Poll : Most Dis-Advantaged Class...

Apostasy - Raging Tide
Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
edited May 2012 in Arigora Colosseum
In all honesty, I hear so many complaining that "that class is op" or "that one", for pk'ing... But... Which is supposedly the least op, the MOST DIS-ADVANTAGED CLASS IN PK?... I would love to know... b:surrender

In replies with answers to this question, I would also like to know WHY...

***I do want to make sure everyone sees the "NEW" postings based on the rankings... # 17 on page 2 has been edited... Barbarian (#1 most disadvantaged), Blademaster (#2 most disadvantaged), Cleric (#3 most disadvantaged) based on overall rankings across the five main / older servers...
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Post edited by Apostasy - Raging Tide on
«1

Comments

  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The most disadvantaged class in PK: Anything that isnt an Assassin.
    Reson: Because they arent Assassins.
    b:pleased
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Remember: OP may be a duck|OP/GMs/Devs may not deliver|Search function is your friend|Lurk more|Be wary of Mods: they can't be trusted|This place isn't a hugbox|Your tears sustain me|Know what Bait is|"Soon" may never come|Postcount, Dubs, and other GETs are important|Don't revive long dead threads|There is a section for everything|You can be banned for anything|No Fun Allowed outside of OT|Sweetiebot rules OT|"Circlejerks" are inevitable|Threads can be derailed and saved|Those who use"XD" should off themselves at their earliest convenience|
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Clerics.

    They hit like **** even with MM mode.

    They have no anti-stun (I think)

    They kinda need Plume 24/7

    Sins will just wait for Plume to CD and then aps **** them to death. And even WITH Plume not on CD we can stun-lock and 3 spark and then they'll still die regardless.

    Since BMs have magic marrow they're going too hit pretty low on them (I know they have a skill or two that does physical dmg, but I think it's relatively weak anyways)

    Clerics and barbs are in favor of the cleric (in human form) since theie mdef is complete ****, but if they waste the freeze skill that they have, i'd say that they're screwed again because barbs are probably gonna use Mighty Swing to lock the cleric up, use Penetrate Armor and then proceed to Arma and kill them. BUT then again clerics have WoP and another skill I can't remember to reduce dmg......so it could go either way, but I'd say it's in the clerics favor.....also there's always the barb going in Tiger form and using Invoke if they have the sparks.....

    They suck against venos.

    They're not that bad against psys, but still suck.

    They suck against seekers.

    They suck against mystics.

    Etc etc etc.


    I'd explain those too.....buttttttttt i'm in school atm and I only have 5 mins left in the library. b:laugh
  • AssVioIator - Harshlands
    AssVioIator - Harshlands Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    ima go with cleric
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Blademaster....cause even with r9+12 and JoSD in the sockets they can still be killed in one-hit or stunlocked to death and killed.

    Add in how many **** BM's have popped up lately...ugh...justs proves my point more.
    Nothing worthwhile to mention here, enjoy the animated signature~

    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    Blademaster....cause even with r9+12 and JoSD in the sockets they can still be killed in one-hit or stunlocked to death and killed.

    Add in how many **** BM's have popped up lately...ugh...justs proves my point more.

    That's crazy........you have MARROW, ijs.
  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    archer... sins come close to archer... u know why? because we wear ****ing light armor, the worst defense ingame... we can't kill heavies before they kill us and the arcane robe users just kill us in one hit. even worse, that archer do half damage at close range, meaning we are ****ed when we are reached. tell me one not cash shop sin or archer every do anything successful in PK :(
  • _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear
    _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear Posts: 562 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I went with Venos because the pets now a days arent much of an advantage. They dont hit as hard as other magic classes, they dont have as many control skills as other classes. Their buff is useless for PvP.
    And to all people saying clerics i would disagree because i 1v1ed a r8 cleric and i can honestly say its the hardest fight i ever had.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    _Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
    Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
    _mg_zr_ - level 100 demon Blademaster
    |\/|erlin_ 7x Wizard
    Makaveli_ - 8x Harshlands sin
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I went with Venos because the pets now a days arent much of an advantage. They dont hit as hard as other magic classes, they dont have as many control skills as other classes. Their buff is useless for PvP.
    And to all people saying clerics i would disagree because i 1v1ed a r8 cleric and i can honestly say its the hardest fight i ever had.

    Venos buff is useless for PvP? Since when is bramble considered useless?

    60% melee damage return (75% if demon) isn't exactly what i'd call useless in PvP. It's actually VERY effective against aps classes which rule the PvP scene. And don't even let me start talking about bramble hood......


    YOU'RE A BARB of course you're gonna have a hard time against a r8 cleric. b:angry
  • _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear
    _Mg_Zr - Heavens Tear Posts: 562 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Venos buff is useless for PvP? Since when is bramble considered useless?

    60% melee damage return (75% if demon) isn't exactly what i'd call useless in PvP. It's actually VERY effective against aps classes which rule the PvP scene. And don't even let me start talking about bramble hood......


    YOU'RE A BARB of course you're gonna have a hard time against a r8 cleric. b:angry
    Last time i checked bramble guard doesnt work in PvP. Soulburn or a good zerk crit is the best cure for aps :p
    What does being a barb have to do with not being able to kill a cleric? When i fought him i think i only got like 3 hits in the whole fight. After losing like 500k hp on my charm i said i couldnt be bothered to keep fighting
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    _Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
    Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
    _mg_zr_ - level 100 demon Blademaster
    |\/|erlin_ 7x Wizard
    Makaveli_ - 8x Harshlands sin
  • krittycat
    krittycat Posts: 4,187 Community Moderator
    edited March 2012
    A lot of those numbers are highly skewed due to the infamous "kill-farming" that some PKers like to perform... logging on an alt, going to an obscure part of the map, and then just spam-killing that alt. It adds to their K/D as well as their total kills, thus rendering those numbers irrelevant.b:chuckle
    krittycat.gif
    BLR Forum Moderator
    Get the Forums Enhancement Extension!
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The person who holds the record of highest K/D ratio is a level 87 archer on Lost City.
    Clearly he is the most formidable PKer in all of PWI. I'd hate to run into him.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Refining Simulator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/refiningsimulator.html (don't use IE)
    Genie Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html - (don't use IE)
    Socket Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Demon_troll - Harshlands wrote: »
    archer... sins come close to archer... u know why? because we wear ****ing light armor, the worst defense ingame... we can't kill heavies before they kill us and the arcane robe users just kill us in one hit. even worse, that archer do half damage at close range, meaning we are ****ed when we are reached. tell me one not cash shop sin or archer every do anything successful in PK :(

    evidentally you have never seen wytche or jekel.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    KrittyCat wrote: »
    A lot of those numbers are highly skewed due to the infamous "kill-farming" that some PKers like to perform... logging on an alt, going to an obscure part of the map, and then just spam-killing that alt. It adds to their K/D as well as their total kills, thus rendering those numbers irrelevant.b:chuckle

    I thought killing the same person would only count 3 times per hour.
  • Nana_PL - Raging Tide
    Nana_PL - Raging Tide Posts: 208 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Every sin can be good in pvp cuz all we need to do is stealth, stun and aps to death XD but every other class requires skills and experience. I don't think any of those classes is the most dissadvantaged, we could have this argument forever.. Barbs and their low dmg, clerics and their VERY low hp and def... venos and their **** mag dmg compared to all other casters, archers with their low def and being forced to keep their distance with the opponent. When it comes to PK and pvp i guess classes like Sin, BM, psychic and seeker will always remain the harder ones to kill, but as I said it all depends on your skill and experience. You can be a r9 +12 sin or seeker but if u suck, u suck and u'll still get your *** kicked =p
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    "You know, they say when you fall, it's best to fall straight to the bottom. And the further you have to crawl back up, the stronger and greater you will become as a result."
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    *The following is a study and ratings listing as considered based on the official PWI Rankings, and takes into account the highest ranked and the 5th best from each of the "available" classes. Those classes not yet available are Seeker and Mystic, as these have not yet been around a long enough time to show their full potentials. Seekers are beginning to make their way into the rankings however, and it can be assumed Mystics will soon follow suit.

    What would happen if you restrict your rankings to servers that started after the RT expansion? The numbers on PVP servers are dominated by individuals who specialize in killing lvl 30 characters so I'd throw out most of those stats as junk data.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Refining Simulator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/refiningsimulator.html (don't use IE)
    Genie Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html - (don't use IE)
    Socket Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The following is a study and ratings listing as considered based on the official PWI Rankings, and takes into account the 1st ranked and the 5th ranked from each of the "available" classes. Those classes not yet available are Seeker and Mystic, as these have not yet been around a long enough time to show their full potentials.
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ... Restrict rankings to PvE servers ... The numbers on PVP servers are dominated by individuals who specialize in killing lvl 30 characters so most of those stats are useless data.

    PVE Server Rankings Include: Heavens Tear, Sanctuary, Dreamweaver, Raging Tide, Archosaur (the Ratings Per Server may also be found below it's title).

    Average of Ratings : Class : (Kills) (KvD) COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]Overall[/COLOR ...Lower numbers reflect better rankings...

    Archer : (10.4) (13.0) [ 23.4 ]
    Wizard : (19.9) (14.7) [ 34.6 ]
    Assassin : (18.6) (25.8) [ 44.4 ]
    Psychic : (31.8) (24.4) [ 56.2 ]
    Venomancer : (52.1) (36.5) [ 88.6 ]
    Cleric : (50.0) (53.7) [ 103.7 ]
    Blademaster : (56.0) (53.6) [ 109.6 ]
    Barbarian : (59.9) (63.9) [ 123.8 ]


    **The following ratings per server have been here listed, and have been acquired through the following methods :

    1. Kills : Based on 1st and 5th PvP Kill rankings of each class... these ranking numbers were added together and divided by half...

    2. KvD : Based on 1st and 5th KvD rankings of each class... these ranking numbers were added together and divided by half...

    3. Overall : Based on adding both "Kills" and "KvD" together...

    Heavens Tear

    Wizard : 11.5 (2 – 21) 5.0 (1 – 9) [ 16.5 ]
    Archer : 10.5 (3 – 18) 18.0 (8 – 28) [ 28.5 ]
    Venomancer : 27.5 (9 – 46) 12.5 (7 – 18) [ 40.5 ]
    Assassin : 26.0 (8 – 44) 44.5 (3 – 86) [ 70.5 ]
    Cleric : 28.0 (1 – 55) 44.5 (21 – 68) [ 72.5 ]
    Blademaster : 23.5 (5 – 42) 52.0 (11 – 93) [ 75.5 ]
    Psychic : 36.5 (10 – 63) 51.5 (6 – 97) [ 88.0 ]
    Barbarian : 54.0 (7 – 107) 106.5 (69 – 144) [ 160.5 ]

    Sanctuary

    Archer : 4.5 (1 – 8) 16.5 (13 – 20) [ 21.0 ]
    Wizard : 19.5 (5 – 34) 7.5 (5 – 10) [ 27.0 ]
    Barbarian : 27.5 (3 – 52) 27.0 (4 – 50) [ 54.5 ]
    Venomancer : 43.0 (16 – 70) 29.5 (3 – 56) [ 72.5 ]
    Psychic : 52.5 (14 – 91) 26.0 (1 – 51) [ 78.5 ]
    Assassin : 46.5 (19 – 74) 41.5 (18 – 65) [ 88.0 ]
    Blademaster : 48.0 (30 – 66) 61.0 (25 – 97) [ 109.0 ]
    Cleric : 61.0 (39 – 83) 61.0 (15 – 107) [ 122.0 ]

    Dreamweaver

    Archer : 6.5 (2 – 11) 12.5 (7 – 18) [ 19.0 ]
    Assassin : 7.5 (1 – 14) 19.5 (1 – 38) [ 27.0 ]
    Wizard : 21.5 (13 – 30) 11.0 (3 – 19) [ 32.5 ]
    Blademaster : 36.0 (15 – 57) 29.0 (2 – 56) [ 65.0 ]
    Psychic : 45.0 (8 – 82) 26.0 (8 – 44) [ 71.0 ]
    Venomancer : 48.0 (37 – 59) 43.5 (15 – 72) [ 91.5 ]
    Cleric : 73.0 (40 – 106) 47.5 (4 – 91) [ 120.5 ]
    Barbarian : 114.0 (56 – 172) 83.5 (42 – 125) [ 197.5 ]

    Raging Tide

    Psychic : 7.5 (1 – 14) 6.5 (3 – 10) [ 14.0 ]
    Assassin : 7.0 (2 – 12) 11.5 (1 – 22) [ 18.5 ]
    Archer : 21.0 (15 – 27) 10.5 (4 – 17) [ 31.5 ]
    Wizard : 17.0 (3 – 31) 19.0 (5 – 33) [ 36.0 ]
    Barbarian : 44.5 (19 – 70) 44.0 (11 – 77) [ 88.5 ]
    Venomancer : 71.5 (35 – 108) 31.0 (7 – 55) [ 102.5 ]
    Cleric : 46.5 (13 – 80) 59.0 (23 – 95) [ 105.5 ]
    Blademaster : 83.5 (40 – 127) 63.0 (29 – 97) [ 146.5 ]

    Archosaur

    Archer : 9.5 (2 – 17) 7.5 (2 – 13) [ 17.0 ]
    Assassin : 6.0 (1 – 11) 12.0 (4 – 20) [ 18.0 ]
    Psychic : 17.5 (7 – 28) 13.0 (1 – 25) [ 30.5 ]
    Wizard : 30.0 (3 – 57) 31.0 (3 – 59) [ 61.0 ]
    Cleric : 41.5 (32 – 51) 56.5 (17 – 96) [ 98.0 ]
    Barbarian : 59.5 (22 – 97) 58.5 (30 – 87) [ 118.0 ]
    Venomancer : 70.5 (14 – 127) 66.0 (14 – 118) [ 136.5 ]
    Blademaster : 89.0 (52 – 126) 63.0 (5 – 121) [ 152.0 ]

    ***For the most part, these lists show some of the most skilled players in pvp... I can attest to that as having watched, spoken with or even scrapped with some of them... even in cases of the few that may have multi-killed alts, the method taken into consideration here should provide accurate results to the initial question...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands wrote: »
    evidentally you have never seen wytche or jekel.

    no...... and i have seen sins in west, 3 sins try to kill one seeker and 2 of them die :/ i heard the seeker and one of them sins were r9 :(... i won't bother to talk about archer... especially me.
  • SpazzMcAps - Harshlands
    SpazzMcAps - Harshlands Posts: 2,561 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Jekel is full recast r9+12 and jekel is +12 r9 with josd
  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    jekel have 2 r9+12? oh fu.... wytch??? so much money spent...... fuuuuu!!
  • Amea - Heavens Tear
    Amea - Heavens Tear Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    I voted cleric for the same reason as someone else did, their damage sucks xD. I think if we had some sort of anti stun skill I'd pick a different class but yeah...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    There can be no darkness without light, for without the other, the first cannot be understood. They always work in perfect balance.
  • Demon_troll - Harshlands
    Demon_troll - Harshlands Posts: 622 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    wait a sec... i thought pve servers don't pk -.-"
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Everyone just ignore demon lol.

    Ok so by the looks of it clerics really aren't the most dis-advantaged class in PvP.

    Honestly surprised to see BMs at the bottom of the list overall, but I guess it's because they're such a hard class to master overall in PvP, so to all the BMs out there that can hold their own against everyone else in PvP, kudos to you lol. b:victory

    And it looks like RT has the best psys in the PWI community since they're number 1!!! :D
    Or maybe people in RT just aren't knowledgable enough to properly deal with psychics and get facerolled. b:cry (Soul of Silence is OP at r9 +12, ijs. XD)
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ... it looks like RT has the best psys in the PWI community...

    It does look that way... it makes me think I wanna roll a psy in heavens tear tho b:chuckle
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Jesusisback - Raging Tide
    Jesusisback - Raging Tide Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    If all the pro psys in RT moved to HT, those stats would change from psys being almost at the bottom to them hitting the top 3 in a matter of months. XD
  • Crystyl - Dreamweaver
    Crystyl - Dreamweaver Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    The winner isn't in the list. The "idiot" who pwrleveled and has no clue how to play his class. b:chuckle
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Actually the Mayans predicted the end of Twinkies!
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited March 2012
    Lol a GM voted Assassin. What a troll.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Refining Simulator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/refiningsimulator.html (don't use IE)
    Genie Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/geniecalculator.html - (don't use IE)
    Socket Calculator - aster.ohmydays.net/pw/socketcalculator.html
  • VitalityX - Lost City
    VitalityX - Lost City Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    BM's are at a disadvantage I think; they are good for support damage, with APS and stunning, being annoying... but Marrow puts them at a disadvantage one way or another and they don't have the HP to survive certain gank attacks.

    I love BM's and what they do, but they'll never have the outstanding K/D ratios in PK
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Seekers rule!
  • Azura - Lost City
    Azura - Lost City Posts: 2,281 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Venos are the most disadvantaged.

    1. The get less magic attack per magic point than all other caster classes
    2. Venos really need their pets to make up for the lack of magic attack, but they die way too easily and are not all-terrain
    3. Their bramble doesn't work in pvp...
    4. The only defense buff we have is fox form, but if you are into magic you won't be able to be in fox form all the time
    [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=929114001&dateline=1398892224[/SIGPIC]
  • balafre
    balafre Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    Azura - Lost City wrote: »
    Venos are the most disadvantaged.

    1. The get less magic attack per magic point than all other caster classes
    2. Venos really need their pets to make up for the lack of magic attack, but they die way too easily and are not all-terrain
    3. Their bramble doesn't work in pvp...
    4. The only defense buff we have is fox form, but if you are into magic you won't be able to be in fox form all the time

    79 imune skill + ironguard + antistun fox form= can run from anything...
  • Apostasy - Raging Tide
    Apostasy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,197 Arc User
    edited April 2012
    I do want to make sure everyone sees the "NEW" postings based on the rankings... # 17 on page 2 has been edited... Barbarian (#1 most disadvantaged), Blademaster (#2 most disadvantaged), Cleric (#3 most disadvantaged) based on overall rankings across the five main / older servers...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

Categories