Magic damage Veno's pets

There are the elemental skills for veno pets. But they have a cooldown on them that makes them... Useless. The pet will use the elemental skill, then when it's in cooldown, will use auto attack until cooldown is up, use the skill, then use auto attack, repeat. Since cooldown is 15 seconds for essentially 1,000 damage or thereabouts, it's... Pointless. b:surrender

You can put up to 4 skills on one pet, but they have to be different skills. If you have a boss that is Water Immune, and your pet has Icicle (the water elemental attack), then you're out of luck. Also, the pet will ONLY use the specific attack selected, there is NO option to cycle through the 4 different special attacks it has, so no 'oh load it up with 4 elementals and let it use all 4'. You would be clicking like mad on those skills and... That would take most of your time. Would be a waste because, depending on the pet and the boss, most likely you would be doing low damage output on your pet.

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've been doing Caster nirvana on my cleric and something crossed my mind. Mystic and Veno are similar in terms of using pets, but diferance is that veno doesn't have pet for nirvana. Mystic has misstress as magic damage pet, and as far as i know veno doesn't have it. So, does anyone knows if there is some veno pet skill, or veno pet that can deal only magic damage that could be used in nirvana? And i don't mean some crapy skill like poison that vonomous ghouls around arch has, but something usefull.

Venos just need this: Amplify Damage
Their pets just need: Howl
Also, there is 5 magical pet skills for veno's pets.

b:bye

The cooldown on pet elemental bashes is only 8 seconds and you don't need MP to cast them.

You can make a specialized pet with 4 different elemental attacks and spam one every 2 seconds. Each elemental attack does 200% base damage so the dps is actually pretty nice.

Just remap the pet skills to something convenient on the keyboard or setup a keyboard macro that cycles them all.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've been in casters with r8 and r9 mystics who's pets are doing 50k-100k damage a hit (well according to them I don't have a mystic, but they are people I trust)

You're not going to see hits that high with a veno pet. Assuming faction base claw and level 5 toxic mist on a level 100 scorpion, with mind break, sage amplify damage, extreme poison, demon venomous scarab debuff, and demon parasitic nova debuffs all active at the same time:

4008 (base attack) * 2 (skill bonus) * 1.35 (claw) * 1.4 (amp) * 1.3 (demon venomous) * 1.2 (extreme poison) * 1.3 (demon nova) = 30724

Substitute sage subsea strike and demon heaven's flame for extreme poison and demon nova:

4008 * 2 * 1.35 * 1.4 * 1.3 * 1.5 (sage subsea) * 2 (demon HF) = 59085

but how many squads are going to take BMs and sins to caster's?

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide wrote: »

Erm... >.> i think u added post to wrong thread.
And since u started it, by your reply I'd say u probably have some 5 aps sin or Bm, i wanna ask you: Would u take lets say psy, or wiz to normal nirvana run, and i don't think squad like 2 BMs, 3 Sins and 1 caster but squad like 1 sage, non aps barb, cler 1 sin, 1 BM and 2 casters?
And since u obviosly don't know, bosses in caster nirvana are all physical imune, so i have no idea why would you take BM, or sin there. In normal nirvana bosses are not magic imune, but casters are still unwanted there.

I think you misread; I was calculating the highest possible magic hit for a veno pet in caster's, given publicly available figures (not sure if the new 101 pet has a higher base damage than a scorpion, but there's no public source for a 101 scorpion's stats to compare.) Bringing BMs and sins into the picture was just to bump the possible debuffs up for highest possible hit calculation purposes.

I don't have a 5 APS sin or BM (my highest sin is 6x, my highest BM a 79 vit-build pole BM that can't even wear Annihilator of Souls); my highest character is a 97 veno, so I haven't been in Nirvana at all, but I am well aware that the bosses are all physical immune (hence the comment "how many squads are going to take BMs and sins to casters?") Said melee characters would need to be using elemental shards in their weapons, elemental apothecaries or (in the case of assassins) the skill that adds water damage to their attacks even to land the debuffs.

Aren't veno pets mainly phys damage since veno skills are magic? Ironwood+amp=more damage dealt by the pet.

Irrelevant to caster Nirvana's physical immune bosses.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also only half the bosses can be amped.

That's no longer true. Since the Descent expansion all bosses in caster nirvana are able to be amped.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

4008 * 2 * 1.35 * 1.4 * 1.3 * 1.5 (sage subsea) * 2 (demon HF) = 59085

but how many squads are going to take BMs and sins to caster's?

You forgot seekers: sage soulshatter gives another +130% earth and fire damage and +50% to earth/fire critical hit rate. And Wizards' Undine Strike and genie spark skills.

I'll take sins and bms to caster nirvana, seekers and archers too. In regular nirvana the ideal squad may be 3 sins and a bm (debatable anyway), but in caster it's possible to run profitably with almost any arrangement (given decent gear and skill, or ability to learn anyway).

Pazi_Ujedam - Raging Tide wrote: »

My apologies, Mayfly. And subsea can't debuff bosses, i was in caster squad they brought sin to try it, didn't work.

Also works with Wizard's Frostblade, already tested, even with Archer Blood Vow, and I have to say, I am in love.

Yeah, that is why my NV talis never expire, people keep on dragging me to caster all the time.

Still, I need to be faster, to get insta cast even with R8 and not having to depend on HH100, but that is wizard talk xD

Actually, on my veno, I have a DD pet I built specially for caster nirvys.
A scorpion with Icicle (water), Sandblow (earth) and Fireblast (fire). His 4th slot is Howl (mdef debuff) but I'm hesitating between letting Howl or replacing it with the metal or wood skill for even more consistent magical damage...
Scorpions are the best ground DD pets when it comes to spamming skills, so I guess it's the best choice out there if you want a "special caster nirvy" pet.

Can anyone tells me what level has to be faction base to have pet skills? At level 3, our base only have wizard stuff.

It's 4 now but I havent checked (I got lost all the time b:angry).

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The vault has to be level 3, 5 and 6 for the various pet skill scrolls.

Thx, I guess they upgraded other wing. b:cry

When i do the caster nirvana, i use a scorpion with the skills: Howl, threaten, shierk and a fire ball. I'm thinking to do a pet with only magic skills, but to use him, you have to calculate very much the time, so i think that i will continue with my support pet.
When i do the phys nirvana i use a pet with pierce, threaten, shirek and bash.

I think the veno's pets should have a upgrade, 4 skll per pet isn't enough, i think that 8 skill per pet will be the ideal.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Doesn't channeling revert to 90% when you have over 99%?

Sorry for the delay, and yes, it does, but ignoring the reverting, it gives you higher base speed , and lets you spam sparks faster.