Are Barb's (The real tank) still even needed as of this day?
Lhirikoh_WB - Sanctuary
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In my honest words a barb is needed in most situations. Barbs can tank, barbs can wreck havoc, and barbs can save lives in the land of Pan Gu.
Sage Tank Barb and proud of it. b:pleased
Sage Tank Barb and proud of it. b:pleased
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It depends what your talking about doing and what stage of the game.
End game - Barbs are needed in TW certainly, but mostly as a catapuller. Delta too they are great, though with a good squad of other classes they are not as vital as they used to be. Nirvana, well lets just leave that alone shall we?...
However when it comes to other stuff and tanking things like BHs, barbs just don't hold aggro over aps classes well enough to be considered a tank any more. Unless you are a 5aps demon clawbarb, but thats more a BM with higher HP and defenses and no stun/HF imo. And even then a good sin is likely to pull aggro in my experience.
If it was changed so barbs could hold aggro better they would be more of a tank, certainly end game. However with things as they are now I'd say sage barbs are more a puller than a tank - sins/bm tank 1v1 better and a seeker with BP AoE tanks better.
And btw I have a sage barb that i'm levelling and I love it b:victory0 -
_Belgarion_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »It depends what your talking about doing and what stage of the game.
End game - Barbs are needed in TW certainly, but mostly as a catapuller. Delta too they are great, though with a good squad of other classes they are not as vital as they used to be. Nirvana, well lets just leave that alone shall we?...
However when it comes to other stuff and tanking things like BHs, barbs just don't hold aggro over aps classes well enough to be considered a tank any more. Unless you are a 5aps demon clawbarb, but thats more a BM with higher HP and defenses and no stun/HF imo. And even then a good sin is likely to pull aggro in my experience.
If it was changed so barbs could hold aggro better they would be more of a tank, certainly end game. However with things as they are now I'd say sage barbs are more a puller than a tank - sins/bm tank 1v1 better and a seeker with BP AoE tanks better.
And btw I have a sage barb that i'm levelling and I love it b:victory
this^^
I believe you kind of missed the point in my post, I'm sorry. The point is that they are still needed.0 -
No barbs arent needed for PvE anymore but respect to the new players still making them[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
_Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
_mg_zr_ - level 100 demon Blademaster
|\/|erlin_ 7x Wizard
Makaveli_ - 8x Harshlands sin0 -
_Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »No barbs arent needed for PvE anymore but respect to the new players still making them
No they are needed.0 -
Loooool whats wrong with heavens tear were soft and cuddly.Lhirikoh_WB - Sanctuary wrote: »No they are needed, perhaps you and the rest aren't looking hard enough for a faction that likes barbs or a squad that's in need of an actual tank. Of course your from heavens tear serverb:sad
As much as you want barbs to be needed for endgame PvE they arent bms and seekers can tank everything a barb can. ffs even AA's can tank some of the stuff
I am in a faction that loves barbs
Your from sanctuary........ um and that has anything to do with anything what server your from?
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_Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
_mg_zr_ - level 100 demon Blademaster
|\/|erlin_ 7x Wizard
Makaveli_ - 8x Harshlands sin0 -
Your avatar says it all[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
_Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
_mg_zr_ - level 100 demon Blademaster
|\/|erlin_ 7x Wizard
Makaveli_ - 8x Harshlands sin0 -
Lhirikoh_WB - Sanctuary wrote: »No they are needed, perhaps you and the rest aren't looking hard enough for a faction that likes barbs or a squad that's in need of an actual tank. Of course your from heavens tear serverb:sad
If Barbs were so needed, would you even be having this conversation ?
The only instance where Barbs are indispensable is TW. Everywhere else (including Delta), squads can get by without them. Not saying that it won't be nice to have a Barb. In Delta my Seeker absolutely loves Barbs since things go much safer and I don't have to worry about fail BMs who have delusions of grandeur when it comes to pulling. b:shutup
However at the end of the day if a squad can't find a Barb, they aren't going to spend an hour on WC looking for one like in days gone by. They'll make do with a BM, Seeker or highly refined Sin as the replacement tank depending on the type of instance they are running.
So no... in general Barbs are not needed. If you have to blame someone, blame PWI and the imbalances they introduced between the classes which encourages the elitism you see today among the player base..0 -
well I wanted to encourage that barbs are needed to this day, but all you guys say in reply they aren't needed.
I like to call a closure to this thread if possible.
PS: sorry for wasting forum space, and all of you misunderstood my post.0 -
Its not that we didnt understand your post but it kinda contradicted your thread title.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
_Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
_mg_zr_ - level 100 demon Blademaster
|\/|erlin_ 7x Wizard
Makaveli_ - 8x Harshlands sin0 -
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To the OP why are you even 101 and you joined last month? ROFL Powerlevel much?
I have been playing for over 3 years now and I can tell you got tons to learn bro.
I'm also on HT like Mg, and I will give you 10mil if you can find 10 decently gear "tank" barbs on the server. Most are now inactive with TT90 armor, I switched to aps barb.
Yes there are fail aps barbs and thats what people like to hear.
I'm a competent both aps and tank barb and I can out DD 5.0 BM +10 easy and im 4.0 +7 Nirvana Claws and Demon Poison Fang.
People always think BM>Barb but Good Barb WHO CAN PLAY > Bm/Sin (Evenly geared).
I even beat a 4.0 R8+10 sin lol.
Tank barbs aint needed except RB and higher TT's0 -
_Synergy_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »To the OP why are you even 101 and you joined last month? ROFL Powerlevel much?
I have been playing for over 3 years now and I can tell you got tons to learn bro.
I'm also on HT like Mg, and I will give you 10mil if you can find 10 decently gear "tank" barbs on the server. Most are now inactive with TT90 armor, I switched to aps barb.
Yes there are fail aps barbs and thats what people like to hear.
I'm a competent both aps and tank barb and I can out DD 5.0 BM +10 easy and im 4.0 +7 Nirvana Claws and Demon Poison Fang.
People always think BM>Barb but Good Barb WHO CAN PLAY > Bm/Sin (Evenly geared).
I even beat a 4.0 R8+10 sin lol.
Tank barbs aint needed except RB and higher TT's
Thats the date he first posted... If you look at his core profile he got to level 90 on 5/26/11...Mains:
Doom_Panda- 102/101/102 R9 3rd cast Demon Barb 40k HP.
Dawnx - 100/85 Demon Cleric.
PsychicTuna- 101/100 Sage Psychic.
DawnMyst- 96 Demon Mystic.
PANDAS FTW. AND I b:heart ARMA! b:avoid0 -
Doom_Panda - Harshlands wrote: »Thats the date he first posted... If you look at his core profile he got to level 90 on 5/26/11...
many thanks doom, I made this toon around Feb. last year btw to get a fresh start in Sanc server. I never added him as my forum avatar, nor bothered making a post.0 -
Are any classes really still "needed"?
I'd say barbs are needed and more appreciated than any other class than clerics.
Yah, some get screwed out of Nirvanas but even some vit barbs find spots for their buffs and as a devour **** and that's probably the instance (excluding caster vana) they're least suited for.
~We don't hold the title "tank" always, but thats just a pride thing. I'm an aps barb with G15 claws so I can outtank 99% of sins still, so as an aps barb I still hold the title of tank even if vit barbs cant.
~I have a level 100 seeker and have done my share of pulling and trust me, barbs are way better at pulling. Some need a little help killing the mobs at the end but we should be able to hold aggro until everythings dead.
~For aoeing or zhening, we may not be the best tanks, but its not like we're fail at it either. I can Sunder+Arma in 5 seconds of DD what a seeker/wizard would take 30 seconds to do dredling.
~And is there another class nearly ask scary in endgame PvP as a fully decked out barb? I remember listening to two of Sanctuary's best PvPers, both +12 R9 JoSD, playing around and practicing in friendly PvP. They had to practice together because no one else could compete. And they went back and forth, the psychic winning, then the barb, then the psychic. Someone asked "who usually wins" and they agreed it was about even unless the barb used his lvl 100 skill because he could one shot the psychic through white voodoo and so he wasn't allowed to use it. Most classes can never even kill an endgame barb in 1v1 and at best can hope for a stalemate.
I get that Lhikiksidfikoh_WB wants us all to rally together and shot "YES WE ARE" to his post of 'are we needed' and seemed to get upset when we said not really. The fact is when everyone can tank anything we either need bosses that require 30k+ barbs (and then 98% of barbs couldn't tank them either) or we need to accept there is nothing special about us that other classes can't achieve with better gear. We still have great buffs, we can be great dds, we have a ton of survivability, we increase the speed of runs with large pulls, we save squadmates and make things go smooth, we can debuff mobs and bosses, but no we are not needed we are just useful.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »~And is there another class nearly ask scary in endgame PvP as a fully decked out barb? I remember listening to two of Sanctuary's best PvPers, both +12 R9 JoSD, playing around and practicing in friendly PvP. They had to practice together because no one else could compete. And they went back and forth, the psychic winning, then the barb, then the psychic. Someone asked "who usually wins" and they agreed it was about even unless the barb used his lvl 100 skill because he could one shot the psychic through white voodoo and so he wasn't allowed to use it. Most classes can never even kill an endgame barb in 1v1 and at best can hope for a stalemate.
A full r9 +12 Psy losing to a barb? pls tell me that is a joke b:shocked0 -
Barbs are good pullers and good tanks ,
With the new skills that are in and the skills to be put in we should return
to a full tank status but for now our role is lead puller buffer.
I am a sage barb with ( finally ) both sage buffs and have no problem finding a squad
in most things except Nirvana ( but go plenty of times with the faction)
i'm not a fan of a claw barb because i feel if you want claws go BM (or the crazy
Archers on the server that make it work well)
but its nice to have a mix of different classes, i run with a Demon Vit barb from time to
time and a Demon claw barb so Barb's are very versitile
From day 1 i wanted to be r8 (r9 is too far away and expensive)
We are the best pullers and good tanks when not faced with a r8 Recast or a r9 class
Don't expect to be the head DD. but being a barb is very rewarding19k Hp and rising my goal is 20k unbuffed (would love 25k )0 -
im making a barb to help my faction with tanking there fb's and etc
i mean cmon..u say u have seekers and bms
but can they turn into effing tigers? HELL NO
barbs > all
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