G15 Daggers and the "Best adds" For Sage/Demon

The claim used to be GoF, -int, and any other damage add would out dd or about equal r9 dps.

The idea is that R9 has the higher base, G15 refines better, so by +12 the daggers are almost equal(r9 has 1710 ave, G15 has 1644 average). With multiple DoTs, Vana helm bonus, blessing,... the 30 attack levels on the r9 is about a 20% boost over a weapon without DoTs so compare 75 attack levels from r9 and 45 attack levels from G15 and its a 20.7% difference. Compare 5.0 vs 4.0 its a 25% difference. The dps difference in interval more than makes up the loss of attack levels and helps compensate for some of the difference in dph that the r9 has. So all thats left is the 10 dex on r9, but there are more valuable damage adds available on G15, for isntance 19 dex, +max attack, crit 2%.

Its also still undecided exactly how often SS and GoF proc. SS seems to be 10-15%, GoF 15-25%. If GoF procs less than about 16% the +20 atk levels would be more valuable.

Anyways, you asked about adds people enjoy. I the +1 range I have on my G15s and it makes me consider going r9 for the +2 dagger range. Some mobs will move slightly after you start and you have to move too, or when you are kill a boss and aggro changes so the boss moves a little and starts attacking you. Sometimes that can be fatal but with just +1 you seem to have the same range as bosses so if they can hit you then you can hit them.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

From personal experience, most just aim for :
GoF/SS/+20 att lvl
-0.05 int
any add that is of use (vit, dex, max att, ...)

Then, if they have GoF + -0.05 int, ppl don't care about the last add.
And, if the last add is really good, ppl care less about the unique add (like, if they have a 2nd -0.05 int, they don't care about having +3% crit as unique add).

Like said above, the "best" is considered to be GoF + 130 max attack -0.05 int. Personally, I wouldn't like GoF on G15 vana (and just yesterday, someone with GoF and -0.05 int adds on her daggers agreed with me) cause the bp per hit is very important if you have GoF on daggers. This comment is just to show that personal taste does matter a lot.

A funny note : +1~2m range is never mentionned as a good add, but everyone who ever got daggers with +1~2m range are addicted to it b:laugh Me too, I considered it worthless untill I got it... now I can't do without anymore.

EDIT : btw, I suppose that the "perfect" G15 doesn't really is "better" in dps then r9 anymore with the "nerf". But that always was just a paper-only benefit anyway.

Well when you look at the nerf, then it wouldnt chance much, when you are 5aps and the r9 one is 4aps, because even 4aps is nerfed, so its good again.

And yes, SS and/or GoF is not that good on g15, because your BP isnt that high without spark.
With Spark it doesnt matter but without, it can tick your charm here and there.
I know, that range is a very good stat on daggers, but it doesnt help much in DPS/DPH.
When the Boss/Mob moves, its handy and all, but when you just stand there and attack, then it doesnt help.
In PvP/PK its a different story, because there, its a godlike stat, when you ask me.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

I was aiming at the fact that sins with r9 usually has 2x +50% accuracy rings (r9 + sky cover/lunar), while sins with G15 usually have 1x +50% accuracy (r8 + sky cover/lunar). Either way, the difference has always been to small to mention anyway.

Not necessarily true. I've seen plenty of sad cases of people who have a +10 G13 Nirvana dagger with 1-2 Garnet Gems in it and an R9 ring. Makes me sad because +12 at that point would be much cheaper and give about triple the +patk that the R9 ring would.

197.7 Gold for +11 and +12 Orbs
256 Gold for 100k Rep, 3 Medals of Glory and 85 General Summer's Tokens

Wether it's PvE or PvP, anyone who used a +range weap sais the add is actually awesome. There are some things you just can't calculate.

I haven't actually had a chance to use a weapon with +2 range, but considering that the Assassin skills which are not melee range are all 4.5 meters, which is the minimum range of a dagger with +2 range, I'd imagine it's pretty handy, as it eliminates the need to walk to melee range if you start with with that 4.5 meter range. And the list of those skills is rather impressive:
Headhunt
Subsea Strike
Power Dash
Puncture Wound
Tackling Slash
Rising Dragon Strike

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

256 Gold price is right but its only 32 GSTs (85 is for r9 weapon, not ring).

Typo, wrote that quite late in the evening.

197.7 gold for +11 and +12 seems cheap though. Lets see with current sales of 1* for 10/$1.35 and Ocean Orbs for $30:
11*= 8*,9*,10*
11*= 405 x 1*, 750 x 1*, 10*
11*= 1105 x 1*, 10*
11*= (1105/10) x $1.35, $30
11*= $156+ $30
11*= $186

12*=9*, 10*, 11*
12*=9*, $30, $186
12*=$54.7, $30, $186
12*=240.6

So an 11* and 12* during the 1* sale would cost $426.6

Um... Typo in your 11* price. 405 + 750 = 1155, not 1105.

And the 197.7 was with 4.5 silver per 1* and 20 gold per Ocean.

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

No offence, but I doubt you actually use a weap with GoF/SS.

http://s1.directupload.net/file/d/2820/o2atwnpr_jpg.htm

At your service

I do have SS daggers and i never said, that i die with them, no no.
But i feel like, hurting myself more with SS without spark then healing.
Its ONLY with the SS hits, not the other hits.
These daggers are sure awesome indeed, but when i SS, i lose about 500~ HP and gain about 300~
Not much, but here and there, the charm ticks b:pleased

And no, thats no big deal, just wanted to point that out b:chuckle

Im one of the r8 + Sign of Frost users but i have to admint, that i dont really feel like missing more after the update.
Hm, but thats maybe, because the hitrate is average on 97~99% and when i take the 50% accu ring off, the accuracy to hit a mob/boss only degraces by 1-3% or something, so nothing special i think b:surrender

Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »

I do have SS daggers and i never said, that i die with them, no no.
But i feel like, hurting myself more with SS without spark then healing.
Its ONLY with the SS hits, not the other hits.
These daggers are sure awesome indeed, but when i SS, i lose about 500~ HP and gain about 300~
Not much, but here and there, the charm ticks b:pleased

And no, thats no big deal, just wanted to point that out b:chuckle

Well, r9 with sage bp (am sage with dot armor) and GoF doesn't make my charm tick except on 2nd nirvana boss if self-buffed. A friend with GoF, -0.05 int and +att lvl G15 now is using hp charms because of the proc. G15 just doesn't have the dph that you can just ignore proc effect on your hp. Many ppl that solo/tank a lot are aware of this, and don't consider GoF as the ultimate unique add on G15 even if damage wise it's the best. That's all I wanted to point out.

I just like r9 because not only does it stand up to the "best adds" on a g15 dagger, but it's the sins' highest DPH weapon, hands down.

I am farming atm for R9 weapon on sin. I have the money for ring but it will take me a wile to get the money for weapon.b:sad

Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »

*Steals your moneh for teh ring* Q...Q

I'm strongly considering 1st cast nirvana dagz, for the aps boost as sage so i can actually use dash/ss/raving slash more often during 3x spark.

But then I'm torn between g15 since i do love my dph and would be so happy with GoF/SS and an int ad or max dmg add.

Major problem is, if i get g15, and then somewhere down the line i get r9....what do i do with my bound g15 X.X

Hence i wana know if 1st cast lunar is a good substitue while i farm the raps for 2nd cast b:surrender

Pretty sure first cast lunar nirvana weapon is inferior to rank 8.