Bramble
Greenscorpio - Heavens Tear
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I start this post coz i got tired of all the qq i made so far and all the submited tickets. Nothing happens, no1 cares..... Its not fair for us, venos, to have a skill, cast it and just having it on coz it looks pretty. I am angry and dissapointed coz nobody does a jack to make venos bramble work in pk. Fine, we can purge others, they buff back and all happy. But our bramble doesnt work in pk and psychic have unpurgeble buffs...not to mention how OP they are. GG ! I ask for a simple thing. Make the damn bramble work in pk and dont come up with,, oh, u can use bramble hood,, ,, ohh, u can get the morai bramble,,. I want bramble, veno skill since.....2008. I want my skill to work, else i dont see the use of having it, learning it at lvl 16, leveling it and paying.......load of coins to get the demon version.
Do something abt it.....serious. Why would u give us a skill that doesnt work in pk when all the others do? b:angry Thats the only buff we have, make it work all the damn time.
* P.S. forgot to mention that the mystics get pets. We venos had to buy them, with loads of coins. 400$ for nix/herc if i recall. They dont have to lvl them like we did, pay for them, only for demon/sage versions. None of the pets we can tame have those awesome abilities. We were used to be called OP( back in the days ofc), now we are most outdated class. we cant heal, have clerics/mystics for that. Insane dmg...aoe, wizzy and archers, even seekers, we are not needed to lure, genies do that, sins/bm,s barbs can tank anything. So...whats our use? Cant see any right now and its all due to the fact that no1 did anything to improve the venos. All the classes have something...but no, not the venos. Whats next, taking bramble from us in tw too? no, let me guess...making us pay 800$ for our pets just to be forced after to make a r9 sin coz no1 needs venos anymore.....
Do something abt it.....serious. Why would u give us a skill that doesnt work in pk when all the others do? b:angry Thats the only buff we have, make it work all the damn time.
* P.S. forgot to mention that the mystics get pets. We venos had to buy them, with loads of coins. 400$ for nix/herc if i recall. They dont have to lvl them like we did, pay for them, only for demon/sage versions. None of the pets we can tame have those awesome abilities. We were used to be called OP( back in the days ofc), now we are most outdated class. we cant heal, have clerics/mystics for that. Insane dmg...aoe, wizzy and archers, even seekers, we are not needed to lure, genies do that, sins/bm,s barbs can tank anything. So...whats our use? Cant see any right now and its all due to the fact that no1 did anything to improve the venos. All the classes have something...but no, not the venos. Whats next, taking bramble from us in tw too? no, let me guess...making us pay 800$ for our pets just to be forced after to make a r9 sin coz no1 needs venos anymore.....
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I'm agree with what you say. All skills work in PK, bramble why not? it's like if stealth worked only in PVE .. All sins how would they react?0
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I agree tottaly with you. Venos are the olny class that have a buff doesn't work in pk. Psy have reflect, mist have a relfect from the pet, and work in pk, but our reflect no, WHY?
Our reflect is very OP? sins will suicide more? The physical classes are made in the game for pvm and instances, and magical classes for PVP. sins are phys class, i don't worry i do not care if he will suicide more, he can use the invisible and try kill me again. There aren't no causes to nerf the relfect in pk, he will help very much in the pvp and, imagine a wizard, veno, cleric with this buff he can kill a phys class more easy.
THIS IS A VERY VERY VERY VERY **** AND INJUESTICE WIITH THE VENOS. We are the only class without buffs in pk. And we are the class most copied for the new classes.
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The bramble nerf was way before the tideborns ever existed.
It was the good old time back in like 2008 when venos with Nixes were considered Ultimate PK machines and nerfing bramble was a move to balance the class a bit.
Ofc things have now changed , while venos do have a full working bramble skill with the Descent expansion relying on Soulforce isnt the best thing.
Good grief Hood's dmg reduction still works[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Haven't been paying attention to the Morai threads? We're getting a reflect that works in PK.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Are you crazy? Blazing barrier is a terrible reflect. cooldown: 60 seconds. duration: 15s. This isn't a reflect, 15s is a litle time, and 60s is a long time. A sin for example will use the invisibility and wait the reflect disappear to attack again. This is the worst reflect that we have. The bramble guard is our reflect, blazing barrier is a reflect for emergency, because it reduce the damage 30%, so if you don't have two spark you use the blazing to protect you and you can use the wind shield in daimon to get 45 - 50% redution.
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the short duration and almost 2 seconds of cast time makes the morai reflect skill almost useless. but on balance, being able to put reflect on anybody would cause way too much QQ in pk, the best fix imo, would be to make bramble cast 2 effects on venos, an pve and a pvp reflect, and if put on any other class, only pve reflect, kind of the way bloodpaint discriminates between classes.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Frankie's avatar is a veno and veno is the worst class right now in game ijs...
We USED to be good because we were a "jack of all trades" class but now that another class comes and takes that from us. What do we have left? NOTHING.
We didn't and don't have any especiality because we were the most versatile class but now WHAT? WHAT NOW?
Don't come to me with: Oh Amp oh Purge BLAH BLAH BLAH with that you're only telling devs that we are fine as we are, and WE ARE NOT. Im not ok with only 2 facking useful skills.
If we are really the debuffing class then why the hell do the cleric seals work better than our debuffs? Apart from the myriad one which is like what? 20% chance? we don't have any magic defense debuff. Ofc we have the pet one but then again Cleric's one is 4% better and using a pet to debuff is NOT good.
And then our pets...Yes we were an unique class for having pets but don't make me get into the mystic thing...They DD better than us a R9 mystic mistress is WAAAAY better than a nix and it can get into instances...(Another thing that bothers me air pets not gettin into instances >,>) Tanky pets? Grinding with a sin is way faster and efficient and who the hell lets a veno tank in a squad? As you can see the veno class is VERY outdated class right now. Don't come at me with wizards are the worst blah blah blah, they still have the best nukes which IS their especiality but venos what do we got????
Just admit it we only get invited into nirvys and FC's because we have tails...0 -
Cazane - Dreamweaver wrote: »Frankie's avatar is a veno and veno is the worst class right now in game ijs...
We USED to be good because we were a "jack of all trades" class but now that another class comes and takes that from us. What do we have left? NOTHING.
We didn't and don't have any especiality because we were the most versatile class but now WHAT? WHAT NOW?
Don't come to me with: Oh Amp oh Purge BLAH BLAH BLAH with that you're only telling devs that we are fine as we are, and WE ARE NOT. Im not ok with only 2 facking useful skills.
If we are really the debuffing class then why the hell do the cleric seals work better than our debuffs? Apart from the myriad one which is like what? 20% chance? we don't have any magic defense debuff. Ofc we have the pet one but then again Cleric's one is 4% better and using a pet to debuff is NOT good.
And then our pets...Yes we were an unique class for having pets but don't make me get into the mystic thing...They DD better than us a R9 mystic mistress is WAAAAY better than a nix and it can get into instances...(Another thing that bothers me air pets not gettin into instances >,>) Tanky pets? Grinding with a sin is way faster and efficient and who the hell lets a veno tank in a squad? As you can see the veno class is VERY outdated class right now. Don't come at me with wizards are the worst blah blah blah, they still have the best nukes which IS their especiality but venos what do we got????
Just admit it we only get invited into nirvys and FC's because we have tails...
I agree with everything this post says. Venos are sorely underpowered in this imperfect world.0 -
I don't worry with instances, pvm... I love pvp. But i agree with you say cazane, we don't have anything special, the reflect and the pets were the only special thing that we had, so now the reflect is nerfed, and other classes have pets (summons), but the nix continues defeating a lot of players in the pvp.
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Although I wouldn't go as far as saying venomancers are useless now, I will have to agree with a few things stated. Many other classes have debuffs and sometimes are better than ours. Pets hardly play any role as of now (unless you still solo stuff, I do) etc.
I absolutely love debuff-type classes and this is why I love the venomancer class so much. The only thing I'd ever suggest would be to get better debuffs. Considering that people now have better weapons than 2 years ago, sometimes venomancer debuffs aren't really necessary. If we'd get an improvement to our debuffs (also add in a couple of AOE debuffs besides Myriad), I bet they'd have more demand.
I can't say that I get rejected but I know many venomancers that do. Then again, there's a whole lot of bad venomancers out there who don't know how to play.[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »The bramble nerf was way before the tideborns ever existed.
It was the good old time back in like 2008 when venos with Nixes were considered Ultimate PK machines and nerfing bramble was a move to balance the class a bit.
Ofc things have now changed , while venos do have a full working bramble skill with the Descent expansion relying on Soulforce isnt the best thing.
Good grief Hood's dmg reduction still works
1) we arent in 2008 anymore hun
2)i dont want to waste 2 sparks for a bramble and wait for CD, i want my not so OP anymore bramble. I want my demon bramble, the reflect from it instead of a cheap as$ 15 sec one.
3) Now that they improved all classes, its time they do something for venos....since we are and were
the most expensive class ( pet wise=400 damn $)
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4) Raged y-day and started to get mystic to play, she is r9 only with ring. In this moment, with same point distribution and nirvana +10 gear, +11 wep, she does more dmg than my full r9 veno ( also used plants to debuff). What is perfect in ur world devs? Coz venos sure arent. Also, nix lives less than my demon salvation on mystic. Wow, that was..unexpected. What do we have to do to be taken into consideration? We are ppl who pay u nvrtheless, dont forget that. ( if u dont think, check my charging history post). I only ask my original bramble skill.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Greenscorpio - Heavens Tear wrote: »1) we arent in 2008 anymore hun
3) Now that they improved all classes, its time they do something for venos....since we are and were
the most expensive class ( pet wise=400 damn $)
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1) Yup i do acknowledge that , it was a statement of why the bramble was nerfed.
Of course things changed now , but they still didnt do anything for it.
3) while no one forces you to get a legendary pet. maybe except some TW factions who want nixes , indeed Venomancer is the last class to benefit fully from rank 9 , as many other ornaments are necessary to get the power other classes get and ofc course there is no Rank HA for veno available so Foxies have to get extra refines tomes shards etc.
But they don't care anyway , and they won't do something in the near future.
If the game i wait for to be releases was out i would quit PWI any day.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »Although I wouldn't go as far as saying venomancers are useless now, I will have to agree with a few things stated. Many other classes have debuffs and sometimes are better than ours. Pets hardly play any role as of now (unless you still solo stuff, I do) etc.
I absolutely love debuff-type classes and this is why I love the venomancer class so much. The only thing I'd ever suggest would be to get better debuffs. Considering that people now have better weapons than 2 years ago, sometimes venomancer debuffs aren't really necessary. If we'd get an improvement to our debuffs (also add in a couple of AOE debuffs besides Myriad), I bet they'd have more demand.
I can't say that I get rejected but I know many venomancers that do. Then again, there's a whole lot of bad venomancers out there who don't know how to play.
Exactly
Also make bosses defenses better so the need to get them debuffed would go up and up. If we get the improvement and no raise on the bosses defenses then the game PvE would be a freaking joke XD. Also that would make the damn sins balance a little more. A raise on defense and also on attack...And give us attack debuffs. The problem with our class is that the devs gave to our pets all the debuffs WE should get. Our pets should be purely for DD and tank like mystic summons are. The debuffs should go to the venomancer. The pet gets the magic defense debuff the pet gets the phy. and mag. attack debuff. Please just please even if they cost 100mill each one in the next expansion GIVE US DEBUFFS!!!!
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I don't know if you noticed but we broke, run away with the central issue of this topic, but the bramble's nerf is a polemic subject so it involves many questions.
I have nothing to complain in the pvp with my veno veno except the brmble doesn't work in pk. But your suggestions are pvm, more debuffs, debuffs in AoE, amp improved... Yes i also believe that the veno's upgrade should be in the pvm now, i like the ideas, many times our debuffs are totally unecessary, but it help, more debuffs for the venos is essential.
Another point that i like is the fact of our pets have the most buffs and debuffs, and the mystics he absorves buffs from your summons, this will be good if we absorve part of the pet's buffs, and the howl threaten... we can use without the pet. I will like too if we gain more skill buffs for the pet how the natural sinergy, this will improve our interaction with the pets,
All the descent's changes are pvp changes we need Pvm changes too and the bramble working in pk.
@Edit:They could do the bramble work in pk, while the blazing barrier reflect magical damge, another melee damage's reflect is horrible.0 -
No, pvp changes are necesary, we need that buff in pk coz we have no other. Now its not all about farming and tw-ing, we got to the point when game got boring and pk, at least in my case, is 80% of ingame time( 40 mins lol). Regardles the other buffs u guys suggested and that i find rly interesting, we need bramble to work in pk since its the only skill we can use. Happened to me so many times to go out west Arch, cast bramble..only had bramble on me and be killed. Why?Coz bramble is nothing. No mag def, no psy def..no nothing. If bramble doesnt work we are...kinda naked if no other ppl to pk with online. This is why i find it so necesary. Alco, would be a smart idea for devs to actually bother and read this, to realise that PWI is more about what we want/expect than abt what they want. or they can leave things like this and loose more players.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »Haven't been paying attention to the Morai threads? We're getting a reflect that works in PK.
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Hmmm, i know a veno who definitely said she does more damage with her veno (same build, same gear) than with mystic. Have you ever seen anybody satisfied with his dmg? b:laughGreenscorpio - Heavens Tear wrote: »4) Raged y-day and started to get mystic to play, she is r9 only with ring. In this moment, with same point distribution and nirvana +10 gear, +11 wep, she does more dmg than my full r9 veno ( also used plants to debuff).
If you want more vitality, go for full vit build and wear pdef rings. HA veno is kinda obsolete now. Players getting better equips, its already extremely hard to kill anyone (decently equiped ofc) being full vit. At least you can restat any time. But HA veno's job is purging, amplifying, running and hiding b:bye Why to spend so much money for that and use top rank gear? hh99+10, bramble hood, ironguard, you are finePhoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »...there is no Rank HA for veno available so Foxies have to get extra refines tomes shards etc.
We still have amplify which stack with other debuffs of that kind. Its not archers or spear bms purge cata barbs, but venos. Our foxform is unpurgable. We get more hp per lvl and per vit than any other mage. Etc.Although I wouldn't go as far as saying venomancers are useless now, I will have to agree with a few things stated. Many other classes have debuffs and sometimes are better than ours. Pets hardly play any role as of now (unless you still solo stuff, I do) etc.
You know, its very very bad. This means we will never get nonstop working bramble again. Abscence of reaction could at least mean they are thinking it. But implementing blaizing barrier actually means "here you go and gtfo".Haven't been paying attention to the Morai threads? We're getting a reflect that works in PK.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SerenityMare - Dreamweaver wrote: »+1
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You feel so pro going around forums and giving short answers to make everyone look noob.
If you take time to READ the posts you would notice that we already know that. And that we already stated that Blazing Barrier SUCKS! b:angry0 -
Now i'm indecisive pvm changes are good, but pvp changes are necessary too, yes I was wrong pvp changes are more necessary than pvm i will edit this.Marengo - Lost City wrote: »You know, its very very bad. This means we will never get nonstop working bramble again. Abscence of reaction could at least mean they are thinking it. But implementing blaizing barrier actually means "here you go and gtfo".
Sincerely i HATE this new reflect, but i want what you say is not true (i want). Our refelct is only melee damge, only physical melle damge, ONLY. The psy reflect is superior than our relfect, because reflect magical, physical damage and debuffs, while the bramble is ONLY MELEE damage, a archer attacking with a bow the bramble will not relfect. Why can the psy use his reflect in pk and the venos cannnot? Why the developers doesn't nerf the psy? WHY???? Psy'relfect is more OP than our reflect. I'm not satisfied with blazing barrier. I want my bramble working in pk. Who agrees with me?0 -
dupethefile wrote: »Now i'm indecisive pvm changes are good, but pvp changes are necessary too, yes I was wrong pvp changes are more necessary than pvm i will edit this.
Sincerely i HATE this new reflect, but i want what you say is not true (i want). Our refelct is only melee damge, only physical melle damge, ONLY. The psy reflect is superior than our relfect, because reflect magical, physical damage and debuffs, while the bramble is ONLY MELEE damage, a archer attacking with a bow the bramble will not relfect. Why can the psy use his reflect in pk and the venos cannnot? Why the developers doesn't nerf the psy? WHY???? Psy'relfect is more OP than our reflect. And the mystic, he have a summon that has a reflect buff and this reflect works in pk but our reflect doesn't work. I'm not satisfied with blazing barrier. I want my bramble working in pk. Who agrees with me?
I agree...period. But as you SHOULD be able to see in my BUGGED avatar my main was a mystic and she's high enough to know that there isn't any reflect skill on any of our summons. But ya you're right about the psy one altho at least it consumes a lil amount of MP b:surrender0 -
Really? So i have confuded with another buff, desconsider this i will editCazane - Dreamweaver wrote: »I agree...period. But as you SHOULD be able to see in my BUGGED avatar my main was a mystic and she's high enough to know that there isn't any reflect skill on any of our summons. But ya you're right about the psy one altho at least it consumes a lil amount of MP b:surrender0 -
guys
i want my bramble work in pvp too ofc. But that will never happen. Find ways to be competitive in pvp, it is possible.
Imagine all the coward fishes qq if bramble would work.
But imagine also all the hyper fc lvled noob venos who would act like uber pros at west gate without even knowing their class.
We cant ignore the facts.
pwe created tideborns and made them op for only one reason. for the money. and no qq about broken game, broken classes, unfair pvping will change that.
pwe never cared about game balance and they never will.
I love my veno, it will always be my main and when i look at harshlands, there are more venos back ingame then monthes ago. looks like they noticed that we are still a competitive class.
u have 2 options:
A) play your veno, enjoy it.
if u dont like how things r goin...roll other class.
Best thing would be a fish, cs him/her r9, join catalyst (on harsh xD), act uber pro and stealth camp ppl at west gate.
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Marengo - Lost City wrote: »We still have amplify which stack with other debuffs of that kind. Its not archers or spear bms purge cata barbs, but venos. Our foxform is unpurgable. We get more hp per lvl and per vit than any other mage. Etc.
Hence I said "I wouldn't go as far as saying venomancers are useless" xD I know very well what a great asset we are. The problem is that the others don't know.
It's just a natural evolution of a game. As stronger weapons are available, people kill faster. Certainly we can make it go even faster but sometimes it's not a necessaity. This is why I believe venomancers should have had an improvement in their debuffs over time.
I just always look towards what could be improved to classes lol since I'm also planning to make an MMORPG in the future. Already have a few people in the team and have various concepts done. I still love venomancers nevetheless b:dirty .But implementing blaizing barrier actually means "here you go and gtfo".
To be honest, I did get some sort of similar feeling from that. Not that I am complaining (I don't PvP often) or anything but it's just beyond me as to why they had to make a whole new reflect skill when they could revert the old one back to normal. I understand why they did it back then but now people have better gears and all..if you get my point XD[SIGPIC]http://i.imgur.com/MtwcqjL.png[/SIGPIC]
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_Morigan_ - Harshlands wrote: »guys
i want my bramble work in pvp too ofc. But that will never happen. Find ways to be competitive in pvp, it is possible.
*sigh* you are all predictable XD
Get a group of venos from all servers to spam the tickets and give a GOOD reason for bramble to get working in PvP if you can do that they should all listen!!!
Yes we get eaten in the dust by dumb fisshyyss and people... Yes we can avoid not having bramble.
But atleast complain to the GMS in the tickets service ****. They have to listen and NOT ignore e-mails.... Its a policy, if they do that its not very workmenshiply nice XD
I'm HA build i dun need bramble but i will still complain if there are enough people about it. Explain why we need bramble and say that we wan't our only buff to work. Even if its bramble hood or something etc.0 -
ok i understand the bramble debate very well... there have been MANY times where bramble could have saved me from a stun locking sin... venos are far from defenseless but having our key buff disabled does nerf us quite a bit. plus with the "defense mode" on our pets not able to work in PvP means that we can't PREVENT a sin stun lock with our nix's stun... this means... sins 2 spark in stealth > HH > aps us to death cause of no bramble >stealth again... yep fair as can be in the pk world... but that's why i'm on a PvE server b:pleased don't like pk move here... can't handle not having a buff? stay in SZ until you get your cleric+bm+barb buff and still get killed from the same sin...
now on the other hand bramble not working is good for everyone... think about a fight between your friend's barb and a r9 sin... you want to help so you buff your friend... poof the barb wins and the sin QQs because of bramble... fair fight? nah not really... bramble is wonderful and deals a ton of damage to the attacker, and it can save cata barbs and cata clerics in TW if they are attacked by a sin from stealth (cause r9 sins can kill EVERYONE now even full R9+12 josd barbs -.-). it's still a valuable buff but only for instances and TWs so be happy it stills works b:cute plus psy reflect isn't as powerful as bramble and it can't crit, bramble can crit (i've seen my bramble crit sins for 7k before... it's a very powerful buff) so don't think you are useless, venos make or break TWs with purge and amp, but also their aoe skill nova can do wonders and their pets harass clerics very well... we are far from useless.
i'm never quitting my veno she is my pride on this game... b:cute and i'll never give her up[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
~Fear the Fox~
at the end of the day... idc if i'm "pro" or have the best gear... cause i know i'm an awesome veno cause i pour my heart into my character and give her life
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Reifeil - Archosaur wrote: »Look this may do JACK **** but....
Its a start right?
As i have been reading for the past few days about Bramble this and Bramble that and venos quitting because they wanted to PK with bramble!
If people cooperate with it it may or may not work.....
Yes i'll get to the point...
If you really are actually pissed about bramble not working ( not that i am really i'm HA veno ) But Get enough people to actually SEND a ticket and EXPLAIN why us veno's need bramble back. I keep seeing less and less venos play now a days and it is very upsetting
and not complain on the forums.
Yes where one shots against archers etc... and ranged classes but being killed by FISH that we should be eating! i mean come on! we need to complain about helping us and not having that dumb morai reflect thats useless...
PWI may even get more money from it if they brought the bramble back. Venos use to be popular..... now their all dead and only a few are actually still alive.
(just saying)
But if we venos want our only buff to work then tell them and don't spam it in the forums... ACTUALLY GO UP AND SEND A TICKET DEMANDING IT!
If they won't give bramble back now for us to make it work atleast let them give us a reason! for it to not be working....
(as i said i'm never using bramble except for tw XD and i'm HA so its all good XD)
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Even if i have to put something together with venos wanting bramble i'll even send it into the gm's if i has to >.<
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SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »the short duration and almost 2 seconds of cast time makes the morai reflect skill almost useless. but on balance, being able to put reflect on anybody would cause way too much QQ in pk, the best fix imo, would be to make bramble cast 2 effects on venos, an pve and a pvp reflect, and if put on any other class, only pve reflect, kind of the way bloodpaint discriminates between classes.
I like how this works tbh.
If bramble in pk mode only effected US in PvP would be so much better tbh >.<
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I don't see any connection between my reply and your answer. What isn't true?dupethefile wrote: »Sincerely i HATE this new reflect, but i want what you say is not true (i want).
Psy reflect is lame, relax. Psychics are strong (if refined well) but not because of Soul of vengeance.dupethefile wrote: »Our refelct is only melee damge, only physical melle damge, ONLY. The psy reflect is superior than our relfect, because reflect magical, physical damage and debuffs, while the bramble is ONLY MELEE damage, a archer attacking with a bow the bramble will not relfect.
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Why can the psy use his reflect in pk and the venos cannnot? Why the developers doesn't nerf the psy?
Do you, guys, seriously care about anybody's QQing? b:laugh Thats just funny xDFoxchu - Archosaur wrote: »now on the other hand bramble not working is good for everyone... think about a fight between your friend's barb and a r9 sin... you want to help so you buff your friend... poof the barb wins and the sin QQs because of bramble... fair fight? nah not really...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Just low the reflect % for PK
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Cazane - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's just sad. Someone tries to unite venos in one thing and there's always a dumbass that comes up to say that we will never get it and that we are ok as we are, when we ARE NOT.
Bramble in PK should be implemented and that is all >.>
I just hate pesimist people *cough*Morigan*cough*
I haver to agree with you there...
I have actually been trying (for a very long time) to get bramble back up to being pvp but people won't co-operate and complain they won't get it.
DO SOMETHING! if you all want it so badly do something about then QQ'ing on the forums >.< This has been going on since Bramble was nerfed in pk.0
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