why no 1 wants venos in frost

Try starting a squad?

The reason for that trouble is that a FCC squad has 6 spots. One for tank, one for healer. Then people want a sin and most likely a BM too.
That leaves 2 spots for some other DD.

There's simply more DDs than squads. So you might be better off befriending some people or starting your own squad. Finding a totally random group is hard if you're 'just a DD'. b:surrender

i always liked having venos in FC, especially when the clerics dont use chi pots or master li's technique etc.. to rebuild chi for BB. veno's lending hand is quite valuable there. Parasitic Nova is pretty nice as an aoe too...

All classes are awesome with their own pros and cons. I like venos, bramble, amp, purge, chi giving skills, pets, and numerous others things they do that i can't see. They make everything go faster, smoother. Best is to start your own squads, and if you want to be mean, ask for +12 weapons for sins b:avoid

I've found that most that complain that they can't get any squads, are the kinds that see this:

90 sin LF FC

93 mystic LF FC

94 Barb LF FC

And then do nothing about it. If you want your own squad, scoop these people up and be squad leader. Being lead is the price you play for playing a class that has to compete with almost everyone else for a spot in FC. I mean I sat there for 15 minutes one time talking to my faction and watching a perfect squad worth of people do that before some of them flew away and some of them just logged. I mean, seriously? Is squad lead that bad? Once everyone is invited you pretty much just invite people who dced and thats it. There isn't any drops to bicker over like in TT, and even most hyper babies are capable of doing that instance.

I mean people just want to be take nowadays w/o any effort into getting the sqaud themselves. It drives me up the wall. FC isn't a hard instance to form squads for, most people want to FC. And if they aren't the ones making the squad, and are just looking for a squad. Then chances are they are the same people that just want to run, and don't care that a veno is in squad. SO long as you still got a puller/tank and a healer.

T_i_m - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Many venos don't know what to do in FC anyways. They don't have a heap ton of AOE's and they don't typically go high-dps on bosses. They know how to amp, and sometimes nova a large pull. The rest of the time they spend QQ'ing about being a weak dd, or going afk because they don't know what to do. Particularly on the 2nd boss adds where casters actually fare quite well, or on heads letting cheap xp go to waste. My experience with random venos has been a negative one, so I go out of my way not to bring one unless I know them.

i can say same thing about hiper bm who think the yare rambo with nub gear and try to pull just to die in secunds cos gues what they cant take a beating and expect ep to heal even tho they are weak.

my experience with hiper bm have been down the drain so imma stop inviting bm to party.
so imma do same thing with bm as who need them really aps must have made them god cos they sure suck at the game.

thats okay, when I'm on my archer I go out of my way to specifically not invite 'sins. they all think they are superman pullers and end up getting the squad killed >.>

Idk about the other or your particular situation but me myslef, I won't take venos often simply because most of the venos I'v ran across suck at killing heads. It's really that simple. cast/channel time is so slow they are lucky to kill one head, and I seldom see venos smart enough to level up a cactus to help kill heads.
Venos do just fine in the squad at killing the mobs an boss getting to big room(provided the have at level gear an skills)

The price of being a FC leader is having to pay for the teles It's mostly archers or venos or whatever that make the FC parties as it's their guarantee to get in a squad. The hardest part is keeping the squad together when it's only partially filled (like 2 or 3 members), especially when you're lacking a barb/cleric at the lower levels. I find fish also have a slightly harder time getting into parties as there is so much competition. Once you get into all sin FC party territory it's all easy though

Start your own squad or..if you don't have 2 hrs to look for cleric/barb...do like me: I leveled my veno from 90-99 on merely cube, base quests, morai quests and BH. If you drop morai and base quests cuz you can't at your lvl and your faction doesn't have a base it's fine too. Yes it does take a lot longer but you can still lvl a great deal from cube and BH alone.
Although I do confess that my barb friend helped me a lot in bringing me to FC with him during the 80s lvls.

Also keep in mind what to do in FC as a veno. Aoe on pulls, always have your pet out, amplify the bosses /myriad rainbow. Amplify the elementos at the second boss, give chi. Have a cactus to shoot heads AND get earthquake on genie to kill heads too when you have more than 1 head close around you. You can also tank the bosses even with a glacial walker, for maybe when the barb dies due to poor heals or dc..idk, there's a lot you can do to prove yourself.

I like Venos (not specifically in frost but in general), as long as they know how to play in a squad (which some..don't). Amp makes bosses go SO much faster, and bramble is FTW.

The problem is that people these days are so focused on DPS that they overlook less powerful DDs such as Venos, and slower DDs (Wiz) in favor of higher DPS toons...despite the fact that the former classes may be beneficial. Ever FC with a good Wizard with leveled aoes? b:dirty So easy to do mobs 90+. Yet, people would rather spend 15 minutes WCing for a seeker, when a wiz is looking for a squad right next to them. Or an archer. Or take a second or third sin then there's a veno who might make the squad FASTER due to amp. So it goes.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

thats okay, when I'm on my archer I go out of my way to specifically not invite 'sins. they all think they are superman pullers and end up getting the squad killed >.>

FWIW, it always pissed me off when there was a heavy (Barb, BM) in squad, with plenty of HP (5k hp fail barbs are another topic).......and then the squad wanted me to reverse pull (or even worse, the HEAVY wanted it). My answer: **** no. Kitty, shoo, go pull. /offtopic

Am I missing something or did the way FCC heads are killed change?

EP goes into RB at the center and everyone else uses their bow for heads. (except for the earthguard... they sorta got screwed on that)

Now, IMHO, venos are great to run Frost with. Lending hand helps us EPs when the DDs think that BB is mobile and scream "help me help me" as they run like a chicken with it's head cut off.

As for forming squads... about the only thing I don't like running Frost with is APS toons. Most of them think they are good enough to tank while very few are.

So OP, don't worry... there are plenty of us out there who value venos and we know that at end-game... a good veno is worth gold in TW and a sin is like a 3 day old fish in the sun... they just stink. b:chuckle

veno's like to steal drops,maybe thats why they dont like venos i guess.

idk about you but in ht people actually ask for venos in wc =.=' i've seen in several times in past few months. cos im making a new veno so its quite convenience for me. also =.=' sins likes my veno i get friend requests after ff and get asked to go again when im on veno from sins only tho. i think clerics hates venos cos i get no friend requests from clerics b:sad