Veno and Nirvana

WC fast nirvana squads only care about the amp (caster squads are probably pickier about veno gears). As long as you can survive in there, that ought to be sufficient. Your damage output is going to be minuscule compared to the high APSers, it's the amp that makes a fast squad faster. Sage amp isn't cheap though. (It's preferred over demon amp for Nirvy, but some squads will ask for level 11 amp.)

Most squads will probably want you to keep pets in the bag; some (most? all? haven't been in there yet) bosses have AOE seal which makes pets run away, and random aggro which may have them running after the pet, interrupting their precious spark cycle.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thank you for the replies.

I still can't seem to decide on actually making a Veno or not, I mainly play my Mystic but now with the Caster Nirvana glitch gone I want to open up my prospects and chances are squads don't accept Mystics to normal Nirvana unless R9, even then it's probably rare (could be wrong though)

Would the journey to level 100 be tough too? I never see Veno in FF anymore

With regards to BH100 runs also, easy or hard to find squads? Would I need a herc for them? Do Veno get to go to BH RB runs? I never see them there either.

Well, if you really dislike melees like BM or sin I guess veno could work. No, you dont really need the legendary pets, but last 2x I put Pierce on my herc and he survives so much longer than the kowlin >.>; But the only reason I even use a pet in NV is cause I'm demon. Most of the time, sage is better for NV. I think bringing a demon can make your run either slower, or faster. However, I'm not sure how other demon venos fare in regular NV but personally I amp/soul degen >myraid(fox) >myraid >ironwood, if there isnt a pdef debuff by then I have to settle for pierce's 36%, and 15 seconds later try for the pdef break again. Also helps to have a genie with both Extreme Poison and Tangling Mire. I cant tell you how many times I have to use EP on ampable bosses and tangling mire can pretty much permanently be on the boss if everyone has it. Though note -- it's pretty much useless to use mire when you know you have a physical defense break. Too bad melees dont really realize all this, or run with fail venos, so this demon veno doesnt get as many squads as she used to b:surrender sage get it much easier

Getting to 100 sure took my veno longer than its taking my barb atm. But I sort of leveled back before people sold frost.(which I still refuse to buy something I can do for free...) It took me roughly 10 months to level my veno 1-100. I was lazy and did mostly quests and wasnt invited to BH often. I dont know how much things have changed for venos since my alts are Barb, Cleric, and BM so getting squads isnt too hard on them.

BH100 is quite easy to get a squad for, I think. (I havent done it in a few days cause I havent been playing veno, but its not impossible)>> If you cant get a squad, make your own.<< Herc is not needed. Hell, most venos dont even take out their pets! And, on my server atleast, I see people asking for venos for GV (RB) squads and it makes me sorta wtf XD Cause I feel sin and veno are some of the worst classes for GV. Fox myraid is awesome in there though. However I dont like doing GV in general since I finished my 100 culti so I havent been there in a while.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It is still really difficult for me to choose, could someone with R8 show off their stats?

This is my gear for my veno - not the greatest but I don't play as much farming wise and gear upgrading wise anymore.
http://pwcalc.com/8401a6bbf99af7e5

That's not really what you need to be a good option for Nirvana. If I ever bring a veno along in a squad if I'm farming on another char, my 'personal' req is 6k hp minimum (unbuffed). The aoe isn't THAT hard but it can be at times if you maybe miss the mobs, etc. So survival is the key.
Personally idc about the whole sage/demon amp b.s. Veno's are veno's, they're important for their amp regardless if it's sage or demon. I don't have a hard time getting into squads based on being demon. You just need to know what you're doing, amping constantly, spamming ironwood, and do the side jobs properly.

But honestly, if you're main purpose for a veno is solely for farming, I wouldn't recommend it. Ya, I hate sins too but when it comes to farming, they can make twice (or more) amount of profit than my veno could in half the time. But if you're set on a veno, make sure you learn to time your spells properly, keep the squad brambled, purge at 2nd boss, amp continue-sly, and learn the side jobs.

As far as pets go, unless you're looking to solo a few lower TT's, there's no purpose for a herc anymore. I rarely use mine at all. If you plan to PvP or TW, save around 70m or so for a nix. If not, you can always level your veno to 101 and camp the new Dino pet, which comes with a pdef debuff. That'll probably increase your chances getting into a squad, but be prepared to invest in the nix/herc skills to make it survivable (Trust me, the dino pet honestly sucks in Nirvana as it is. You need buffs).

Yep. Overall, veno's are probably rated at least the 2nd best farmer, despite the whole BM and Sin APS. Just have fun and enjoy it, and pleaseeee take time to learn it properly. I had a veno in an FC for mystic asking what purge was and how she didn't know how to tame pets. ffs.

Man. All this talk about "requirements" to get into a nirvana squad makes me want to never set foot in nirvana. Or associate with those people that made up these "requirements."

Because they sound like stuck up tightwads. b:surrender

Granted, I've got the rep for rank 8 gear, but I doubt I'd be able to refine any of it beyond +3-4. I don't have level 11 amp because paying 40+ millions for one skill is frankly ridiculous.

Also, I'm bad at playing the merchant class...


Maybe I should just quit again...

Kuschel - Lost City wrote: »

I personally don't see the point of 8jun or 9jun for WF either... If you want to be invited to instances, make sure you can survive. WF seems to be more of a utility class than anything, so get all the utilities you can.

...PVP?? b:embarrass

You cant exactly say a veno with hh99 is gonna be able to survive very well against r9s..even without r9 yourself in that case at least g15 recast/nirvy would be better.

Though this is the view from someone who mostly gets on veno for TW, as PvE almost anything goes. Almost.

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Honestly, I have no idea what you have just said.

I have decided to make a Veno b:cute It won't be my main focus right now (farming some coins on cleric/mystic) but it will get there

I was also wondering weapon wise, would it be a good choice to skip R8 and get either the TT100 weapon or a nirvana recast weapon? I can afford to get R8 (if I cash shop) but would getting either of those weapons be a good choice instead?

r8. You can get it for around 70m.

Hella cheaper and better than TT100/Nirv.

Itori - Lost City wrote: »

BH100 is quite easy to get a squad for, I think. (I havent done it in a few days cause I havent been playing veno, but its not impossible)>> If you cant get a squad, make your own.<< Herc is not needed.

This is true.

As far as rank 8 gear goes, weapon and chest piece are rather nice.

I was about to say the pants suck, but I forgot the rank 8 veno pants are soooooooo much nicer than the **** ones clerics get >:

veno = cheapest class to get into nirvy regularly (mine was around 12mil in gear)

sin = most expensive to get into nirvy regularly but get in to more runs than venos

bms = less expensive than sins but way more expensive than venos and get in more than venos (curse u hf)

any sqd that ask for aps if u tell um ur a veno uve still got a decent chance at getting in so long as its not a 3 man though i've gotten into my share of those only thing u have to worry about is not getting one shotted by the random aggro XD which isnt too hard to do

( my veno is sage but only lvl 10 amp lvl 11 is prefered but they will still take a lvl 10 amp if no other veno has lvl 11 thats wanting in)

as for caster if u have lvl 11 amp u can get in without r8 provided u have good hp and can survive bosses

lvl 10 sometimes they still want a good weapon

b:laugh make APS veno get into 3 man squads b:chuckle

MrMelvin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thank you for all your input.

I have been having a mess around on PWcalc this morning and came up with a few sets...

My current gear but Veno-ised

With R8 pants

The ultimate goal

Goal with no R8

Obviously the shards and refines are not fully end game based, just a rough estimate of what I would be using whilst farming, how does it look?

your ultimate goal...is kinda okay. a valid option, except that hp shard ****. 3k pdef isnt enough to survive anything.

i prefer a more resistant build with at least 4k pdef.

R8/NIrv mixed veno is competitive.

Im demon cause its better for pvp and i dont have a herc. i never needed one.
Id rather get a nice, well skilled genie instead on a herc. much cheaper and if used correct grants your squad nice dmg bonuses aka fast kills.

I dont think for nirvana its black or white (sage or demon) theese days. Its more the over all set up of the veno.

Just my thoughts.

My veno is an alt so I'm probably going to be a bit biased. Venos are the cheapest class to gear up for vana but I still envy sins, at least during 2x. Caster vana can be done at most 3 times a day, unless you stack bhs over time and turn them all in at once, but you get more reward for each run. Normal vana can be done over and over again as long as you and the squad have keys/time. Even as a cleric, at one point I managed to get into 12 normal vana runs in a single day. Lots of money was made that day.

To be honest, I originally made a veno for money-farming purposes. I thought that even with (relatively) cheap gear, she could be a real money maker. I was disappointed because my veno didn't make as much money as I wanted, even with a herc. TT was quite hard to make money with because she was so squishy, the boss did too much damage or the aoe was too much (ex: SB, drummer, Wurlord, among others, especially bosses in TT3-2 or higher). Also, the mobs take forever to kill, so solo TT farming is only possible if you have patience, which I don't have.

Then aps rolled around and I was left in the dust. Caster vana came (YAY) and I was also left in the dust again because like with normal vana, they also have tough gear requirements (r8, sage/demon amp, good phys def and hp, whatever). While not as high or expensive as with BM or sin, it pretty much made me a low-ish priority add to caster vana squads since my veno only uses a TT99+4 glaive and has lvl 10 amp. She is sage though with sage ironwood, but I can't afford r8 for her. That's kinda why I don't bother with caster nirv unless it's with faction or friends. Yes, it may be possible for her to get in caster vana squads, but with all the requirements stated above, I doubt I can do it regularly. You may have better luck with me, though. I'm speaking from the perspective of a modest non-spoiled herc/nix veno who uses affordable gear (no nirv, no rank 8/9). Other venos may disagree with me on this.

And yup... as a previous poster said, you gotta spend money to make money, and venos are no exception, although to a much lesser extent as a sin. I prefer caster vana on my cleric since he has rank 8 and better gear (due to having a history with TW). Nix is good for grinding on the map and a very practical and worthwhile pet to have, but I don't use my herc much.

On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem getting bh100 squads. xD

Except delta. b:surrender

I once found a delta squad that asked for a veno, but I have no clue why since venos are a poor choice for delta. I believe venos can easily get into lunar, but I never tried because of the 500k fee.

Don't get me wrong here - venos are a good class to play at endgame. BH100 is generally not a problem, grinding is not a problem and is pretty cheap, with a nix you can get into TW factions and you can do both normal nirv and caster nirv. But if you're making a veno solely to farm, I don't really recommend it. I play my veno more because I enjoy the class than to make money. (Also, I love my nix. ) If you enjoy playing as veno, you have my blessing - go ahead and lvl her to 100, gear her up, do whatever you want! The sky's the limit! But I don't see much fun or point in playing and farming on a toon that I don't enjoy. It'll make the game feel more like a job than a hobby/pastime.

Sylredrae - Sanctuary wrote: »

The sky's the limit!

You, sir, are wrong. The sky can't be the limit when there are footprints on the moon!

Joking aside, I very much agree with this:

But I don't see much fun or point in playing and farming on a toon that I don't enjoy. It'll make the game feel more like a job than a hobby/pastime.

I was told several times to make an assassin that would be an investment. I don't like assassins as a class to play. I play this game as a hobby, for entertainment, to do activities with friends (irl and not). I'd rather stick to my venomancer and continue farming with her, however slow it may be. At least, hey, I'm having fun! b:chuckle

Yes, it may be possible for her to get in caster vana squads, but with all the requirements stated above, I doubt I can do it regularly.

It really does depend on squads. I'll have to agree, though, it's better to do runs with your friends and faction or try to make a group of people that does caster on a regular basis.

This is what I've done. I have a few friends (old & new) and associates that I run caster with so I generally don't join random squads unless for various reasons I can't go with them (they're off, I gotta do it early because I have studies etc. etc.)

On the other hand, I have absolutely no problem getting bh100 squads. xD

Except delta. b:surrender

I think that's because most venomancers are awful xD and the amount of players that are unaware of this class's abilities is ridiculous. Delta is more challenging than SOT, Aba and Warsong (yet somehow I've been coming across horrible warsong squads b:cry)

There's four AOE skills, AOE Myriad and I can't even count how many times parasitic nova has been a life saver. Speaking of spawn point here. I don't know what is the perfect delta formation and I don't care. Hell, I've even done deltas without a blademaster and the only HA was the barbarian. I was pretty much the blademaster there (demon nova) and it all went well >.> sheesh

All I can say; make your own squads. I gave up joining squads long time ago(I do it, but very rarely) and I don't know about the rest but I love forming rainbow squads for my BHs b:laugh

Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Man. All this talk about "requirements" to get into a nirvana squad makes me want to never set foot in nirvana. Or associate with those people that made up these "requirements."

Because they sound like stuck up tightwads. b:surrender

Granted, I've got the rep for rank 8 gear, but I doubt I'd be able to refine any of it beyond +3-4. I don't have level 11 amp because paying 40+ millions for one skill is frankly ridiculous.

Also, I'm bad at playing the merchant class...


Maybe I should just quit again...

QFT b:cute
I play this game for entertainment, not to be "pro".... it's a game for a reason. To have fun, not to subject people to your own lofty expectations.

Not everyone can afford r9, sage amp, and +10 refines =p