TW Barb

TW would be a sage cata barb with something like calamities or R9 for the weapon.

PvP would be a demon strength barb with 120 dex with gear.

Unless you plan to have lots of $$ to dump into the project, pick one. PvP or TW.

MsDominatrix - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Is a demon vit barb screwed for TW?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Well, sort of. You probably aren't gonna be pulling a Cata, but you can do other, almost as important things. Suicide Arma Barb is pretty good, the more HP you have, the better you'll do.

This is the route I'm working towards. Unless I decide to stay PVE, in which case, I'll remain a Demon Str Barb.

You can be a cata barb.
There is another thread about it, and since I am sick of that noob telling bullshyt, here is your proof:
Sage barb in tiger: http://pwcalc.com/27a1afacaa9f47b5
Demon barb in tiger: http://pwcalc.com/72108b35a5a52e10

As you can see, the difference between sage and demon barb at end game is 2k hp and 3k physical defense.

Now, what is better, shytload of crits, ability to actually kill and much more accuracy, or 2k hp and 1% more def?

Only reason why demon barbs are thought of as squishies is because of noobs with +5 deicides playing them, having +3 gear and 12k in tiger.
Now, Sarra, if you still are blind to see this, then you probably have issues.

timbabukaz wrote: »

You can be a cata barb.
There is another thread about it, and since I am sick of that noob telling bullshyt, here is your proof:
Sage barb in tiger: http://pwcalc.com/27a1afacaa9f47b5
Demon barb in tiger: http://pwcalc.com/72108b35a5a52e10

As you can see, the difference between sage and demon barb at end game is 2k hp and 3k physical defense.

Now, what is better, shytload of crits, ability to actually kill and much more accuracy, or 2k hp and 1% more def?

Only reason why demon barbs are thought of as squishies is because of noobs with +5 deicides playing them, having +3 gear and 12k in tiger.
Now, Sarra, if you still are blind to see this, then you probably have issues.

I've been informed that Demon Barbs aren't typically accepted into the first tier TW factions as Cata Barbs, they typically don't spend 2.4 billion coins on shards, much less the 2 billion on R9. TW factions will use Demon Barbs for Arma suicide rugs.

I'd love to do that build, but seriously, I don't have 4.4 billion coins. With how ****ed the economy is, I don't think I could get that many coins by merching 24/7 for 2 years.

Demon: http://pwcalc.com/59e58183f91254b5
Sage: http://pwcalc.com/d23b5a6011fc2af5

Affordable build, Still no significant difference. b:bye

I'm demon. I pull cata. I survive with semi-decent Lunar Nirvana. Still takes ganks to kill me. Any intelligent barb knows how to stay alive, regardless of their sage/demon choice.

Anybody that thinks demon barbs can't pull cata are ignorant.

CeVil - Momaganon wrote: »

Demon: http://pwcalc.com/59e58183f91254b5
Sage: http://pwcalc.com/d23b5a6011fc2af5

Affordable build, Still no significant difference. b:bye

That is certainly something I will be working towards.

I went for max Axe APS, but, I'm also sharing the gear between my Barb and BM. Indeed, I'm working on something very similar to that right now, but everything +10 instead of +5/+7.

Gear I can share between my BM and Barb is important to me, since it will save me lots of coin.

Though, I'm planning on PVE for my BM, not TW or PK, so that helps a lot (though I want R8 recast with interval on it so I can 5.0 with TT90G fists).

deciding the make of your barb should depend on the guilds you are going against. If you can roll all the guilds on your server, then make a demon barb, R9, all vit, and like 580 str, 60 dex, 305 or so vit. dont bother with fists. you wont die in tw if you got a good squad in tw. you will have around 33k hp and thats plenty for a tw if you know how to use your skills and when to use them. this build is strong, and if u pvp, you will hit pretty hard, get a +45 str tome if u really want to hit like a truck.

if you go against a strong guild, then make your barb vit instead of str, as a cata barb your not there to attack anyone,you got your offense that will push the lane, all you do is stay back and follow, realize if your getting rushed then fall back. that easy, your offense pushes the lane, you go with the offense. theres no shame getting pushed back to your base. you and your squad lived. just your presence alone behind the offense is affective. this build, just have enough str for gears. 60 dex, the rest vit. you will have a 40k hp barb depending on your tome and shards/refines, assuming you are full vit and +12.

the reason you stay back is simple, the other guild will have there bm's run in, roar for that stun, then DG you. if they got good dders there like r9 wiz or r9 psy, you are a goner. thus, STAY BACK so the bm cannot do that to you.

dont even bother to buff yourself with poison fang.

if your squad is weak, going to tw a stronger guild, you need lots of pots ( 50 IG, 50 white tea, 50 vacuity, dew , sutra pots, get guild base pots if you can. bring extra hp charms also ) and a genie with a fast recovery around 3/sec. make sure you got your lvl 11 skills to buff the bm's and other barbs in your squad. the bm will take a lot of dmg leading the way up front.

now, if the guild your going against got r9 wizzies, you need lvl 8 / lvl 9 apoc pots to reduce there dmg. lvl 8 will reduce dmg by 50 %. 1 time use, quick cooldown.get 50 of these also. its a lifesaver when your sitting on the crystal. on the crystal, more than likely you got debuffed from a veno, you need to invoke, rebuff squad ( those alive) tiger form, watch the c/d then use IG or your genie to stay alive.

if your not taking dmg at the crystal, just be aware who is near you, rebuff bm's in squad if you can and other squad members.

if your going against a guild that got a lot of r9 with good refines/shards your in for a fun time if you are also r9. if not, your almost a 1 shot to a r9 wiz . smaller guilds that dont have r9's, then your fine with nirv recast. have fun!

myself, i am a demon barb but i restat according to the guilds i go against. i got a sage barb as well, but the demon barb i enjoy for tw more than the sage.

MrSyko - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm demon. I pull cata. I survive with semi-decent Lunar Nirvana. Still takes ganks to kill me. Any intelligent barb knows how to stay alive, regardless of their sage/demon choice.

Anybody that thinks demon barbs can't pull cata are ignorant.

i love you syko b:dirty

It very misleading to say that demon barb are screwed in pulling catas.

Being chosen to be a cata barb depends on the other barbs in your factions.

If you are among the top 4 barb with the highest survivability, then, most likely you will pull a cata. Being sage is only one of the multiple ways to measure survivability.

Overall survivability depends on the following
(1) Having Op-Gears: more hp, defence lvl, m-def, p-def
(2) Knowledge & Experience: to know when to use invoke, tw pots and other skills, etc...
(3) Pots: to have tons of apothecary tw pots, defence charms, hp charms.
(4) Genie: having a pure defensive tw genie instead of an all-purpose genie would help.
(5) Teamwork: ... enough said...

Being a sage barb means that you have more hp which is better than demon for survivability. But if you are demon, and you can compensate the hp difference with Op-gears, experience and all of the above, you will most likely be a better catabarb than an 'average' sage barb.

For first-tier faction, first-choice catabarbs will be sage, because they spend most of their time and money on overpowering their survivability... while demon barbs tend to be a more 'rounded' class with both DD capabilities and survivability, demon barbs are more useful in DD squads.

its all about dedication and using skills with brain. sure there is a slight difference in survivability between sage and demon...but thats not the thing....usually tw sage barbs are preferred cuz usually they go for pure cata build...not dd not sacrificial perdition

a sage cata barb will most likely ignore cloudcharger or matchless and go for nirvana robe, also no seal of eternal solitude or lunar might ring or whatever but a magic ring with lots of points to restat into vit and mag def from refine, basically ignoring every bit of dmg that some points in str and dex or whatever might add.

thats usually not the case for demon ones...where 3 out of 5 go for str build and the other 2 that might go for pure vit wear might rings (or have some crappy mag rings for tw...nowhere near as close to what is considered to be best).

Precept - Lost City wrote: »

Cata Barb

Since PWCalc hasn't been updated I can't put on a R8 recast hammer with 20 def lvl/ 5 def lvl/ 5 def lvl/ 5def lvl, but that's the best build.

That`s actually the exact build kitty been thinking of when he wasnt aware of rumors bout G16 vana. Now I`m prolly just gathering enough wealth to pop R9+10 whenever I can determine what to think bout the rumors regarding G16 vana. Actually, I should have enough for R9+12 with JoSD by xmas if I`m not getting lazy/rl wont be too much in my way. that if my math is solid and I`m pretty sure it`s not far off. But it`s really bout summer - if I`m under 2 billion by the end of it, I`m not doubtful of making it.

Till I can decide what I should aim for, I`m not gonna invest my barb more than farm R8 recast, refine it as far as event gold goes, shard with luminance shards, change stats to vit build as my barb really doesnt do much during week anyways. 2nd recast nirvana would be pretty decent option too I suppose but for reason or the other I like idea of R8 recast.

Sage/demon/tank/aps in the end what matters is having fun, even if I myself would be ashamed to have an aps barb to each his own.

That being said, the 100 aps barb I 2 shot on my sin in TW last week that was pulling cata (you know who you are) should be ashamed of himself, especially when my sin only did 13k damage with headhunt and rising dragon. (and no one else hit him since I was the solo scout on C lane)