APS barb (claw barb) questions?

beastmasterjr · April 2012

Hi fellow Barbs!

Firstly I would like to add that the reason this is not on the "claw barb guide" threat is because a) it is flooded b) People are going off the topic a fair bit and I want answers, not arguments about why or why not to do it lol.

Okay my questions are:

a) Claw barb, I hear people saying APS of about 2.86 before you restat too a claw barb is idea, does this amount of aps give you any potential for farming to get more aps such as fc clearing to bigrooms or TT mats etc?

b)Poison fang, I believe you must be in human form to claw, but one of the main advantages of claw barb is the increased damage of poison fang which leads me to believe we are in tiger form a fair bit, or does it work outside of tiger form?

c) lead on from question b), Can someone describe typically how you work in a situations such as soloing fc/tt or doing a bh100 boss etc. By this I mean, order of moves, how you open, when you changes axes and then use what move before switching back to claws etc, all this important stuff someone would need to know to do the said situations. Including switching between tiger and human.

d) Anything else that I should know before going into claw (I am close to the lvl and then will work on aps gear before doing it of course) that is worth mentioning so that I can function properly with the appropriate gear in my own solo adventures and squads experiences.

Thank you for anticipated responses,

Kind regards,

Beastmastajr.

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear · April 2012

(a) The minimum would be 2.86 (4.00 spark) so that you can 'perma-spark'. Perma-spark will give you a good damage output, heal & purify yourself at a decent rate. You can solo FC/TT with 4.0 deicide +5 at a decent speed, but it will not be very effective because you will still burn through a lot of pots or charm. So, aim for higher aps & refine 5.0 +10 if you want to do quick & effective "daily farming".

(b) Poison fang works with claws in human form (as long as you have any weapon equiped). [If you wish to have proof, you can try on physical immune mobs -eta- in endless universe -aka tuc su toxin-]

(c)
(i)Situation 1:FC large pulls to shades.
Run in axe/tiger form through several groups of mobs until you reach the shade, bestial rage, invoke or solid shield (optional), tangling mire, sunder, switch to human, drop an arma. All the little mobs will be dead at this point. Then, switch to claw/fist & aps the shade to death.

(ii)Situation 2: Soloing small group of mobs (2-5 mobs - in TT,BH,FC)
Be lazy: just sparks and individually aps the mobs to death. [or if there is a cleric healing you, make sure you have aggro on all the mobs by using sunder, or any equivalent, and then, aps the mobs to death individually.]

(iii)Situation 3: Soloing bosses (TT,FC)
Use demon titan before engaging the boss to get additional 5% crit rate for 1min. Run to the boss in tiger form, spark, hit demon devour, switch to human form, switch to aps weapon, enjoy the show. [Devour decrease the physical defence of the boss and will also glitch your accuracy to 100% - you can also use pentrate armor instead of devour, then, you dont need engage the boss in tiger form] Subsequently, after the first spark, just spark and auto-attack until the boss is dead.

(iv)Case 4: Soloing Full Pull, Big Room (FC)
Best way is to focus all the damage into one demon sunder-arma combo to 'one-shot' all the mobs in big room. (You can use jones blessing, tree of protection, tangling mire, and any morai or zerk-crit axe to help increase the arma damage)

Don't even think of using aps on the mobs in big room; it's a waste of time.

(d) Invest some time/money into a good pve genie: have tangling mire or extreme poison to increase damage while soloing the bosses; have earthflame to pull warlord in TT 2-3, etc... Don't neglect your tank build: have at least 15k hp if you want to pull full RB's for lvl100 culti quests.

For high TT's (TT 2-x squad mode, and above) it would be in your best interest if you have some good friends/alts to duo the TT's. e.g, a cleric to BB and buff, or a sin for bp so that you dont have to burn through hp charms. So, go bribe a female cleric to become your in-game wife [or in-game b***h] b:chuckle

beastmasterjr · April 2012

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

(a) The minimum would be 2.86 (4.00 spark) so that you can 'perma-spark'. Perma-spark will give you a good damage output, heal & purify yourself at a decent rate. You can solo FC/TT with 4.0 deicide +5 at a decent speed, but it will not be very effective because you will still burn through a lot of pots or charm. So, aim for higher aps & refine 5.0 +10 if you want to do quick & effective "daily farming".

(b) Poison fang works with claws in human form (as long as you have any weapon equiped). [If you wish to have proof, you can try on physical immune mobs -eta- in endless universe -aka tuc su toxin-]

(c)
(i)Situation 1:FC large pulls to shades.
Run in axe/tiger form through several groups of mobs until you reach the shade, bestial rage, invoke or solid shield (optional), tangling mire, sunder, switch to human, drop an arma. All the little mobs will be dead at this point. Then, switch to claw/fist & aps the shade to death.

(ii)Situation 2: Soloing small group of mobs (2-5 mobs - in TT,BH,FC)
Be lazy: just sparks and individually aps the mobs to death. [or if there is a cleric healing you, make sure you have aggro on all the mobs by using sunder, or any equivalent, and then, aps the mobs to death individually.]

(iii)Situation 3: Soloing bosses (TT,FC)
Use demon titan before engaging the boss to get additional 5% crit rate for 1min. Run to the boss in tiger form, spark, hit demon devour, switch to human form, switch to aps weapon, enjoy the show. [Devour decrease the physical defence of the boss and will also glitch your accuracy to 100% - you can also use pentrate armor instead of devour, then, you dont need engage the boss in tiger form] Subsequently, after the first spark, just spark and auto-attack until the boss is dead.

(iv)Case 4: Soloing Full Pull, Big Room (FC)
Best way is to focus all the damage into one demon sunder-arma combo to 'one-shot' all the mobs in big room. (You can use jones blessing, tree of protection, tangling mire, and any morai or zerk-crit axe to help increase the arma damage)

Don't even think of using aps on the mobs in big room; it's a waste of time.

(d) Invest some time/money into a good pve genie: have tangling mire or extreme poison to increase damage while soloing the bosses; have earthflame to pull warlord in TT 2-3, etc... Don't neglect your tank build: have at least 15k hp if you want to pull full RB's for lvl100 culti quests.

For high TT's (TT 2-x squad mode, and above) it would be in your best interest if you have some good friends/alts to duo the TT's. e.g, a cleric to BB and buff, or a sin for bp so that you dont have to burn through hp charms. So, go bribe a female cleric to become your in-game wife [or in-game b***h] b:chuckle

Thank you for your reply it was exactly what I was looking for!

As a mention with the soloing fc with 4.0, that is 4.0 sparked (because you perma spark) correct? You mentioned it burns through the charms or pots, is that even with bloodpaint buff?

ItsAWolf - Archosaur · April 2012

beastmasterjr wrote: »

Thank you for your reply it was exactly what I was looking for!

As a mention with the soloing fc with 4.0, that is 4.0 sparked (because you perma spark) correct? You mentioned it burns through the charms or pots, is that even with bloodpaint buff?

Without high refines on your weapon it would be (as you heal based on your damage). With BP and +10 refines on your weapon, you should be able to solo most of the lower TTs without using a charm or pots. The easiest way for the higher TTs is to drag along a cleric for BB as this effectively doubles your BP healing (so a lvl 59+ cleric should do b:chuckle)

beastmasterjr · April 2012

ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »

Without high refines on your weapon it would be (as you heal based on your damage). With BP and +10 refines on your weapon, you should be able to solo most of the lower TTs without using a charm or pots. The easiest way for the higher TTs is to drag along a cleric for BB as this effectively doubles your BP healing (so a lvl 59+ cleric should do b:chuckle)

What about something like FC? The reason I ask for FC over TT is because I may want to help out some friends by clearing to heads or other things for them etc? BP on them? What about decent refines like 5?

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear · April 2012

4.0 sparked.

First boss in FC in not a problem with bp. Second boss (bubble) is also not a problem if you glitch it. Bishop boss will purge the bp (and other buffs) at some point. Without bp or cleric buffs, you will take in a lot of damage from boss hits & AOE, it will force you to consume on some pots/charm/ToP/SS for survival. And at aps 4.0, some decent refine+5, it will take a long time to kill the boss (could be 2mins+?). It might become a bit costly at this point. After the bishop, you might have to get rebuffed from a cleric/sin alt.

beastmasterjr · April 2012

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

4.0 sparked.

First boss in FC in not a problem with bp. Second boss (bubble) is also not a problem if you glitch it. Bishop boss will purge the bp (and other buffs) at some point. Without bp or cleric buffs, you will take in a lot of damage from boss hits & AOE, it will force you to consume on some pots/charm/ToP/SS for survival. And at aps 4.0, some decent refine+5, it will take a long time to kill the boss (could be 2mins+?). It might become a bit costly at this point. After the bishop, you might have to get rebuffed from a cleric/sin alt.

So if I had a alt sin giving me Bp i would be okay for it (or dragged the sin along for example on ****?)

Edit - that **** is : Bishop?

ItsAWolf - Archosaur · April 2012

beastmasterjr wrote: »

So if I had a alt sin giving me Bp i would be okay for it (or dragged the sin along for example on ****?)

Edit - that **** is : Bishop?

If you have an alt sin, just bring him along. The tank (your barb) won't get purged, so providing the sin can survive the aoes (I think he AoEs, or at least the bishops), you should be fine and won't lose too much in pots / charm.

beastmasterjr · April 2012

ItsAWolf - Archosaur wrote: »

If you have an alt sin, just bring him along. The tank (your barb) won't get purged, so providing the sin can survive the aoes (I think he AoEs, or at least the bishops), you should be fine and won't lose too much in pots / charm.

Thanks mate, that is what I wanted to know, much appreciated for the info

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear · April 2012

I still have a little reservation on wherever 4.0 +5 is enough to paint-heal yourself, especially on long fights. It will not be a pot/charm ****, but you might have to use some pots from time to time, when the bosses use their big AOE/magic attack. Apart from that and the purge issue on bishop boss, every else should be ok if you have bp.

Once you get a good taste of soloing ff, everything up to big room is do-able without charm [just bring a few dozen crab meats and a good genie will be enough].

p.s: Don't forget to buy a bow b:shutup

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · April 2012

4 aps +5 deicides should provide plenty of heals. One benefit of being a barb is we take a fraction of the damage a sin does. So even though we have less damage output and therefore get less paint heals back, we take much less damage overall so those paint heals are enough. Not to mention sparks offering 20% hp heals and 3 seconds resist every 18 seconds. 20% hp every 18 seconds is a good chunk when you have 15k+

Not mentioned is the skill aspect of soloing. Learning to time the bishop boss to spark through his purge (he'll WC a threat first), timing a vac or Violent Triumph to resist the bubble on the second boss, and having the timing to invoke+Sunder+Arma combo on mob pulls is crucial. Demon Sunder really helps, so this should be a goal, as well as demon devour (will cause it to last almost your entire first spark). I do my order slightly different from Magnanimous on bosses. I run up and devour->human-> triple spark. The devour wears off sooner but I have more time triple sparked than he does where he triple sparks->devours->human.

Other skills I use outside of FCC are triple spark->Penetrate Armor->switch to fists during casting animation. If I'm not being lazy I do this after most triple sparks, especially when squaded.

Run up to a kiting mob and alacrity->human->aps. Same can be done with axes->Mighty Swing stun->aps but you should get in a step closer than normal because of the difference in weapon range.

I often will pull about 10 mobs, bestial rage, invoke, sunder, then just stand and aps them in instances. Half are dead by the time invoke wears off and then I'm still 5 aps with paint heals for the last half.

Sometimes I just stay tiger and devour hop. Run to a mob, devour, let another aps kill it since its now attack and defense debuffed while I move on to the next mob.

Sometimes I'll FR a boss once or twice to give me time to devour and triple spark, otherwise casters tend to pull the boss while I'm triple sparking.

If you find yourself without paint and cleric heals you can invoke->stand and aps->Triple spark+aps-> Sunder-> stand and aps-> triple spark-> invoke has cooled down-> repeat. You can get thousands of hp in sunder and spark heals, as well as be invoked a bulk of the time because of unlimited chi.

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