Cliche Chars in PWI

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide · March 2012

I'm fealing pissed and reather cranky today -.-' and as such, this is place to relef myself from anger.
All that I personaly like in this game, ppl seems not to like. Maybe i'm playing wrong game, and should quit -.-'
My main char is Sage non aps barb (0.95) wich i like very much. Playing for over 2 years with him. I don't like claw barbs, i don't deny that they make nice dmg, but why making barb if u using fists? Make BM insted >.>
In order to support barb financial, i made cler, wich i also made sage, and like him that way, but ppl seem to be more fond of demon clers for some reason.. aperently they think that they are better DDs than sages, while sage cler's metal mastery gives him more dgm overal than demon >.<. When doing Bh's on cler i die a lot if i have Demon aps Barb in squad

But who cares!!! ppl want 5 APS >.<. Nobody cares that he lacks aggroing skills b:angry
I wanna make sage axe BM, ppl consider it fail. Why?... no fists, no aps b:angry that's why.
I like AOE skills, PPl care only of demon spark and how many aps does BM has . . .
I was thinking of making archer, again sage... I'm not interested in using claws on archer. would go pure dex build 1 - 4 all the way till 100... again.. i want that, ppl want demon 5 APS Demon Claws archer. Again with the question: why making archer if u using Claws??
Beside barb, I like Casters in this game, especialy psy, but then again ppl would reather do Bh with bunch of apsed BMs and Sins than to invite caster in to squad >.>
There was WC today. Were doing nirvana 99key quest. They were looking for Barb. I asked, "u wanna sage barb?" he said "nwm We'll invite sin" and that's not the first time i see ppl seeing Barbs and sins as equal tanks. Since when Sin is same thing as Barb b:angry
To be honest. I'm pissed coz i can't do nirvana, and face it.. that's best place for farming coins. Since i'm sage, I'm unwanted there, and they all know to look for us when they need delta or warsong or some other ****. First thing they look is if i have enough of HP to tank -.-'. I get sick of Delta after 2 Runs, sometimes even before. Some ppl say it's good spot for farming coins.. i don't see it like that. I spend more in there than i make. and stupid delta takes 2 hours to finish, and if squad is not made well, we fail and it's all for nothing.
It's 2x event.. 2 drops i should be happy coz i can do caster Nirvana on cleric and make some profit... and somehow i don't even feel like playing -.-

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear · March 2012

Its just like what I get with my Mystic.

WC'er: LFM BH Metal, need DDs
Me: 100 Mystic -links weapon-
WC'er: Sorry full now
Me: Ok thanks anyway

*2 seconds later*
Same WC'er: LFM BH Metal need DDs only
Me: QQ

Sometimes I don't even bother PM'ing certain people now since I know I'll just get ignored. Welcome to the world of casters my furry friend.

Lenestro - Sanctuary · March 2012

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm fealing pissed and reather cranky today -.-' and as such, this is place to relef myself from anger.
All that I personaly like in this game, ppl seems not to like. Maybe i'm playing wrong game, and should quit -.-'
My main char is Sage non aps barb (0.95) wich i like very much. Playing for over 2 years with him. I don't like claw barbs, i don't deny that they make nice dmg, but why making barb if u using fists? because you can do pulls for groups of mobs and go aps on bosses, thus continuing to do your barb job bake BM insted >.>
In order to support barb financial, i made cler, wich i also made sage, and like him that way, but ppl seem to be more fond of demon clers for some reason.. aperently they think that they are better DDs than sages, while sage cler's metal mastery gives him more dgm overal than demon >.<. When doing Bh's on cler i die a lot if i have Demon aps Barb in squad then he is a fail, and bad example But who cares!!! ppl want 5 APS >.<. Nobody cares that he lacks aggroing skills b:angry derp, cus theyre close to useless sometimes at endgame
I wanna make sage axe BM, ppl consider it fail. Why?... no fists, no aps b:angry that's why. nope, because bms are built best when they can use all four wepons. I thought you were all crazy about playing the correct "role"
I like AOE skills, PPl care only of demon spark and how many aps does BM has . . .
I was thinking of making archer, again sage... I'm not interested in using claws on archer. would go pure dex build 1 - 4 all the way till 100... again.. i want that, ppl want demon 5 APS Demon Claws archer. you can be 5.0 sage while being pure dex Again with the question: why making archer if u using Claws??
Beside barb, I like Casters in this game, especialy psy, but then again ppl would reather do Bh with bunch of apsed BMs and Sins than to invite caster in to squad >.>
There was WC today. Were doing nirvana 99key quest. They were looking for Barb. I asked, "u wanna sage barb?" he said "nwm We'll invite sin" and that's not the first time i see ppl seeing Barbs and sins as equal tanks. sins and barbs arent equal tanks. sins are better. not even close. Since when Sin is same thing as Barb b:angry its not
To be honest. I'm pissed coz i can't do nirvana, and face it.. that's best place for farming coins. Since i'm sage, I'm unwanted there, make your own squad full of casters and vit barbsand they all know to look for us when they need delta or warsong or some other ****. First thing they look is if i have enough of HP to tank -.-'. I get sick of Delta after 2 Runs, sometimes even before. Some ppl say it's good spot for farming coins.. i don't see it like that. I spend more in there than i make. and stupid delta takes 2 hours to finish, and if squad is not made well, we fail and it's all for nothing.
It's 2x event.. 2 drops i should be happy coz i can do caster Nirvana on cleric and make some profit... and somehow i don't even feel like playing -.-

answers in red

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide · March 2012

I'd like to see that better Sin tank do pulls in delta >.>, and u are missing the meaning of word "pure Dex" builded archer.. It means 104 str and rest of stat points on dex at lvl 100. Fists require more than 104 str to be used

Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide · March 2012

All good things must come to an end eventually. You got to learn to leave something before you become bitter about it. Nothing last forever. On the bright side, while you've been playing PW, the gaming world has evolved and expanded. Go check it out.

Euthymius - Heavens Tear · March 2012

Welcome to the world of casters...
At least both are still very much needed for Delta and TW...

Michael_Dark - Lost City · March 2012

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide wrote: »

I'm fealing pissed and reather cranky today -.-'

I couldn't read past this without commenting. Cranky barb? That's a cliche' character in PWI.

b:pleased

Exiirah - Lost City · March 2012

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its just like what I get with my Mystic.

WC'er: LFM BH Metal, need DDs
Me: 100 Mystic -links weapon-
WC'er: Sorry full now
Me: Ok thanks anyway

*2 seconds later*
Same WC'er: LFM BH Metal need DDs only
Me: QQ

Sometimes I don't even bother PM'ing certain people now since I know I'll just get ignored. Welcome to the world of casters my furry friend.

Count seekers in there too. q__q

Saethos - Raging Tide · March 2012

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide wrote: »

I wanna make sage axe BM, ppl consider it fail. Why?... no fists, no aps b:angry that's why.
I like AOE skills, PPl care only of demon spark and how many aps does BM has . . .

This would be great, not enough sage BMs...If my archer turns out to be a success (which is sage) I'm going sage here as well, and just be there for TW...

VKnightV - Lost City · March 2012

1st off to the OP i know how you feel cos i gave myself up on my barb who i payed cash to get good gear to be usefull but dealta as a pullar only really and tw reallly.

so i made ep and now i enjoy it so much better as i buf the non aps comunity
as i ignore the aps fully (well i wish this is true but i am trying to get to 100 so i cant really ignore them but once i reach 100 i will).

atm i dont buff anything aps ( sin.bm.barb and archer who i see go aps).

i am but one person and i know i have no right to tell ppl how they should play there toon BUT it dosent mean i aknowledge them.

i lost friends becouse of this and i am fine as i took down my foot and said if ur my friend you would know i hate aps and you would not get **** about it.

this is a MMO this is meant to be played with many groups designated in different ways.

Baalbak - Dreamweaver · March 2012

Lenestro - Sanctuary wrote: »

answers in red

>.> youre a level 90 wizard with less than 2 years experience. Youve been bred on aps tanks and crazy damage dealers that want to go all out for the sake of making the run faster. In the beginning levels sins don't have jack for tanking ability. Not till they get aps and decent refines. barbs are the intended tanks and have the best ability to control aggro when it really matters. So many times Ive seen sins run up gung ho to bosses like Twilight Emperor and they get rolled. Meanwhile I'm left soloing, sometimes with an archer still standing.

I don't know about the OP, but I'm personally a demon vit axe barb, 330 str with gear adds. I have rank 8 weapon +5 and nirvy/99 golds +5. I'm hitting at 1.18 aps in tiger form dealing full damage - and I can tank harpy wraith much better than an equivalently geared 'sin could. actually.. not toot my own horn or anything - but unless you're an aps monster or rank 9 damage dealer - It's really hard to get aggro off of me. I didn't choose the demon path and aps bonuses so that I could be fist... I chose it because it was the most logical choice to me being barb has already high defenses, but if I'm not doing much damage I can't tank.

I like demon clerics for the demon IHB mostly. As a barb, when it comes down to it and I'm tanking because there's no other suitable tank - i prefer my cleric to be healing me rather than attacking.

Delta wise.. I dont know what to say man. Are you doing the run charmed? If so thats where your expenses are going if you're ticking a lot. I do full spawn point deltas uncharmed and always walk away about 3 million coins richer.

Barbs are a dying breed though. whenever I'm on an alt that im trying to FC, its rare to find one. most of the time when you do - they don't know the first thing about pulling. they just run through mobs and come back to bb. If I wanted someone to do that i'd have asked for a sin or something >.> I can't blame people for not asking for barbs much anymore though.. not after seeing the new generation of them in action. Finding a good barb that can make the difference is a rare find these days.

MistressLuna - Heavens Tear · March 2012

I do not wish to read past the point of Cler and DD

Clerics are not DDs and aren't to be played as one. They're the support class. This game and it's new community pretty much ****ed the gameplay and charm of perfect world. I just can't make myself come back to actively play this.

HexOmega - Dreamweaver · March 2012

you cant beat them, join them

make an assasin/bm yourself
also make sure its on a different account

play your barb in BH/TW/PK/Stuff
play your sin/bm in farming instances

pie

bm using every weapon is actually quite entertaining to play
and why decline high DPS?

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · March 2012

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Barbs are a dying breed though. whenever I'm on an alt that im trying to FC, its rare to find one. most of the time when you do - they don't know the first thing about pulling. they just run through mobs and come back to bb. If I wanted someone to do that i'd have asked for a sin or something >.> I can't blame people for not asking for barbs much anymore though.. not after seeing the new generation of them in action. Finding a good barb that can make the difference is a rare find these days.

Uh, good luck with that.

Oh, wait... This is the time where FCC is only actually done as a squad run when you're 85+. Even then, you'd be hard pressed to find a Sin or Archer that could actually withstand the damage that mobs do in a good sized FCC pull, that well built Vit Build Barbs can handle in the low to mid 70's.

I have done many odd things with my characters. Survival build Archer/Sin, both of which are sage. Demon Str Barb. AA, LA, and HA Veno builds. I did a TT2-2 on my Barb tonight, and instead of pulling the 'real wurlord' I just tanked all of them. Wurlord oneshot my Sin, Archer, and even my BM at 95 in 2-2.

I know how to play my characters. But then, I don't even bother doing FCC or leveling up lately because I don't have the time.

Empu - Sanctuary · March 2012

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its just like what I get with my Mystic.

WC'er: LFM BH Metal, need DDs
Me: 100 Mystic -links weapon-
WC'er: Sorry full now
Me: Ok thanks anyway

*2 seconds later*
Same WC'er: LFM BH Metal need DDs only
Me: QQ

Sometimes I don't even bother PM'ing certain people now since I know I'll just get ignored. Welcome to the world of casters my furry friend.

You know, I never invite those who link me their weapon especially for bh...

Last time bh metal, I wc'ed something like "need 4 DD for bh metal, at boss. no invite = full sorry" (was on cleric + barb). The number of weapon links and "r9 *insert random class*" was making me go crazy.

But I know how what you mean. Between my sin and my barb, I know the difference of threatment depending on class. For my cleric I understand, cause I fail bigtime as magic class b:laugh I don't really understand the fuzz about aps barbs, because I find them rather useless (after trying it out on my own barb). Not to mention 90% of the aps barbs on Sanc are really fail : they don't have the gear to pull at 3 base vit and become those "1-at-a-time-or-I'll-die-b:shocked" chickens that don't even know what healing aggro is.

I'm currently soloing most bh till the needed boss and then just fill squad, usually with friends and sometimes with wc. Saves a lot of time actually b:laugh

Baalbak - Dreamweaver · March 2012

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Uh, good luck with that.

huh? not sure why that comment. in fact, not sure if you're responding to me or trying to follow up on what i said. perhaps you mistook what i said. My comment was that people dont know how to pull. example given.. a barb with high *** hp and great gears just running through mobs not attacking not doing anything, runs back to bubble and the cleric goes splat. when i see a barb do that my first thought is "i may as well have brought a sin.." b/c any class can do that. people these days sadly do single groups at a time at 90+ b/c people just dont understand how to pull proper. Barbs should invoke and frighten/sunder/something before coming to bb, dont just run through stuff because then you are wasting all that hp... at which point a squishy sin is just as effective of a fail puller, making everyone else have to work harder at staying alive. but hey... anyone can use alpha male, and thats all you really need to do before you come back to bb.

thats essentially the point i was trying to make in that last paragraph. who wants to take a barb that doesn't know what they are doing, when they can take a sin that does know what they are doing and isnt afraid to use a bit of genie augmentation to aid in aggro retention before returning to bubble. thats why assassins are viewed by a lot of people as equal or better tanks than barbs... because people haven't had much exposure these days to a real barb that knows how to play.

all the barbs that are still active today should look at this as a challenge, not a discouragement. step it up and show the squishy apsers you really are the better tank. mind you this barb still has to tank slasher boss in nirvy for the squishy apsers i run with, all because they can't tank the hits like i can - and die easy with no cleric.

Cinderball - Raging Tide · March 2012

This new community is merely the aftermath of PW's horrible management of the game since the rising tides expansion by allowing event gears and rank to harm the game so much. Pretty much every physical class has to go APS to be able to remain competitive and casters had to have a special nirvana made just to be able to farm. Re-rolling to a different class or re-statting to aps only adds to the problem. The revamp for Nirvana and TT only made things worse since you now need high APS to effectively farm the mats for APS gears. I don't see what is so wrong about being able to play one's class the way it was intended to be played but the most profitable instances simply won't allow it.

Heck, if I weren't a merchant with such a great faction I would have quit as soon as I hit 100 after I experienced how hard it is for a non-aps sin to get a squad for anything. I'm a 2.0 sage HA sin with G15 dags and I certainly don't get nirvana or TT 3-x squads. Finding SoT/Aba and just about everything else can also be a pain with everyone asking for APS these days. Even so, I still love the game and manage to have lots of fun playing it. I despise what this whole "APS or gtfo" system has done to this game in the past few years. If I were to go APS, I'd feel as if I were further contributing to killing the game I enjoy so much.

Yuna_Sama - Heavens Tear · March 2012

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Its just like what I get with my Mystic.

WC'er: LFM BH Metal, need DDs
Me: 100 Mystic -links weapon-
WC'er: Sorry full now
Me: Ok thanks anyway

*2 seconds later*
Same WC'er: LFM BH Metal need DDs only
Me: QQ

Sometimes I don't even bother PM'ing certain people now since I know I'll just get ignored. Welcome to the world of casters my furry friend.

That's why i always make my own squads... I got the same problem on my Veno... And aside from cleric & tank (Barb/Seeker) I try to take as many classes as possible... Yesterday I made a squad with 1 cleric, 1 seeker, 1 BM, 1 Archer, 1 Psy and myself as Veno... It wast the fastest squad I ever saw in metal... Some classes are just greatly underestimated...

Mystics are great to have as a DD... The Cleric can take it a little easier because of your support and you also make great DD's... Just do the same when it's Metal and make your own squads... Only cost you 1-2 tele's not more (at least no wine costs)... And then you can make an awesome squad that does allow multiple classes... b:victory

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide · March 2012

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Delta wise.. I dont know what to say man. Are you doing the run charmed? If so thats where your expenses are going if you're ticking a lot. I do full spawn point deltas uncharmed and always walk away about 3 million coins richer.

I don't use charms, not fond of them coz they cost much and clerics tend to be lazy when they see charmed barb, meaning that they stop healing and rely on charm
and for the earning in delta, at end of it i never get shards, just coins, very rarely get OBP, wich means that i can profit only on MTF, but even their price went down a lot. Idk how much they are on your server, but on RT they are around 50k each. . .
Thankfully i have good defence and enough HP so i don't use crab meat either, but repairs go to 200k sometimes, +mp pots coz i'm a bit skill spamer, don't belong to lazy type of barbs that just pull mobs and wait for DDs to finish the mobs.
So it comes that after 2 hours of delta when i repair gear and refill mp pots i used, my income is around 500k.. not realy worthy of doing >.<

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide · March 2012

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

huh? not sure why that comment. in fact, not sure if you're responding to me or trying to follow up on what i said. perhaps you mistook what i said. My comment was that people dont know how to pull. example given.. a barb with high *** hp and great gears just running through mobs not attacking not doing anything, runs back to bubble and the cleric goes splat. when i see a barb do that my first thought is "i may as well have brought a sin.." b/c any class can do that. people these days sadly do single groups at a time at 90+ b/c people just dont understand how to pull proper. Barbs should invoke and frighten/sunder/something before coming to bb, dont just run through stuff because then you are wasting all that hp... at which point a squishy sin is just as effective of a fail puller, making everyone else have to work harder at staying alive. but hey... anyone can use alpha male, and thats all you really need to do before you come back to bb.

thats essentially the point i was trying to make in that last paragraph. who wants to take a barb that doesn't know what they are doing, when they can take a sin that does know what they are doing and isnt afraid to use a bit of genie augmentation to aid in aggro retention before returning to bubble. thats why assassins are viewed by a lot of people as equal or better tanks than barbs... because people haven't had much exposure these days to a real barb that knows how to play.

all the barbs that are still active today should look at this as a challenge, not a discouragement. step it up and show the squishy apsers you really are the better tank. mind you this barb still has to tank slasher boss in nirvy for the squishy apsers i run with, all because they can't tank the hits like i can - and die easy with no cleric.

I totaly aggre with this, I'm no expert, but i play over 2 years with my barb and when i'm on my cleric i don't see good barbs often. Bunch of them don't know what to do, or how to play their class even. Because of that I rarely manage to get Delta BH done, coz 90% of the barbs suck big time >.<

To add to aps craze.. it's not comletely players fault, as balls said PWI staff made it that way too. When it comes to TT 3-2 or 3-3 it's imposible to kill bosses without 5 aps sins and BMs. If u went in there with axe BM and few casters u could spend all day in there and you wouldn't even manage to get half of their HP before bosses wipe your squad.
It make's me think that pwi wants as all to go aps >.>

chowchowhound · March 2012

i have seen some cliche NAMES that's for sure

LeGolas ..gimme a break
sauron

why arent any lame-o's named gimli?

chuck norris is there.

fuzzy or furry or w/e anything like that in the name of a cat type toon redefines lameness..oh how original, and there are a ton of them.

Nymphali - Dreamweaver · March 2012

@Pazi_Ujedam I'm a sage sin and won't go back. b:bye

A sage bm can reach 5.0 aps base easily, as well as a sage Assassin. As well as sage pure barbarians will rock at tw when claw barbs will suck at it.

Just look around and see: There some areas you're undervalued and some areas you'll always be overvalued. Make your build thinking on that.

A sage sin like me will perform a better pvp/tw role than pve, as I have 100% seal, more chi gain with less spending, higher crit chances with powerdash and a 50% subsea strike, but I will never get over 4.0 aps and will quickly open hand of 4.0 to get 2.86 r9, happily, as I'll be supplying all major cities graveyards with the corpses of my enemies b:victory

In theory, sages rock at pvp and demons at pve. Nothing else to add.

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