Venomancer build?
wolfysophia
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Just wondering, what's the vit/str/dex/mag rate of venomancer?
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There are multiple ways to build a venomancer but for new players the arcane build is typically the way to go. It has a requirement of 3 magic per level, and 1 strength every two levels. This leaves you 1.5 stats to play with, which should be placed into either magic for stronger attacks or vitality for more hp. For new players adding a bit of vitality isn't a bad idea.
I would suggest: 4 magic, 1 strength on odd levels, 4 magic 1 vit on even levels.
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I was more elluding to the other 3 main builds: AA/vit, LA, or HA.
AA=Arcane armor
LA=Light armor
HA=Heavy armor
AA is the classic way to build a venomancer. 4.5magic/.5 strength. Gives strong attacks and stronger pet heals. The problem is arcane offers very little physical defense.
AA/vit is a build where you trade of some killing power for vitality. 3 - 4 magic/.5 - 2vit. Is it better to kill a mob before it reaches you or to have the hp if a mob reaches you? One benefit, you are less likely to rip aggro from your pet with the slightly weaker heals.
LA offers more physical defense, but you don't kill as fast and your pet heals are weaker. 3magic, 1dex, 1strength. This was a popular pvp build a while ago because of lower refines and the higher crit rate on skills, but has lost popularity. One benefit is LA offers a better refine rate than AA so you should avoid adding to vitality with this build.
HA offers the most physical defense and highest refine rate but requires very careful planning of gear. The reason is for HA you need 2.5 strength, .5 dex, and 3 magic for your weapon for a total of 6 stats per level. If you chose this route, most suggest it as a level 90 or 100+ build and not before. You'll have relatively weak pet heals and attacks, but have astronomic physical defense while in fox form and have balanced human and fox form abilities.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
The reason is for HA you need 3 strength, .5 dex, and 3 magic for your weapon for a total of 6.5 stats per level.
HA only requires 2.5 str/level (it's axe/hammer that requires 3) for a total of 6 stat points/level.
It is possible to be HA/AA from level 1, but yeah... not easy, and shouldn't be tried on your first character... you need a revenue stream to support it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »HA only requires 2.5 str/level (it's axe/hammer that requires 3) for a total of 6 stat points/level.
It is possible to be HA/AA from level 1, but yeah... not easy, and shouldn't be tried on your first character... you need a revenue stream to support it.
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I've done a little of everything.
AA, LA, and HA Veno.
AA is good for actually doing stuff, you can hit hard enough in TW to make an appreciable dent in HA user's HP, and my 83 veno soloed a few barbs in TW (granted, they aren't very well geared and probably about my own level).
LA is good for... Not much. I suppose you could run around in -int gear, but the HP, Def, and especially the attack sucks. I've run Nirvana with a 2.86 weaponless Veno. Uses auto attack to generate massive amounts of chi, then purges/amps/sends sparks like mad. LA with a little more dex will get you awesome crits, but they hit about as hard as a regular AA Veno's non crits on the same skill.
HA is good for survival. HA refines better than LA or AA, but you'll still be left with a useless magic attack, and not even the crit rate of LA to make good use of. Is good for getting massive HP and PDef, you can switch to partial or full AA for tanking magic damage. Is okay for farming certain bosses that do AOE Physical damage, assuming you have enough MAttack to keep your tank pet healed.101 Sage Sin*/Archer
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
LA is good for... Not much. I suppose you could run around in -int gear, but the HP, Def, and especially the attack sucks. I've run Nirvana with a 2.86 weaponless Veno. Uses auto attack to generate massive amounts of chi, then purges/amps/sends sparks like mad. LA with a little more dex will get you awesome crits, but they hit about as hard as a regular AA Veno's non crits on the same skill.
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http://pwcalc.com/f5dbf92a7fa7a578
LOL @ troll post
That build has half the raw attack of a bm, is 4.0 max (spam genie skills for 5 aps while I spam frenzy and EP) and requires double -int G15s to get it, no paint, poor crit rate and defenses sucks.
That build was only decent prior to GMs deciding whether claws in fox form was bannable, now its very 'meh'.
You'll do much better amping/debuffing for better dds, which are your sins, bm, barbs, aps clerics.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »LOL @ troll post
That build has half the raw attack of a bm, is 4.0 max (spam genie skills for 5 aps while I spam frenzy and EP) and requires double -int G15s to get it, no paint, poor crit rate and defenses sucks.
That build was only decent prior to GMs deciding whether claws in fox form was bannable, now its very 'meh'.
You'll do much better amping/debuffing for better dds, which are your sins, bm, barbs, aps clerics.
You were saying?
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LOL @ troll post
Now you have 30% higher dph than a bm but less than half the aps and still worse defenses, no paint, and limited skill options.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Light Armor is a good way to prepare yourself for Heavy Armor or Heavy-Arcane at endgame . There are only a few occasions that LA can do it 'ok' , and your builds certainly wont achieve that , since you will always be inferior to others. if you want to play for fun go for it , but dont think you can out-do other AA/HA venos[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »LOL @ troll post
Now you have 30% higher dph than a bm but less than half the aps and still worse defenses, no paint, and limited skill options.
You do realize that is a magic sword right and magic swords use skills right and noticed the build have a total of 285 MAG which is enough for G15 nirvana still? Trolololololol
You can still use fox form IJS... and my build would be restat to heavy for pure DEF and HP (of course APS too) because human form veno have weak damage compared to other classes, they hit hard, but not as others (I hit harder on a VIT cleric than pure MAG veno TBH). Most of these human form venoes are too reliant on pets.
On top of that... Only good attack spells for veno is ironwood scarab and nova, and only idiots waste 2 sparks on that when it comes to bosses I have squad with those idiot venoes that does do that on bosses that can't be immobilized / silenced.
Venomous scarab? LOL I do better damage with lower leveled claws
Blazing scarab? LOL, this skill is **** and the duration is way too long.
Frost scarab? Everyone agrees with me, it is a waste of spark just for a weak DOT
Noxious? Slow and not all DPH-ish, I still hit harder without sparking
Lucky? ROFL... 2 second stun is a complete joke (3 if sage), again, weak magic attack
I only use human form for
-Self recovery
-Bramble / Bramblehood
-Sending sparks
-Ironwood for single targets, nova for AOE "stuns"
-Using claws out of boredom because this class is beyond easy to play even if you don't cash shop
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You do realize that is a magic sword right and magic swords use skills right and noticed the build have a total of 285 MAG which is enough for G15 nirvana still? Trolololololol
You can still use fox form IJS... and my build would be restat to heavy for pure DEF and HP (of course APS too) because human form veno have weak damage compared to other classes, they hit hard, but not as others (I hit harder on a VIT cleric than pure MAG veno TBH). Most of these human form venoes are too reliant on pets.
On top of that... Only good attack spells for veno is ironwood scarab and nova, and only idiots waste 2 sparks on that when it comes to bosses I have squad with those idiot venoes that does do that on bosses that can't be immobilized / silenced.
Venomous scarab? LOL I do better damage with lower leveled claws
Blazing scarab? LOL, this skill is **** and the duration is way too long.
Frost scarab? Everyone agrees with me, it is a waste of spark just for a weak DOT
Noxious? Slow and not all DPH-ish, I still hit harder without sparking
Lucky? ROFL... 2 second stun is a complete joke (3 if sage), again, weak magic attack
I only use human form for
-Self recovery
-Bramble / Bramblehood
-Sending sparks
-Ironwood for single targets, nova for AOE "stuns"
-Using claws out of boredom because this class is beyond easy to play even if you don't cash shop
I am planning for this build btw http://pwcalc.com/8e3c19ccd63a76c8
Yah, I noticed it was a magic sword and I've ran with people who already had basically that build. My point was in a squad a veno's best use is amp/debuff most the time. Especially since your full +12 build in fox form does about 2/3 the damage of a single regular BM. So while you are piddling around in fox form your squad will be wondering why you haven't tried human myriad or ironwood to contribute more and are just apsing.
So you made a post to refute me saying your build has "limited skill options" and then pointed out for yourself that you don't really use many skills in human form. I also doubt you use more than amp and myriad in fox form, too. So yes, there are limited skills that are useful if you live in fox form.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
I hit harder on a VIT cleric than pure MAG veno TBH
Well, did you make the comparison with the same weapon? I won't argue but venos can get pretty decent damage, too. Unfortunately what most venos do is spam venomous scarab so no wonder nobody considers them a DD anymore.Most of these human form venoes are too reliant on pets.
I will have to agree with this though. It's also a pet peeve of mine when I see venos worrying so much about their pets and wasting their time to revive their pet instead of debuffing/DDing or when their squishy DD pet takes aggro they keep healing it and leave the boss with no amp -.-Venomous scarab? LOL I do better damage with lower leveled claws Demon version of it is useful, though, because of the wood debuff and it benefits Mystics and Barbs too.
Blazing scarab? LOL, this skill is **** and the duration is way too long.When everything else is on cd there's no reason not to use it.
Frost scarab? Everyone agrees with me, it is a waste of spark just for a weak DOTDemon version of it can freeze the enemy and it has been useful for me in many situations, other than that I agree though.
Noxious? Slow and not all DPH-ish, I still hit harder without sparking It's one of our 4 AOE skills regardless and it gives pretty nice amount of chi too.
Lucky? ROFL... 2 second stun is a complete joke (3 if sage), again, weak magic attackAgain, i've found many uses for it really. After all in this game seconds do matter and it's especially effective along with demon frost scarab for me.
As for venomancers using nova at bosses. Well yeah, I laugh at it too. Unless it's demon nova of course.
I won't judge on your build or whatever but let me just say, venomancers have two skill trees (human and fox) and were meant to be played by using both to reach the full potential the class. Yes I am an AA veno and no, for me fox form is not just amp and myriad.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »I've done a little of everything.
AA, LA, and HA Veno.
AA is good for actually doing stuff, you can hit hard enough in TW to make an appreciable dent in HA user's HP, and my 83 veno soloed a few barbs in TW (granted, they aren't very well geared and probably about my own level).
LA is good for... Not much. I suppose you could run around in -int gear, but the HP, Def, and especially the attack sucks. I've run Nirvana with a 2.86 weaponless Veno. Uses auto attack to generate massive amounts of chi, then purges/amps/sends sparks like mad. LA with a little more dex will get you awesome crits, but they hit about as hard as a regular AA Veno's non crits on the same skill.
HA is good for survival. HA refines better than LA or AA, but you'll still be left with a useless magic attack, and not even the crit rate of LA to make good use of. Is good for getting massive HP and PDef, you can switch to partial or full AA for tanking magic damage. Is okay for farming certain bosses that do AOE Physical damage, assuming you have enough MAttack to keep your tank pet healed.
Actually, Mag attack dun matter with healing pets, i heal my pet fine as a HA and can tank many bosses if my pet dies
HA though is expensive, you need enough magic for your weapon. Since i do my stats diffrently i'm a full HA veno, i'm not a mix AA/Ha veno.
PvP wise is easy against mag class, aslong as you know what to do. Stun is the main key for me to be honest. Genie, pets etc. with stuns and fox form attacks, plus 14k hp helps too haha.
If its your first time as a veno, i would stay as AA then restat to HA/LA or go LA and decide at endgame what you wish to go as.
Venos relaying on pets, as mage form yes, but if you wish not to always relied on pets HA veno are good for the job (hoping your not mobbed by magic mobs >.<)
as for tanking bosses if your pet dies you are able to pull through and solo or stay alive and rez your pet.101 Veno (Sage) (Archo Server)
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With my veno char, I put 2 str and 3 mag per level. This way I can wear heavy & arcane armor. I like high mag, but also some def.0
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Hey guys,
I would like to share my experience with the builds at lvl90
I am sage with a scorp lvl5 skills and a Gw with reflect.
First pure mag
this was my build from lvl1 to 90 i was super fine with it untill i got my lvl 11 skills and started stealing arrgo from pet causing more exp loss per grinding session. As pure mag i couldnt survive aoes from pole,nob,the fc exproom boss.
Then i switched to vit/mag and that solved my problems but my dmg was much les so killing became much slower and i felt points was a waste bec 1vit=12hp..
Then i tried to go Ha/Aa but i got stuck with points and failed.
Finally i went La/aa i was amazed by results my dmg was almost the same as vit/magbut i enjoyed the 15% crit. And started exploring fox atking skills, now i wear tt90 mag and la
and have 3.3k hp and i am so satisfied by results.
Bottom line i would like to say our main squad role is debuffing and support not dd,if a squad needs a dd they get a stronger one.and pls dont say we r unable to solo due to wealer heala cuz i can solo everything i need with la.0 -
Arkterix - Archosaur wrote: »With my veno char, I put 2 str and 3 mag per level. This way I can wear heavy & arcane armor. I like high mag, but also some def.
You're not going to be able to wear heavy armor your level (or indeed above minimal level) with no dex added. Heavy armor requires 2.5 str and .5 dex per level.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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X_volcano_y - Harshlands wrote: »this was my build from lvl1 to 90 i was super fine with it untill i got my lvl 11 skills and started stealing arrgo from pet causing more exp loss per grinding session. As pure mag i couldnt survive aoes from pole,nob,the fc exproom boss.
At long range Pole and Nob's AoEs are Water not phys. Amp is done in Fox Form which gives pdef boost. Not surviving that and the FC room boss indicates you were using mooch player gear.Then i switched to vit/mag and that solved my problems but my dmg was much les so killing became much slower and i felt points was a waste bec 1vit=12hp..
Putting points in vit on a veno is: moochbag build. It should not be used as compensation for poor gear.Then i tried to go Ha/Aa but i got stuck with points and failed.
Finally i went La/aa i was amazed by results my dmg was almost the same as vit/magbut i enjoyed the 15% crit.
Pure mag: 549 mag, 14% crit and not rank 9 or recast 8.Bottom line i would like to say our main squad role is debuffing and support not dd,if a squad needs a dd they get a stronger one.
Every time I read that I think: "fail".
What makes veno DD:
Only class with 900% weapon dmg on Celestial Eruption
Not the best DPH, but channeling speeds and avg DPH compensates
Debuffer?:
Ironwood vs Devour, Befuddling Creeper (aoe), Dimensional Seal, Glacial Spike, etc.
Amp vs Subsea Strike, Invigorate, Heaven's Flame, etc.
Purge vs; multiple weapons
I play 5 other classes and have no use for a veno that thinks all they need to do is have some skills to be on par.and pls dont say we r unable to solo due to wealer heala cuz i can solo everything i need with la.
Which is to say: you don't really need to solo anything. Let me know your trick on Xenospace Drake if you have one.
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I play a pure mag veno. I'm frequently told I'm still one of the best venos despite no upgrades in about a year. There are a few rare instances where I can't be much help: (final boss TT 3-3), but any strong build is going to be weak somewhere. I'm desirable for all BH100s, had no problem with culti 100, am desirable in both Nirvanas, etc. Try getting an Assassin into RB, a Mystic into BH Metal, A Wizard into Nirvana, etc.0 -
First of all ty for reply but i have a few notes:
1.Mygear in the 80s was full tt80+5 all hp sharded (is there a better option?)
2.exp room boss aoe doesnot kill me litterly but gets me to less than 100hp.
3.there is always a better use for sparks than euraption-i like it btw-lending the spark to
someone who needs it is a better option.
4.Have you heared about wiz with -channel,psy channel faster and do more DPH.
5.there is no skill comparable to sage amp by simple math calculation an aps squad will benefit more from a veno than any other class
Last but not least,I loved being pure mag-restating to it with r8- but too meb:shutup its cons were unbearble.
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X_volcano_y - Harshlands wrote: »Hey guys,
I would like to share my experience with the builds at lvl90
I am sage with a scorp lvl5 skills and a Gw with reflect.
First pure mag
this was my build from lvl1 to 90 i was super fine with it untill i got my lvl 11 skills and started stealing arrgo from pet causing more exp loss per grinding session. As pure mag i couldnt survive aoes from pole,nob,the fc exproom boss.
Then i switched to vit/mag and that solved my problems but my dmg was much les so killing became much slower and i felt points was a waste bec 1vit=12hp..
Then i tried to go Ha/Aa but i got stuck with points and failed.
Finally i went La/aa i was amazed by results my dmg was almost the same as vit/magbut i enjoyed the 15% crit. And started exploring fox atking skills, now i wear tt90 mag and la
and have 3.3k hp and i am so satisfied by results.
Bottom line i would like to say our main squad role is debuffing and support not dd,if a squad needs a dd they get a stronger one.and pls dont say we r unable to solo due to wealer heala cuz i can solo everything i need with la.
I will have to agree with things that tweakz said above.
I am not trying to be rude or anything or criticise your build. This is more like feedback.
Only 3.3k at lvl 90 is really low. By lvl90 you ought to have at least 4k HP minimum and have 4.7k-5k HP mininum by lvl100. It sounds like you don't have good shards or good refines.
Other than that 15% crit isn't really that great since you can achieve that with a magic build as well. Endgame gear offers many possibilities to raise your crit.
HA/AA gives you more physical defence than LA/AA. Either way even with AA you can achieve a good amount of HP (I have 6.2k HP at the moment) and defences. It's about having decent to very good gear.
Mind you, I didn't always have that epic gear nor did I have rank 8. But if you're a skilled venomancer you'll get associates and friends that will want to run with you again and eventually get into a group of people that can benefit you farming wise.
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b:surrender TBH we are even better without R8 with all the better gear options in Nirvy and Morai but LA ain't one of them.
LA is only good as training wheels b4 going HA or HA/AA but endgame wise you're pretty screwed when you're only half of what's good of the 2 extreme builds
As for the you stealing pets aggro...prolly you did not get a grasp of aggro mechanics. Too bad
And I fully aggree with Desdi, if you are skilled enough squads will want you but no skill can cover you up if your gears won't hold up for it.Go Pure or go Fail
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Sometimes i wonder why people so much want their pet to be able to keep aggro.
I'm HA veno and stealing easily the aggro from my nix that's lvl 101 like myself. If you can't steal aggro from ur own pet u know u need better gear x.x0 -
Satyrion - Sanctuary wrote: »Sometimes i wonder why people so much want their pet to be able to keep aggro.
I'm HA veno and stealing easily the aggro from my nix that's lvl 101 like myself. If you can't steal aggro from ur own pet u know u need better gear x.x
This b:surrender
As you level up pets become more of an extra DD, a help, an addition (herc tanking high level/hard hitting/ TT bosses is a different story). Whoever expects & wants the pet to keep aggro by lvl100 and whoever relies on their pet heavily...they are doing something wrong.
I've seen a venomancer once (judging by the weapon sthey were lvl80/90) who apparently was helping their lvl19 EG friend with that cultivation boss. Said veno summoned herc and let it tank while they were holding back. For crying out loud, spark and the boss is dead.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »I will have to agree with things that tweakz said above.
I am not trying to be rude or anything or criticise your build. This is more like feedback.
Only 3.3k at lvl 90 is really low. By lvl90 you ought to have at least 4k HP minimum and have 4.7k-5k HP mininum by lvl100. It sounds like you don't have good shards or good refines.
Other than that 15% crit isn't really that great since you can achieve that with a magic build as well. Endgame gear offers many possibilities to raise your crit.
HA/AA gives you more physical defence than LA/AA. Either way even with AA you can achieve a good amount of HP (I have 6.2k HP at the moment) and defences. It's about having decent to very good gear.
Mind you, I didn't always have that epic gear nor did I have rank 8. But if you're a skilled venomancer you'll get associates and friends that will want to run with you again and eventually get into a group of people that can benefit you farming wise.
My wizard has 5.4k HP(unbuffed) at 91.
By 100 you should ATLEAST have 5.5k if not 6-7k HP unbuffed.
Of course this is just my opnion and that is pretty dated now.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Satyrion - Sanctuary wrote: »Sometimes i wonder why people so much want their pet to be able to keep aggro.
I'm HA veno and stealing easily the aggro from my nix that's lvl 101 like myself. If you can't steal aggro from ur own pet u know u need better gear x.x
Sage Soul Degeneneration, Amp, and both Myriads create very little aggro yet can yield comparable overall dmg. Ironwood boosts melee aggro (including pet). While you can easily steal aggro from your pets; You can also create as much dps w/o doing so or before you take dmg yourself.
Not contesting the quote; just adding to it.
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Veno isn't for the lazy push button macro player.
Yet back in the day so many venoes with hercs all over soloing TTs... b:laugh
I already encountered a veno with a herc soloing cosmoforce in TT2-1 with just marco heal pet and went AFK for some minutes and still kill the boss with ease0 -
Veno isn't for the lazy push button macro player.
This is the problem b:chuckle
Venomancers were once labeled as the farming class. Everyone and their mother had one and would AFK herc-tank TT bosses. Well, now that population moved to Assassins. But the remaining Venomancer population still likes to macro lol.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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