoTundra - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
edited April 2012 in Assassin
ok so i keep hearing about this thing caled a 5aps sin, 9rank sins and stuff like that. i planned on going full nirvana armour and reforging my daggers untill i got 2x -interval on them ontop of being demon and also refining my stuff 7-12. however im also thinking of getting the tm79 cape for the interval. im basicly asking if im setting up a decent enough sin to solo things for cash and to also deal massive damage ontop of being a help to my team.

P.S. please explain how to get 5aps because im very intrested in fully understanding the full potential of my assasin

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  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Where's Spazz with his pwi calc builds when ya need him? XD
  • NeoTundra - Dreamweaver
    NeoTundra - Dreamweaver Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    yea, lol i really need some input and help on this matter
  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Standard 5 aps build: 160,472 DPS, 8,841 life, 6049 pdef, 3866 mdef

    Full Nirvana 2.86 aps build: 93,364 DPS, 9,994 life, 6,792 pdef, 4,190 mdef

    So:
    You gain: 3% physical reduction, 2% magical reduction, 1,153 life
    You lose: 67,108 DPS

    So for a minimal gain, you'd lose 42% of your damage potential.

    Btw, if the first build put in 89 points to Vitality, which would cover the HP loss, they'd still get 144,710 DPS, 6,454 pdef and 4,158 mdef.

    Also, your build costs much more. The first build, without the refines, would probably cost 1,200,000,000, whereas a full Nirvana sin would cost 1,530,000,000 assuming you get super lucky with the mods. The actual expected cost for a 2x -0.05 interval G15 Nirvana alone is 3,955,900,000, which is more than triple the full cost of the 5 aps build.

    So yeah, your plan is kinda dumb.
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  • pefectkid
    pefectkid Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Interesting......
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  • dblazen1
    dblazen1 Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Standard 5 aps build: 160,472 DPS, 8,841 life, 6049 pdef, 3866 mdef

    Full Nirvana 2.86 aps build: 93,364 DPS, 9,994 life, 6,792 pdef, 4,190 mdef

    So:
    You gain: 3% physical reduction, 2% magical reduction, 1,153 life
    You lose: 67,108 DPS

    So for a minimal gain, you'd lose 42% of your damage potential.

    Btw, if the first build put in 89 points to Vitality, which would cover the HP loss, they'd still get 144,710 DPS, 6,454 pdef and 4,158 mdef.

    Also, your build costs much more. The first build, without the refines, would probably cost 1,200,000,000, whereas a full Nirvana sin would cost 1,530,000,000 assuming you get super lucky with the mods. The actual expected cost for a 2x -0.05 interval G15 Nirvana alone is 3,955,900,000, which is more than triple the full cost of the 5 aps build.

    So yeah, your plan is kinda dumb.
    As much as I agree that it's a dumb plan, I have to point out your nirvana build for what he mentioned is faulty as he mentioned he might get an -int cape, and why you put more str in nirvana than the 5 aps build is also something that's incorrect where the 5 aps build is build with str to reach 104 for nirvana gear.
    DPS wise I never had much of a clue how to calculate it, but even with 3.33 aps i get a bigger gap than you are having with even lower aps.
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    dblazen1 wrote: »
    As much as I agree that it's a dumb plan, I have to point out your nirvana build for what he mentioned is faulty as he mentioned he might get an -int cape

    That's true. Would push the Nirvana build's numbers to 108,041 dps, 6,641 pdef, 9,754 HP and 3,866 mdef. Personally, I'd swap the armor for R8 and get 5 aps, that would be the bet setup.
    and why you put more str in nirvana than the 5 aps build is also something that's incorrect where the 5 aps build is build with str to reach 104 for nirvana gear.
    DPS wise I never had much of a clue how to calculate it, but even with 3.33 aps i get a bigger gap than you are having with even lower aps.

    The reason I put more str into the stats was because there's no +str on the Nirvana cape, so it needs more base str to be able to equip the gear. Both of them get a total of 104.
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  • Salari - Raging Tide
    Salari - Raging Tide Posts: 2,102 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    dblazen1 wrote: »
    As much as I agree that it's a dumb plan, I have to point out your nirvana build for what he mentioned is faulty as he mentioned he might get an -int cape, and why you put more str in nirvana than the 5 aps build is also something that's incorrect where the 5 aps build is build with str to reach 104 for nirvana gear.
    DPS wise I never had much of a clue how to calculate it, but even with 3.33 aps i get a bigger gap than you are having with even lower aps.




    More Str comes from gear, and it is not that much to begin with, not game breaking
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  • dblazen1
    dblazen1 Posts: 1,177 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The reason I put more str into the stats was because there's no +str on the Nirvana cape, so it needs more base str to be able to equip the gear. Both of them get a total of 104.
    Ah right, that was a mistake on my end since i switched the cape with a lunar one
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  • Empu - Sanctuary
    Empu - Sanctuary Posts: 1,154 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    NeoTundra - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yea, lol i really need some input and help on this matter

    Plz go 1 page up and take a look at the 3rd thread from above (it's a sticky).
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Where's Spazz with his pwi calc builds when ya need him? XD

    Finally some recognition
    http://pwcalc.com/6ee7b564147dd261
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