About soloing

balderinho wrote: »

Hello everyone b:victory

I'm planning to create a sin, but I wanna know one thing first.

How much APS you guys think it's necessary to start soloing FCs, TTs, and stuffs ?

I mean, is a 3.33 sparked with a good amount of damage and foods (or healer) enough to solo a FC, for example ? And with buffs ?

Is just that, I wanna now when I can start to solo, because it's a thing that I really like about this class.

Thank you all for answering.b:pleased

The simplest answer is you have to try it out. APS means nothing without decient dph. Soloing things is more than just how many times you can hit. You can have high dps and have junk defense which will take you no where except the grave. APS by itself does not mean high damage. Any class can solo, it is all reflected on your gear and knowledge of the class.

On a sin it takes alot to get alot. Just like any other class it should be earned.

EighthKnight - Sanctuary wrote: »

It more depends on skill than gear.

That works to a point, but you will come to a time where your gear can no longer help you, it is better to balance your gear than depend on skill alone.

balderinho wrote: »

Well, that skill and basic gear are needed too I know, just wanted to know what APS is considerate " necessary " to start the job.

Ty for all your answers, anyways

Getting to 2.86 is more than enough in FC, in TT just depends on the instance. The higher instances 2-3 and 3-x is more on defenses and hp than just straight DD. There are bosses there that can hit 6k+

eternal46 wrote: »

hmmm could a non aps sin solo dungeons? cuz i am havin trouble wit my sin x.x its like way too squishy x.x

Ask an axe only bm to unequip almost all their gear, give them paint, and ask them to solo. Thats basically a non aps sin. Good dph, poor defenses, and a complete unbalance between damage intake and damage output from what bloodpaint could heal.

Most sins can solo FCC well-enough at 100 with 2.86 and +5 or better rank 8. Rank 8 has a very nice dph and high crit rate to cover the lack of aps. I'm also a big believer in refining ornies and ring. IMO its better for a sin to take less damage than to have more hp.

Rank gear is aquired by getting reputation. Generaly Rank gear is equal or superior to other same level gear you can aquire in game(new morai gear is still in debate in pve). It is also built specific to the class and not generalized(aside some multi weapon chars). Here is a link to the wiki on rank and reputation. You can get reps in cash shop or by doing quests, or buying from catshops around the forges in Arch

The wiki has the different levels of rank + where to get them and min requirements for them
b:bye

http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Rank_and_Reputation

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Sadly, the typical attitude is how mauch APS do I need to solo?
This is what results in 100 sins with rank8 top and hook & thorns .
APS isn't everything. Get your DPH up and build up some good defensive gear/HP.

There's some sins who can solo instances with lower aps due to skill/gear where a 5aps can fail outright.

Agree

2.83 is enough to solo F C is all about D P H

Dinya - Sanctuary wrote: »

Non aps sins suxx except full r9

SHAME! There're these things you put on the two bars at the bottom of your screen, we call them skills. b:sad

uralldumbasses wrote: »

it doesn't depend on skill more than it does on gear; i have no idea why people are saying that. higher refines on weapon = more bp heal, higher refines on armor = more bp heal. skill as a necessity is reserved for classes that are not sins.

And this is a quote of someone who completely ignorant of the Assassin class.
Have you ever watched a rank9 Sin kill himself on bosses where lower weapon Sins survive and tank fine? Or Barrier Thorn Sins constantly die at 5aps where 3.33 rank8's do fine with similar HP/refines? Gear is all fine and dandy, except when you're an idiot and don't know how to use the skills to go with it.
And I'm not sure how you figure that higher refines on Armor (which equals +HP) would equal higher BP returns.

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And this is a quote of someone who completely ignorant of the Assassin class.
Have you ever watched a rank9 Sin kill himself on bosses where lower weapon Sins survive and tank fine? Or Barrier Thorn Sins constantly die at 5aps where 3.33 rank8's do fine with similar HP/refines? Gear is all fine and dandy, except when you're an idiot and don't know how to use the skills to go with it.

Though I agree with you, you can't say gear is not important. If you want to solo something, you must have the armor to take a hit and the attack power to cover the boss' damager in bp heals between hits. Unfortunately, this gets turned to the ridicule with "with x aps, you can solo Y".

Skills are also really important, especially if you solo hard stuff on sin (fcc as a lvl75~85 cave isn't really "hard" imo). The way 90% of the ppl rely on auto-attacks and sparks only really reached it's paroxism. For instance, most sins are even uncapable of timing their RDS, then blame it on the channel/cast time, say it's dangerous, and end up using it as an argument for needing more aps.

Overall, the imo important points to solo are, in order of importance :
- armor capable of taking the hits
- knowing how to use your skills (including genie/apo/pots)
- knowing the boss' tricks and quick reaction
- damage output capable of recovering at least 90% of your hp in bp between boss' hits