HA Classes

neaderick
neaderick Posts: 28 Arc User
edited April 2012 in Archer
Hi. I'm going back to PWI and I'm kind of leaning towards Archer but one thing keeps bugging me. How does the Archer stand against HA classes? It's no secret Archers are squishy and since HA classes have got tons of physical defense... Is Archer at really big disavantage against BM, Barb or Seeker?

I don't know if I should even bother to ask but how do the Archers stand against Sins?
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    We have metal skills we can use to cut into HA classes and as long as there's no sort of massive gear disadvantage an archer can generally hold their own.


    As for assassins.... if it's 1v1 with equal skill and gear, you're screwed. If you have more skill/better gear/it's a mass PvP situation then your chances of surviving and/or actually killing the sin rise.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    three metal attacks, 4 if you count stormrage eagleon but that isnt really an attack
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  • Arkterix - Archosaur
    Arkterix - Archosaur Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    I love the archer, It's the only class that makes you actually feel like you're hunting your foes. Then again, I really don't do pvp, so I can't say how well archers do. However, archers are NOT squishy. That's a common misconception about the archer. But still, hp doesn't matter if enemies can't even touch you, right? An archer has many stun, slow, & knockback skills to keep enemies away. I would definitely go archer if I were you.
  • Stargleama - Archosaur
    Stargleama - Archosaur Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Oh geez o.o I must disagree. Archers are indeed squishy b:shocked
    Buuuut if you learn where and when to use your skills, you will be just fine. For example, use winged shell when under attack, knockback when a mob gets too close, frost arrow to slow someone down, stunning blast to stun. Knowing when to do these things can help you take less damage. Potions also help too :3

    Overall, archers are huge damage dealers. Just control your aggro when in a squad and you will be okay. In regards in dealing with HA classes, kite them. Slow them down whenever possible, use those metal skills, and get some distance between you and them!

    Sins: b:cry b:cry b:cry They have stealth and really like to get up close. Plus they stun you while you try to run or when you loose arrows at a pitifully close range. Your best bet is to use a skill that gives you temporary immunity to damage. A genie works great here (absolute doman, expel). You also will have wings of grace, winged shell, and your spark for this. It will take practice, but you can do it!
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Stargleama - Archosaur wrote: »
    Oh geez o.o I must disagree. Archers are indeed squishy b:shocked
    Buuuut if you learn where and when to use your skills, you will be just fine. For example, use winged shell when under attack, knockback when a mob gets too close, frost arrow to slow someone down, stunning blast to stun. Knowing when to do these things can help you take less damage. Potions also help too :3

    Overall, archers are huge damage dealers. Just control your aggro when in a squad and you will be okay.

    A few replies to this <_<
    -winged shell is a waste of chi (save it for something good like WoG)
    -knockback arrow doesnt work in pvp
    -frost arrow is a waste of chi (dont need it on mobs, all melee classes use sprints)
    -stunning blast doesn't stun
    -the concept of controlling aggro has been long obsolete
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  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Depends on which HA you're facing..

    Barbarian; I usually try to purge if his HP is to high and then tick his charm before I ZTP kill with metal.

    Seeker; Purge his def lvl then that person is a easy target.

    BM in magic marrow; Aps to death, BM in phys marrow; metal to death.

    All above takes a lot of kiting if its 1v1 and chi burning on their side, BM without chi is a useless BM, barb that cant reach you is a useless barb and seeker...is just useless overal.
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  • Notso - Raging Tide
    Notso - Raging Tide Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Depends on which HA you're facing..

    Barbarian; I usually try to purge if his HP is to high and then tick his charm before I ZTP kill with metal.

    Seeker; Purge his def lvl then that person is a easy target.

    BM in magic marrow; Aps to death, BM in phys marrow; metal to death.

    All above takes a lot of kiting if its 1v1 and chi burning on their side, BM without chi is a useless BM, barb that cant reach you is a useless barb and seeker...is just useless overal.

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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Dylena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    BM in magic marrow; Aps to death, BM in phys marrow; metal to death.

    Yes, APS them to death
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Yes, APS them to death

    With a bow.. *cough*
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    rofl

    APSing might work if you're in TW and there's a barb you can't really touch with metal attacks, and you are 5.0 base with a +10 weapon.

    Other than that, APS is useless.
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  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A few replies to this <_<
    -winged shell is a waste of chi (save it for something good like WoG)
    -knockback arrow doesnt work in pvp
    -frost arrow is a waste of chi (dont need it on mobs, all melee classes use sprints)
    -stunning blast doesn't stun
    -the concept of controlling aggro has been long obsolete

    I think she was mainly talking about PvE.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think she was mainly talking about PvE.

    You don't really encounter "HA Classes" in PvE though.
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You don't really encounter "HA Classes" in PvE though.

    Increase defense ftw.
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  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You don't really encounter "HA Classes" in PvE though.

    unless you're playing grab the aggro with a bm.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You don't really encounter "HA Classes" in PvE though.

    Really? I assumed that mobs have the equivalent of HA, LA, and AA armors.
  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A few replies to this <_<
    1) winged shell is a waste of chi (save it for something good like WoG)
    2) knockback arrow doesnt work in pvp
    3) frost arrow is a waste of chi (dont need it on mobs, all melee classes use sprints)
    4) stunning blast doesn't stun
    5) the concept of controlling aggro has been long obsolete

    1) I actually love starting a 1v1 with this, maybe that's just me though.
    2-5) agree
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    If somehow a barb is the last one standing during a push while we cleared everyone else out of base, I claw the barb to gain chi...it would probably be convenient if someone cast Seal of God on this barb so the whole faction can aps it for chi lol.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    1) I actually love starting a 1v1 with this, maybe that's just me though.

    Just use a defense charm and keep your chi... its kinda redundant to have both imo.
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  • Stargleama - Archosaur
    Stargleama - Archosaur Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    A few replies to this <_<
    -winged shell is a waste of chi (save it for something good like WoG)
    -knockback arrow doesnt work in pvp
    -frost arrow is a waste of chi (dont need it on mobs, all melee classes use sprints)
    -stunning blast doesn't stun
    -the concept of controlling aggro has been long obsolete
    What is say is true, but a low level archer will not be preoccupied with PvP. I was giving advice concerning survival in PvE. A low to mid level archer would have to use skills like knockback, frost, and winged shell to successfully quest and grind without taking too much damage. Next to the amount of damage one takes, chi isn't too significant. And I was referring to stunning shot (the archer skill), not stunning blast. I appreciate the criticism though, it's good to gain another perspective ^^
  • Stargleama - Archosaur
    Stargleama - Archosaur Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    yea I got a bit off-topic xD I was never really into PvP. Still, it's good to know your options
  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Just use a defense charm and keep your chi... its kinda redundant to have both imo.

    I use both of em, winged shell to start a 1v1 since I regain that chi pretty quickly anyway and then defensive charms throughout the rest of the fight.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Winged Shell would save you if it blocks a hit that would've been too fast for Wings of Grace to activate. Sometimes your def charm can be on cool down too. That's all really.

    I wouldn't start with Winged Shell as anything could pop it and then it'd really be a waste...it's useful as a last-ditch defense against a single big hit. A lot of zerk crits can score 10k or more even through a def charm, so the extra defense of Shell is worth considering when you say...think an Arma is coming.
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  • WnbTank - Archosaur
    WnbTank - Archosaur Posts: 1,472 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If somehow a barb is the last one standing during a push while we cleared everyone else out of base, I claw the barb to gain chi...it would probably be convenient if someone cast Seal of God on this barb so the whole faction can aps it for chi lol.

    Oh I giggle when I see anything with Aps triple sparking on me - nothing like hitting roar on that and seeing ppl drop. Unless you got barb locked - fists are a good way to kill yourself. And even if you don't spark - 100% bramble hurts with decent base Aps.
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  • Azuraeclipse - Archosaur
    Azuraeclipse - Archosaur Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    That where critical hits com in and running away really fast LOL Don't pvp with fist or i will slap you! >.< with a bow, stun, and use your metal/lightning attack. should bring them down haha

    Just remember... run away >.>
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Azuraeclipse - Archosaur wrote: »
    That where critical hits com in and running away really fast LOL Don't pvp with fist or i will slap you! >.< with a bow, stun, and use your metal/lightning attack. should bring them down haha

    You're going it wrong. Stun/STA with bow -> triple spark -> fist b:bye
  • AshenSkies - Heavens Tear
    AshenSkies - Heavens Tear Posts: 949 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    You're going it wrong. Stun/STA with bow -> triple spark -> fist b:bye

    I think you meant doing?
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    WnbTank - Archosaur wrote: »
    Oh I giggle when I see anything with Aps triple sparking on me - nothing like hitting roar on that and seeing ppl drop. Unless you got barb locked - fists are a good way to kill yourself. And even if you don't spark - 100% bramble hurts with decent base Aps.

    Why would I spark...I'm trying to get chi...Also yes when 30+ people are walking out of base the barb would be stunned.
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  • Azuraeclipse - Archosaur
    Azuraeclipse - Archosaur Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why would I spark...I'm trying to get chi...Also yes when 30+ people are walking out of base the barb would be stunned.

    I feel sorry for anybody who uses fists in pvp (as an Archer) >.< i've seen so many just flop dead haha

    Oh and btw i purposly didn't add the STA etc because i never have to use them on Reifeil >.< since my lightning attacks crit to much to even bother with STA or stuns. I do use Aim low.
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  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited April 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    -winged shell is a waste of chi (save it for something good like WoG)

    that's an awfully silly thing to say

    winged shell, and that demon melee skill that gives a level 5 version of it, are such nice survival skills imo

    can turn a 30k hit into 700 damage
  • Dylena - Raging Tide
    Dylena - Raging Tide Posts: 1,416 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    I agree with Asty..winged shell is simply a waste of chi, you're better off saving chi for anti stun or anything else for that matter. If you cant equip a defense charm then walk away until you can, you're an archer..your advantage is range.
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