>.> need help choosing a nigh impossible fantasy,r9 v.s. warsoul

projectlegion
projectlegion Posts: 61 Arc User
edited April 2012 in General Discussion
yer....been looking at the forum chatter...also been skulking around 1k alot and oggling people`s gear,i see that some sins have the aps gear,ring of trauma,and r9 daggers >.>

but that one thread said r9 is worse off without the full set bonus

so,thinking about the impossible,aquiring either of those two...which would be better?

cause ye i want to go aps and stuff...on my server the r9 daggers seem very popular...but im concerned >.> if im going to be a crazy person,i want to do the best that crazy can do,

so is warsoul better when you cant get the full r9 set?someone clear this up for me please?
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  • ShamandaIie - Heavens Tear
    ShamandaIie - Heavens Tear Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Warsoul weapon would cost you the same as getting like 3-4 sets of full R9. 4.0 R9 APS would still most likely out DD 4.0 warsoul daggers.
    IF you're talking about max DPS damage then what you want are 2nd stage nirvana dagers with Sac/GoF, -0.5 int and either dex +19 or max p.atk +130 on them. Those would out DPS any other daggers.
  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Im not sure about that "r9 out DD Warsoul"

    Example:

    Warsoul
    http://pwcalc.com/00e4be41675bba25
    Rank 9
    http://pwcalc.com/f0eeb2342099a44b

    Warsoul has more Max Phy Attack, 20 Attack level and 1% more Critrate.
    Rank 9 has more min attack and GoF

    At 4.0, GoF is nice, very nice to be exact. But how about the attack level?
    Maybe someone calculate it.

    But fact is, that warsoul (clean, unrefined, unsharded weapon) would probably cost more then a recasted r9 weapon+12 with shards.
    And yes, when the rank 9 weapon is recasted, there is no doubt, that rank 9 beats warsoul.
  • God_Exiler - Sanctuary
    God_Exiler - Sanctuary Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im not sure about that "r9 out DD Warsoul"

    Example:

    Warsoul
    http://pwcalc.com/ebc3d3505b4c5069

    Rank 9
    http://pwcalc.com/ebc3d3505b4c5069

    Warsoul has more Max Phy Attack, 20 Attack level and 1% more Critrate.
    Rank 9 has more min attack and GoF

    At 4.0, GoF is nice, very nice to be exact. But how about the attack level?
    Maybe someone calculate it.

    But fact is, that warsoul (clean, unrefined, unsharded weapon) would probably cost more then a recasted r9 weapon+12 with shards.
    And yes, when the rank 9 weapon is recasted, there is no doubt, that rank 9 beats warsoul.

    you may want to look at ur URLs more carefully b:thanks
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  • Futurelord - Dreamweaver
    Futurelord - Dreamweaver Posts: 450 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im not sure about that "r9 out DD Warsoul"

    Example:

    Warsoul
    http://pwcalc.com/ebc3d3505b4c5069

    Rank 9
    http://pwcalc.com/ebc3d3505b4c5069

    Warsoul has more Max Phy Attack, 20 Attack level and 1% more Critrate.
    Rank 9 has more min attack and GoF

    At 4.0, GoF is nice, very nice to be exact. But how about the attack level?
    Maybe someone calculate it.

    But fact is, that warsoul (clean, unrefined, unsharded weapon) would probably cost more then a recasted r9 weapon+12 with shards.
    And yes, when the rank 9 weapon is recasted, there is no doubt, that rank 9 beats warsoul.

    I can't tell if your looking at this from the standpoint of just the weapon or full R9. Those links are the same and they dont show warsoul or R9 btw.

    Warsoul weapon has +50 attack levels, full R9 is 60, recasted being 70. I would choose R9 simple cause you get the same or more damage power, but with a huge boost to defense with the armor.
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  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    oooops, forgott to click the safe button.

    Sorry and fixed b:thanks

    And he is not talking about full Rank 9, because he want to go aps and full rank 9 on a sin is far away from beeing aps
  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    If you bought all the mats with chips, a warsoul weapon would cost you roughly 6.9 billion coins, depending on the price of chips. Full rank 9 would only cost you about 1.6 billion coins, which is 23% the cost of a warsoul weapon.

    Warsoul has 2 advantages over rank 9. The first, warsoul is usable at level 80. The second, Warsoul is account stashable. Though, given that you could outfit 4 characters with full rank 9 for the cost of a single warsoul weapon, the second point is kind of moot, unless you have more than 4 characters who can share the same weapon. b:lipcurl

    As for the first "advantage." With hyper FC/PV/whatever else people hyper to gain exp these days, you wouldn't be level 80 for very long. Unless of course you had some reason to not level.

    In short: Rank 9 > warsoul. The full set of rank 9 is 1/4th the cost of a warsoul weapon, and offers better bonuses when worn as a set. Warsoul can be used at a lower level, and account stashed. But the huge cost of warsoul outweighs any small advantage it may have.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    R9 is much better. It has higher max DPH by far due to god of frenzy and has more DPS due to GoF + attack level.

    Warsoul dps would be like base damage * 1.8 (.8 comes from 30 attack level blessing and 50 attack level warsoul)
    R9 is: base damage * 1.6 * 1.2 = base damage * 1.92 (GoF is 20% proc rate)

    Also don't discount the +2m range on the r9. That is really good since you wont have to run up to autoattack after using a 4.5m skill.


    Going forward not only can you do an r9 recast but there is also a 3rd cast of r9 on the way.

    The only warsoul that is actually good is the claw since there is no r9 / morai claw.
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  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    In all honesty, I would only want a warsoul weapon so I could put it on a level 80 alt with green TT armor to troll people. b:laugh
  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Also don't discount the +2m range on the r9. That is really good since you wont have to run up to autoattack after using a 4.5m skill.

    You do know, that Warsoul dagger has range too?

    For the sh/it n giggels, you can use Warsoul weapon and rest rank 9 gear, you would end up with the exact same attack level but you loose the gof b:laugh
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »
    You do know, that Warsoul dagger has range too?

    Of course I don't know that. It would be sad if I knew that without looking!
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  • mm2000
    mm2000 Posts: 218 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Why do that when you could just go with local friends to do things? Save your money for better things. Clearly PWE, like every other MMORPGs are just schemes that will only make sheep get whatever stuff...
  • AuroraTear - Archosaur
    AuroraTear - Archosaur Posts: 89 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im not sure about that "r9 out DD Warsoul"

    Example:

    Warsoul
    http://pwcalc.com/00e4be41675bba25
    Rank 9
    http://pwcalc.com/f0eeb2342099a44b

    Warsoul has more Max Phy Attack, 20 Attack level and 1% more Critrate.
    Rank 9 has more min attack and GoF

    At 4.0, GoF is nice, very nice to be exact. But how about the attack level?
    Maybe someone calculate it.

    But fact is, that warsoul (clean, unrefined, unsharded weapon) would probably cost more then a recasted r9 weapon+12 with shards.
    And yes, when the rank 9 weapon is recasted, there is no doubt, that rank 9 beats warsoul.


    Actually. -.05
    -.05
    God of Frenzy
    ( I have Sac Strike)

    Those would make for the ultimate daggers. HOWEVER I didnt get GOF with them. IT also gives much better gear options. Like say Nirvana Bracers and R9 boots

    Or cube neck and belt
    or a cape other then lunar. Lots of diff options. DPS is important. NEed more gear options though. Im waiting on G16-G17 nirvy gear =)

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