Experimenting a different BM build
Cody_tylor - Sanctuary
Posts: 248 Arc User
My BM is currently LVL54, I have no leveled him once since I came back from a long break from the game, I will take a break once again (real life reasons). That's not the point here, so I am moving onto the topic at hand.
There are the old builds for BM, 2.5/3 STR, 1/2 DEX and 0.5/1 VIT every level, usually the build is recommended for 3 STR and 2 DEX every level. My BM is a dual-sword user as a main weapon (dual swords, devil hunter's swords), pretty much the best choice for me because it helps me survive the best. I do have back weapons as Sound chaster for AOE and Lotus Malevolence for chi / cancelling magic. So his build is currently 2.5 STR, 2 DEX and 0.5 VIT,
The new build I would like to try a new build which uses 5 weapons, which are blades / swords, spears, claws, dual axes and bows. I have calculated the build, which can be quite a while to build and may take some practice with the new build since I am used to classes that have VIT on it, so I may re-stat to 2.5 STR/DEX every level. I currently will cap him at level 85
LVL70 LA / bow
http://pwcalc.com/2b146374eee290dd
LVL70 HA / axes
http://pwcalc.com/780cb5788de51301
LVL80 LA / bow
http://pwcalc.com/f74762f5f25ade68
LVL 80 HA / axes
http://pwcalc.com/78fa3d1b63bc79f0
I would like to know if anyone have tried this build before. I would like to see how this will work out in the future when I play my BM again after I get my werefox to level 80 for farming.
There are the old builds for BM, 2.5/3 STR, 1/2 DEX and 0.5/1 VIT every level, usually the build is recommended for 3 STR and 2 DEX every level. My BM is a dual-sword user as a main weapon (dual swords, devil hunter's swords), pretty much the best choice for me because it helps me survive the best. I do have back weapons as Sound chaster for AOE and Lotus Malevolence for chi / cancelling magic. So his build is currently 2.5 STR, 2 DEX and 0.5 VIT,
The new build I would like to try a new build which uses 5 weapons, which are blades / swords, spears, claws, dual axes and bows. I have calculated the build, which can be quite a while to build and may take some practice with the new build since I am used to classes that have VIT on it, so I may re-stat to 2.5 STR/DEX every level. I currently will cap him at level 85
LVL70 LA / bow
http://pwcalc.com/2b146374eee290dd
LVL70 HA / axes
http://pwcalc.com/780cb5788de51301
LVL80 LA / bow
http://pwcalc.com/f74762f5f25ade68
LVL 80 HA / axes
http://pwcalc.com/78fa3d1b63bc79f0
I would like to know if anyone have tried this build before. I would like to see how this will work out in the future when I play my BM again after I get my werefox to level 80 for farming.
WTB PWI 2008 where people were thinking more about doing good rather than pretending to be.
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There are a couple high dex Bms around that use a similar build. Its normally for two reasons, they have an archer or a sin and want to use their already refined gear, or they want an endgame bm that can use a purge or -int bow.
The first reason is more common, heck there are a few LA barbs around that have +10 LA equip and didn't also want to refine HA gear. They do have high hp but take more damage than the average barb.
Will this build work? Yes, but it won't be the most effective. Your pdef is poor, your mdef is poor, your damage is poor, your crit rate is only slightly higher, and your triple sparked dps will be about the same. Your golden bell and marrows will be less effective because you will have less of a defensive base. It will take you longer to kill things because of your lack of str (all your melee weapons are based off of strength for damage) and so you'll take more damage while killing slower.
If you are doing this for more mdef from LA, just switch out your ornies to be mdef and use the CoA rings. If you are doing this because you want to use bow, a level 42 penetrator combined with farstrike/drake's ray works pretty well. Plus, bm's rarely use bows for longer than a couple seconds. No point basing a build off it. If you are doing this for a higher crit rate, you are sacrificing dph on every attack for a 1-2% higher crit rate, for an overall loss.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
The str is too low this bm will fail. Anyways using a bow u can only kill someone whom u outgear only. The only way i seen a bm get kills fom a bow is by sparking but when a bm sparks the rest of the classes would just laugh yl they kite or use there own spark to kill u.current pwcalc.com/ecccbccc47400382
aiming pwcalc.com/5ac2ca79fcef8da4
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Saku summed it up perfectly.
If you want to be a special snowflake...go for it. But in the end you may be looked at funny, like the sword only, or pole only BMs.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
The games all about having fun. This is my build http://pwcalc.com/440c52b61d6ff548.
Enough dex to use pretty much any bow in the game, and enough str to still use R9 axes if I ever get them. I like having a higher crit, higer accuracy, and higher evasion. Trust me that evasion has saved my life more times than I can count. I like hitting people with my lunar bow for lulz, and I use it to kill harpies in FC. I also use the bow to kill those dang kiting mobs in morai.
Now I've done the math, if I put that 100 extra dex into str I will do 17.5% more dps unsparked. However when demon sparked that dps falls all the way down to just a 2.5% difference. 2.5% is really not much of a difference for me to care. However if I ever do become a serious pvper I WILL restat my dex to str.0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »The games all about having fun. This is my build http://pwcalc.com/440c52b61d6ff548.
Enough dex to use pretty much any bow in the game, and enough str to still use R9 axes if I ever get them. I like having a higher crit, higer accuracy, and higher evasion. Trust me that evasion has saved my life more times than I can count. I like hitting people with my lunar bow for lulz, and I use it to kill harpies in FC. I also use the bow to kill those dang kiting mobs in morai.
Now I've done the math, if I put that 100 extra dex into str I will do 17.5% more dps unsparked. However when demon sparked that dps falls all the way down to just a 2.5% difference. 2.5% is really not much of a difference for me to care. However if I ever do become a serious pvper I WILL restat my dex to str.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
_Mg_Zr - level 100 sage Barb / level 101 demon r9 aps barb on Harshlands
Mg_Zr - level 100 demon Psychic
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I have magic marrow on in that link. Take it off and phys def is 11.2k. Also I'm only wearing R8 ring, I had another refined lunar ring but I lost it in pk a long time ago and can't be bothered to buy another one.0
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Chu, I honestly can't fault the build with the bottom line: "The games all about having fun. "
I think I said it before, I like efficiency and pushing limits with the best gear/playstyle I can manage. If you want something different, like a high crit LA build - if thats fun for you, go for it.pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f50 -
That's why I'm in the process of making a 5 aps venomancer as well b:laugh
Some day soon all shall fear the power of Sober_Chu b:victory0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's why I'm in the process of making a 5 aps venomancer as well b:laugh
Some day soon all shall fear the power of Sober_Chu b:victory
why not Highasballs_Chu0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »That's why I'm in the process of making a 5 aps venomancer as well b:laugh
Some day soon all shall fear the power of Sober_Chu b:victory
5 aps veno's are becoming really popular. I've talked to about 10 people who are making one. I'm making an HA veno, but not going aps with it, just better support, and people keep seeing my HA and asking "You going aps? You going aps?"
When making delta squads lately and looking for DDs I've had two "5 aps veno" whispered to me. I tease sins when they whisper their aps for a delta squad because aps really doesn't matter, but I really teased the first 5 aps veno that pm'd. And then making a Warsong Metal on my sin I wanted a BM for bell since I knew I'd be tanking the boss, so I WC'd and got "5 aps veno! I can DD".
Its becoming a popular build. I think too many people are getting bored endgame and trying different things.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »Its becoming a popular build. I think too many people are getting bored endgame and trying different things.
I think people are just obsessed with aps and are trying to put into every class now. b:surrender
Nothing against heavy venos but aps venos? Why? Whyyy?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »5 aps veno's are becoming really popular. I've talked to about 10 people who are making one. I'm making an HA veno, but not going aps with it, just better support, and people keep seeing my HA and asking "You going aps? You going aps?"
. . .
Its becoming a popular build. I think too many people are getting bored endgame and trying different things.Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »I think people are just obsessed with aps and are trying to put into every class now. b:surrender
Nothing against heavy venos but aps venos? Why? Whyyy?
You guys are both right. One day we'll have 4-aps clerics running around, asking what a heal is.
That's besides the point.
To OP: If you wanna do it, run with it. The game is set up that you can be what you wanna be (unless you're a seeker or a mystic).b:cute The world may be small, but it is far from known.
Why the rage? It's a draining emotion.
Me: DaValentine (veno), Jaceraie (mystic), etc etc etc b:chuckle0 -
Well I started my aps veno a year ago to be the #1 veno in celestial tiger event but I never finished it... I am only finishing it now for lulz, really.0
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Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »I think people are just obsessed with aps and are trying to put into every class now. b:surrender
This ... Makes me b:surrender tooJacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »You guys are both right. One day we'll have 4-aps clerics running around, asking what a heal is.
Actually, that already has been done. There has been (or still is) a 4 aps cleric and a 4 aps psychic on Sanctuary (b:sad ashamed of my server now). Heard rumors about an aps wizzard, but not sure if it was just a plan/joke or really happened. You could also search forums for Fistol (or something like that) b:laugh0 -
Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »I think people are just obsessed with aps and are trying to put into every class now. b:surrender
Nothing against heavy venos but aps venos? Why? Whyyy?
My werefox is light armored with interval and have 2 silver cresents and does fine, what is wrong with interval geared venoes? Fox form have two attack skills that are mainly used for melee, even with skill spam (no smart person uses consume spirit or malefic crush outside of pvp or fox wallop on bosses) you use auto attacks in between too.WTB PWI 2008 where people were thinking more about doing good rather than pretending to be.0 -
Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »
Actually, that already has been done. There has been (or still is) a 4 aps cleric and a 4 aps psychic on Sanctuary (b:sad ashamed of my server now). Heard rumors about an aps wizzard, but not sure if it was just a plan/joke or really happened. You could also search forums for Fistol (or something like that) b:laugh
There are 2 4+ aps clerics and at least 2 4+aps Wizards still statted for it running around.
And because the demon veno spark gains 650% weapons damage while ours only gains 500% a veno can really compete for dps with us. Combine that with a pet using Pierce for 36% pdef debuff and a long lasting amp than we have... Its a practical build, its only issues are venos don't get bloodpaint, venos can't use it in fox form, and most a venos skills are magic based. The real issue is everyone expects a veno to amp and debuff and its hard to do that and spark+aps at the same time.
What made me want to try an HA veno was I had a friend almost 3 years ago that glitched fists into fox form (this was prior to PWI declaring this was bannable) and could tank BH69 like a pro and did all the FCC pulls himself. This was back when barbs were expected to be pure vit and still were afraid to tank because decent refines were rare, and he was doing it as a 20k pdef veno. Combine the 700% spark damage with the 150% and 3% crit from melee mastery and he was a beast. He was almost doubling the dd most pro BMs were doing back then.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0
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