regular nirvy??

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear · March 2012

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I assume you've been unlucky and had some horrible venomancers in your squad? It's not only about having high refines and incredible gears but it's also about knowing how to time the debuffs correctly. Yes, even to those immune to amplify damage/heaven's flame there are some debuffs to time.

other than myself and my faction mates. when i run nirvana with other venos on my cleric/mystic. venos on ht doesnt really listen when you give them advice and myraid or get into fox form at all. =.= sadly many of them are r9 too.

Itori - Lost City · March 2012

Baby_pho - Heavens Tear wrote: »

other than myself and my faction mates. when i run nirvana with other venos on my cleric/mystic. venos on ht doesnt really listen when you give them advice and myraid or get into fox form at all. =.= sadly many of them are r9 too.

LOL this ^^^

also nice necro people ^_^

Desdi - Sanctuary · March 2012

Well it's not that big of a necro, hence I bothered to reply. It's only about a month or so.

But yeah, I know what you mean...I've run Nirvanas with random venomancers. Both regular and caster and then I wish I hadn't.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · March 2012

Wow, so much misinformation in this thread but I think all of it was mistated then corrected several posts later. Only thing to add is on the racist boss that spawns black and white birds it is usually the veno's job to get those as the only ranged dd. Some veno's stand just slightly back to cast but stay out of immediate random dmg range, others go to fox form and swat black birds and just tank random aggro since they have the def boost of fox form. Your choice, but be careful about fox myriad as its an aoe.

Anyways, I'll piggyback on this thread. I'm trying to get the perfect timing down for my skills and what order for best debuffing. I'm sage so here is what I usually use:

(start in fox) Amp, fox myriad, (human), human myriad, If no pdef debuff yet I ironwood, pass spark to the bm, 3 x venomous scarab, ironwood, 3x venomous, ironwood, human myriad, fox, amp, fox myriad....

One of my issues is trying to bundle the myriads vs ironwood and keep their timing similar. The other is going fox form has a 6 second cooldown but amp + Myriad take only 3 seconds so I just stand around for3 seconds. Anything I should be doing?

Itori - Lost City · March 2012

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well it's not that big of a necro, hence I bothered to reply. It's only about a month or so.

But yeah, I know what you mean...I've run Nirvanas with random venomancers. Both regular and caster and then I wish I hadn't.

Yeah, it just bugs me that people tend to revive threads that haven't been replied to in a while with something almost irrelevant to the original discussion.

For a while when I was doing caster I asked my friends that if they had another veno, to not invite me, or if I was in squad, to not invite another veno . >.>;

But this is slightly off topic. xD Oh well, I have nothing more to say for this thread.

Desdi - Sanctuary · March 2012

I'll commit the sin of going off topic but..

Itori - Lost City wrote: »

For a while when I was doing caster I asked my friends that if they had another veno, to not invite me, or if I was in squad, to not invite another veno . >.>;

I believe I should take your example and do the same, unless I'm running with a venomancer that is my friend/associate and know each other's playstyles. More often than not, another venomancer in the squad only messes up my job. (key word: more often)

I start with demon crush vigor (unless my chi is full) for a spark but other venomancers quickly assume I'm a noob and try to use amplify over mine (and they usually have lvl10 one). I'm careful enough to throw crush vigor before/during the time people spark. Sure, it does miss out sometimes then they get vigor for a few seconds but I doubt this is much of an issue when it comes to casters (unlike APS they don't get to throw that many attacks). I also throw it during the 4-5 seconds amp is off and still on cooldown to build sparks.

Since I have to pass chi to the cleric(s) and have chi for demon parasitic nova for extra amp I need to build my chi fast and crush vigor is just enough for it but another venomancer in squad means that they mess up my vigoring time b:sweat and more often than not I'm the one to pass all the chi since most of them also don't bother getting lvl11 lending hand.

/offtopic

swagoon · March 2012

well in my case,. ( btw im a veno light armor lvl 100 )

for HFable boss ill do Sage amp > Sage iron wood > Sage venomous Scrab. and just repeat the process, Reason is :

Sage amp : Bm and sins love to do HF and Subsea at the beginning

Sage iron wood : my 40% phy debuff can last forever, cause it has 20 sec duration and its cool-down is 8 seconds, so it makes it really spammable

Sage Venomous Scrab : effective way to gain chi

For non-HFable boss ill Sage iron Wood > Soul Degeneration > veno scrab

Soul Degeneration : Stops boss hp from Recovering, effective when the boss seals all of the DD's.

since im a Light Armor built i can stand up to the boss physical hits, soo i stand and DD next to the aps DD's, so that the boss dont go chasing after me.

Satyrion - Sanctuary_1389862626 · March 2012

There is 3 more things i would like to add about normal vana:

1. Get Earthquake on genie (leave it at lvl 1). If u get the big machine boss (4th boss) it will spawn some adds, some are black and some are white. Kill the black ones, leave the white ones. As veno people always ask me to kill the black.. Or no they dont ask, they actually expect i do them. But i suck at doing them, but earthquake make it a lot easy, fast and its the most safety way doing them.

2. Keep 3 sparks at 5th boss if its the boss that spawn snakes. The snakes gives a really strong poison and can kill most, spark to purify urself.

3. (this is just how i do) If you get the chicken boss (second last) USE YOUR PET, but not as DD (u can if its a ranged pet, this is best actually, but i dont have one

). If you let ur pet attack once (when the chicken goes big) and call ur pet back to urself (stay a bit away from boss) and let it follow u (dont call it back in bag) there is a chance the fire spawn on the pet. This means there is both a chance for fire spawn on u + spawn on pet = less chance for fire on the sins and bms. This means they hopefully dont have to move, and the boss will die faster.
Everybody hates the chicken, and it have to die as fast as possible

Crescendia - Harshlands · March 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Anyways, I'll piggyback on this thread. I'm trying to get the perfect timing down for my skills and what order for best debuffing. I'm sage so here is what I usually use:

(start in fox) Amp, fox myriad, (human), human myriad, If no pdef debuff yet I ironwood, pass spark to the bm, 3 x venomous scarab, ironwood, 3x venomous, ironwood, human myriad, fox, amp, fox myriad....

One of my issues is trying to bundle the myriads vs ironwood and keep their timing similar. The other is going fox form has a 6 second cooldown but amp + Myriad take only 3 seconds so I just stand around for3 seconds. Anything I should be doing?

I do the exact same thing you do, I just don't pass chi. I've been running nirvana with the same people since forever so we are very synchronized and know how we do our runs. Usually the bosses are dead before i have to do a second amp, but I don't thing there is anything else you have to do anything in between the 2nd amp/myriads.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · March 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

One of my issues is trying to bundle the myriads vs ironwood and keep their timing similar. The other is going fox form has a 6 second cooldown but amp + Myriad take only 3 seconds so I just stand around for3 seconds. Anything I should be doing?

You could throw in a befuddling mist (or just melee) during the foxform cooldown.

DaRkYuYo - Dreamweaver · March 2012

Satyrion - Sanctuary wrote: »

There is 3 more things i would like to add about normal vana:

2. Keep 3 sparks at 5th boss if its the boss that spawn snakes. The snakes gives a really strong poison and can kill most, spark to purify urself.

b:victory or get sage summer sprint

Necro? XD

b:cool 101 sage 4 aps veno 2.33 in fox since 2011

so yeah im a debuffer first

so it goes like this b:sin

fox form > amp >myriad > human form > sage ironwood (if no armor break) > spark > change tome to dex and put deicides and use genie windshield (while spark) > fist your way to around 1.2 sparks (windshield again) > 2.7 sparks amp cools down > change tome mag and put mag sword > fox form > beffudlying mist > fox form cools down > amp > REPEAT ( i throw sage chi skill instead of beffudling mist when available

regular nirvy??

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