Nerf this, kill that, 20% accuracy reduction...

Mystic_Man - Harshlands · March 2012

elorejitas wrote: »

Make your sin and b:shutup

Most of 70% of ppl love sins but noone know that coz they are not here complaining. They are enjoying their chars

And where are you pulling those numbers from, out your ****? 70%?
In what alternate reality? You just suspect that people are complaining about Bloodpaint and APS because, what, they like Assassins?

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear · March 2012

Coming from someone who quit the game for several months when R9 first went into the cash shop, I guess you could say I wasn't all that happy with the situation either. Aps wasn't the huge issue, to me it was the way Wanmei or whoever, decided to put high-end gear in the cash shop. Making it so you could no longer farm for top gear, you had to buy it.

I know you can merchant or farm instances and sell the materials for profits etc, and get R9 by buying gold with coin that way (I'm working on doing this myself to some extent), but you can't farm for R9 in the traditional sense. There is no instance you can go to in order to farm Medals or anything like that. Sure you could try BH and cube for mysterious chips I guess, but most people including myself wouldn't have that kind of patience lol.

As far as APS go, yes I do feel it never should have been introduced to the game in some ways. In other ways it made everything more do-able. BH wouldn't be quite as easy as it is today, things like Metal and Fire Warsong take a lot less time than it probably would without high dps BMs and Sins running about. TT takes less time now too. Remember when it used to take 2-3 hours just to run a 2-3? or the 3-x? Now it goes a lot faster. Nirvana, when it was first introduced, took my squad about 30 minutes maybe more or less, I can't remember now. And that was when "colorful" squads were still "okay" for Nirvana by popular opinion. I remember we had something like 2 barbs, myself (cleric at the time), and a couple ranged DDs.

There are definitely things I miss about the old days for certain. I really miss taking all classes into an instance. Sure it may have taken longer but to me it was balanced and fair. Archers were still Archers, BMs used axes almost all the time, and Barbs were tanks as they were meant to be.

Sadly those days are over. I had to adapt too, I have a 5.0 sin myself. I wish I could have stuck to my Mystic and other casting classes, but to keep up and to help myself I made a 5.0 character. However, I don't have the elitist mindset that so many others with the 5.0 build seem to have. I still go with colorful squads to Nirvana and things like that, and it still goes decently fast. I really could care less to be honest. lol.

/wall-o-text

Sagek - Sanctuary · March 2012

Mystic_Man - Harshlands wrote: »

Less I said.

Unless of course, you have the onslaughts of BLADEmasters and Assassins b!tching and moaning about how they can't roll their faces on the keyboard and kill things, and whiny cashshoppers who sold their spleen on the black market just to get Rank 9.

But you would whine if you got ANY kind of nurf. If they so much as farted in the direction of APS you people would start going into convulsions....at least, more than you usually do.

But let's be honest--that's what a majority of the imbalance comes to. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure it: Aps, Rank 9, FC....not in any particular order.

When you say "You" or "You people" are you talking directly to me or in general?

looken · March 2012

It isnt the game that is unbalanced, it is the players wallet, time spent and luck that is unbalanced.

If you got +12 everything,like 18k HP more or less, got 90+ def lvls, a 91+ LP genie, unlimited of antistun,immune to damage potions etc. and ofc loads of charms..I dont think the matter of 5.0 and BP makes that much of a diffrence when there comes a player with 5-6k HP and a +5-7 wep and a jones blessing.

X\_Tegus_/X - Harshlands · March 2012

Its useless. They're not gonna nerf anything. ( Aps / Sins ) They blew the chance to do so
with the Descent expansion and all that hype about ''existing skills rebalancing''. Everyone thought once and for all that maybe sins would be finally nerfed ( tidal protection most notably ) and every problem with some skills from the original classes that proved to be useless , but what do they do? They nerf seeker being able to transfer hp debuffs because THAT was the biggest problem in game lol. The devs must be completely convinced that sins arent OP at all.

point is if they cant deliver after making such a big hype about ''rebalancing'' ''existing skills''
then if there was ever an appropriate time to lose any last bit of hope of a fix then it would be
now.

''Adapt or perish'' ..... My ***..
The only thing at risk of perishing is this game if they keep messing things up further.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · March 2012

Mystic_Man - Harshlands wrote: »

And where are you pulling those numbers from, out your ****? 70%?
In what alternate reality? You just suspect that people are complaining about Bloodpaint and APS because, what, they like Assassins?

They are complaining whenever they don't need them.

Watch me not get a delta when I respond with "sin here". Watch me get a delta when I say "sage sin here" instead.

_Petal_ - Harshlands · March 2012

X\_Tegus_/X - Harshlands wrote: »

Its useless. They're not gonna nerf anything. ( Aps / Sins ) They blew the chance to do so
with the Descent expansion and all that hype about ''existing skills rebalancing''. Everyone thought once and for all that maybe sins would be finally nerfed ( tidal protection most notably ) and every problem with some skills from the original classes that proved to be useless , but what do they do? They nerf seeker being able to transfer hp debuffs because THAT was the biggest problem in game lol. The devs must be completely convinced that sins arent OP at all.

point is if they cant deliver after making such a big hype about ''rebalancing'' ''existing skills''
then if there was ever an appropriate time to lose any last bit of hope of a fix then it would be
now.

''Adapt or perish'' ..... My ***..
The only thing at risk of perishing is this game if they keep messing things up further.

....Marry me--Now. b:chuckle

Rubride - Lost City · March 2012

Here's a good idea, give some bosses bramble (reflect buff), that'll knock out the APS problem.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide · March 2012

Mystic_Man - Harshlands wrote: »

Less I said.

Unless of course, you have the onslaughts of BLADEmasters and Assassins b!tching and moaning about how they can't roll their faces on the keyboard and kill things, and whiny cashshoppers who sold their spleen on the black market just to get Rank 9.

I think anyone would complain, and loudly, if you flat out removed gear they purchased with RL money.b:surrender

RageKill - Lost City · March 2012

I will say this again. BP is necessary for lower levels (even if you use skills properly) Just too squishy to handle more than a couple hits even while spamming pots. We dont hit as hard as casters and in the beginning our APS is tiny

Later on BP really keeps us alive when we aren't uber geared yet. Yes, we could spend more coin on pots, but i dont wanna. And when we solo bosses we use a lot o' crab meat.

To be honest though if i could afford to gear up a psychic without having a farmer toon i'd of never made an aps class.

SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear · March 2012

The only "nerf" that would do anything for the fun of the game would be to nerf the actual boutique.

Make it so that only vanity items and things that don't affect the actual power someone has are available through any means other than playing the game itself.

PWE could still make money (look at people who will pay 100s of millions of coins or hundreds of RL bucks for a mount that doesn't even go any faster, or a barely noticeable amount if anything, than other mounts they could get for way cheaper. Also, don't even act like you don't see hundreds of players who got fully extended and full Wardrobes before they even have decent gear.

Before you say PWE won't do this because they are greedy, let me correct you. They won't do it because they are greedy AND ignorant of many fundamentals of running a business. The average MMO game has an addiction rate worse than heroin or crack, but even the hardest addict won't keep coming back for bunk dope. PWE is alienating far many more people than they actually cater to.

If you run a business, you want more patrons for that business, correct? Or do you want to shoo away potential consumers because you already have a good handful? Free players and people who may spend modest amounts of money are just as important to the longevity of these games as the supershoppers. In fact, one could successfully defend the position they are more important to the longevity of the game.

What happens when everyone has quit the game besides a handful of die-hard CSers? Oh, and they all have full Rank9 +12, etc? They probably won't even play with each other, because that kind of people generally can't stand a fair fight (Hence why they've paid thousands to protect against it). Then everyone will realize they should have done something to keep a steady influx of new players coming in, even if for nothing more than cannon fodder. By then, the Golden Goose will be dead, having no further ability to lay eggs. Game Over. But by all means, PWE, carry on.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear · March 2012

SolomonSmash - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The only "nerf" that would do anything for the fun of the game would be to nerf the actual boutique.

Make it so that only vanity items and things that don't affect the actual power someone has are available through any means other than playing the game itself.

PWE could still make money (look at people who will pay 100s of millions of coins or hundreds of RL bucks for a mount that doesn't even go any faster, or a barely noticeable amount if anything, than other mounts they could get for way cheaper. Also, don't even act like you don't see hundreds of players who got fully extended and full Wardrobes before they even have decent gear.

Before you say PWE won't do this because they are greedy, let me correct you. They won't do it because they are greedy AND ignorant of many fundamentals of running a business. The average MMO game has an addiction rate worse than heroin or crack, but even the hardest addict won't keep coming back for bunk dope. PWE is alienating far many more people than they actually cater to.

If you run a business, you want more patrons for that business, correct? Or do you want to shoo away potential consumers because you already have a good handful? Free players and people who may spend modest amounts of money are just as important to the longevity of these games as the supershoppers. In fact, one could successfully defend the position they are more important to the longevity of the game.

What happens when everyone has quit the game besides a handful of die-hard CSers? Oh, and they all have full Rank9 +12, etc? They probably won't even play with each other, because that kind of people generally can't stand a fair fight (Hence why they've paid thousands to protect against it). Then everyone will realize they should have done something to keep a steady influx of new players coming in, even if for nothing more than cannon fodder. By then, the Golden Goose will be dead, having no further ability to lay eggs. Game Over. But by all means, PWE, carry on.

This +10000000000

Seriously

I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't know very many people who actually put down $2000+ for R9 plus full refines. There's maybe a handful, meaning, some in big TW guilds and a few here and there in other random guilds.

I have spent well over that over the last 3 years, but I don't have a single piece of R9 gear lol. I spend modestly over time and it does add up after a while. I'm sure huge CSers have put down even more than I have over that same time span if they're even still on the game.

And people who spend even less than I have are also just as important of course. So yes, you're absolutely right. I knew a few people who left this game for good when R9 first went into the CS.

Sometimes I think D. orbs (over 1 star) should be removed too, because that +12 orb sale that was fleeting ended up making even more people OP. Course it's a little late to remove those, even if they did there are still those players that have the +12 gear for cheap compared to what it would've been combining 1 star orbs. One could argue the +10 orb sales should go too, but it wont. That one probably makes even more cash than the +12 sale did.

Zalm - Dreamweaver · March 2012

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mkay, everyone and their cow has this brilliant plan on how to 'fix' this game.

'remove bloodpaint'

'Cap APS at 2.86'

'1% chance to drop your weapon per hit'

ETC.

Some get pretty insane, some are stupid (like dropping bound items).

So really, as someone who has 2.86, 3.33, 4.0 (sage), and 5.0 characters, as well as casters...

I can say, without a doubt, if Wanmei just went and capped APS at 2.86, I'd quit. Without a thought.

At this point, there's a lot of you that would say 'good, we don't want you here *rageface*', but, is that REALLY good for YOU? If well geared players are going to quit, what's going to happen to your FCC's? I don't sell FCC's, but those people who do will probably give up doing so and quit.

Those Nirvana runs that are so easy to find will suddenly become nearly impossible to find.

Finding help for BH, FB, and other associated difficult things will become difficult.

Making money for your caster alts... Will get much, much harder.

Gold prices will go down. (I know a lot of you will go "YAAAAAY!!!! I CAN BUY GOLD!!!!!!111") And then, the Gold Trading will be empty, because nobody will be charging anymore.

Why? Because something that people worked hard at to achieve, well, some of us worked hard at, was just taken away, and there was no compensation given. Grind, merchant, cash shop, however it was achieved, it was earned somehow (some of us DO work for the money we put into the cash shop).

I like playing TW. Win or lose, as long as it's not a 30 second (exaggerating here, since a lot of you diaper-wearing neanderthals don't understand the concept) roll, it's fun. The 6 month reset is going to increase the fun value of TW. But my sin is 4.0 Sage, and only Nirvana/R8, sharded with Vit Shards, so if APS got nerfed, I'd have to re-do my build, or scrap the character completely. Unlike a lot of others, I never did Goonz, so that was a lot of time, effort, and soloing FCC wasted. I'd simply quit this game, and find something else to do if it happened.

And I'm one of those people who used to put gold into the AH for you other people to buy (not very much, but some).

I'm all for fixing the balance of this game, but it should be done right. Make Casters more OP in PVE, instead of making APS weaker.

PS: If you don't want to read a wall of text, use the 'back' button on your browser, and find another thread.

WEE...go away you noob. I'm a cleric, I'll never have a problem in this game. btw...this IS my main, so I dont do anything for alts.

Desdi - Sanctuary · March 2012

I'll have to agree with many posters here. What killed the game is people with wallets and gear being added to the boutique so that people with wallets can buy it.

Don't get me wrong. I've nothing against the people who charge a lot (unless they fail at playing their class b:chuckle). If I had the luxury to charge that much I'd have probably given in the temptation and get some of my gear that way as well. I only charged a modest amount each month but as of now I'm no longer charging due to needing the money for college.

The game itself, the way it was initially developed, was alright. -int gear existed from the start and so did rank gear but it was much much harder to acquire so everyone had the average gear required to survive the PvE content. Honestly, assassins may be a little overpowered or whatever you like to call them but had aps, high lvl orbs and rank gear been hard to get they, the assassins, wouldn't be as godly as now. They wouldn't have that high aps and consequently bloodpaint wouldn't replace clerics etc. Similarly, psychics wouldn't have that crazy amount of soulforce and so on.

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary · March 2012

Hmmm, let's sum some things up.

1) PWE, the local company that hosts our version of this game, killed off the balance by putting LOLpacks up in Boutique for cheap with epic gear in them.

2) PVE balance is non-existent because of APS. Does anyone invite R9+12 Wizzies to Nirvana? No.

3) R9 and stupid cheap refining broke PVP. Starter Wand +12 will turn small villages into craters with a slight thought on the wielder's mind.

4) Nerfing APS, refines, or R9 will **** off people who have spent lots of money on said gear, and they are highly likely to leave.

Sooooo...

What we want is:

1) PVE Balance. Put LOLpacks in boutique with OMGWTFBBQ gear for casters only, that effect PVE only. Make that Wizzy desired for Nirvana.

2) PVP can be fixed with a tiered system, which is funny since every other MMO I've played has such a system for group PVP. 1v1 PVP is much less broken in the fact that I've never seen gear drop in any other game before.

What we don't want is:

1) Something that breaks the game worse

2) Stupid nerfs that insult people who have spent money on the game

3) More pointless expansions that don't address the balance issues

I should hope this is concise, if it's not understood, then please, do speak up.

karmelia · March 2012

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary wrote: »

R9 its too OP?,oh wait,R9 its supposed to be OP b:avoid

It was not meant to be so easy to obtain. It should never have been made available from the cash shop to begin with.

Zalm - Dreamweaver · March 2012

karmelia wrote: »

It was not meant to be so easy to obtain. It should never have been made available from the cash shop to begin with.

...easy to obtain? might I show you this? http://pwi-wiki.perfectworld.com/index.php/Rank_and_Reputation/RankIX

Note the area where it breaks down the pricing for Rank gear from Boutique.
If some of you are to lazy to read...lemme summarize.

'Total:
300,000 Reputation (108 Gold)
19 Medals of Glory (380 Gold)
205 General Summer's Tokens (1025 Gold)
1513 Gold'

That's roughly $1500 real world dollars...this doest not include the fact that you must lvl all the way to 101 to even USE the rank gear. 1500!!! This doesn't sound like its 'easy' to obtain, just for rich **** more likely.

Azizsixer - Raging Tide · March 2012

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmmm, let's sum some things up.

1) PWE, the local company that hosts our version of this game, killed off the balance by putting LOLpacks up in Boutique for cheap with epic gear in them.

2) PVE balance is non-existent because of APS. Does anyone invite R9+12 Wizzies to Nirvana? No.

3) R9 and stupid cheap refining broke PVP. Starter Wand +12 will turn small villages into craters with a slight thought on the wielder's mind.

4) Nerfing APS, refines, or R9 will **** off people who have spent lots of money on said gear, and they are highly likely to leave.

Sooooo...

What we want is:

1) PVE Balance. Put LOLpacks in boutique with OMGWTFBBQ gear for casters only, that effect PVE only. Make that Wizzy desired for Nirvana.

2) PVP can be fixed with a tiered system, which is funny since every other MMO I've played has such a system for group PVP. 1v1 PVP is much less broken in the fact that I've never seen gear drop in any other game before.

What we don't want is:

1) Something that breaks the game worse

2) Stupid nerfs that insult people who have spent money on the game

3) More pointless expansions that don't address the balance issues

I should hope this is concise, if it's not understood, then please, do speak up.

Rather curious, what about Clerics/Psys(LOL Like they need help being more op)/Mystics?
Every class has a roll. True the lines are skewed, but all this talk about class balance, I wonder how its possible for a caster, to solo casters in under 20 mins? Doesn't that simply mean they can be op as well? (Don't make me go look for the thread for proof rather lazy atm)

Not trying to argue or anything, but Casters have an entire nv instance for themselves, and seriously? APS Ruining pvp/tw? Archers are where the real QQ is at. It really does suck when you're just about to kill someone and BAM out of no where that op BIDS drops down from the sky on a crit taking out everyone in the area.

I'm not even talking R9 here. R8/Nirvy gear already hits hard. And I seriously lol @ the ppl that go all aps in pk. Besides, isn't the expansion supposed to address that? At least with regards to wizzies n barbs? (Yea I knw the skills aren't available yet but its pwe's "thing" to be forever late)

Just my view. Actual APS hasn't ruined the game, it's people's mindset. They want everything done in as less time as possible. If you sit back and enjoy your class, you'll meet other like minded individuals who share the same joy in playing the game. Everyone enjoys the game differently. If you're an APS Idiot, then by all means go aps away if that floats your boat.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · March 2012

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hmmm, let's sum some things up.

I commend you on your successful QQ thread. As if PWI needed another one of these. b:victory

Semis_Inferi - Archosaur · March 2012

>.> busy spending the amount for r9 stuffs (thinking ahead of time),got the 19 medals of glory,working on the summer tokens....

if the spending limit wasnt so low i wouldve had all the stuff in 5 seconds,,,but im happy with the way it`s going ^^

thesmartass · March 2012

My opinion: Max aps should be 3.33 b:bye

Leave BP as it is, leave chi gain as it is, leave damage and accuracy as it aways been.

mrpeach69 · March 2012

-facepalm-

OMG how many threads need to be made to QQ about this or that?!?!

"QQ I can't afford an aps character" is all I get from threads like this. If you're in a good guild, you shouldn't have any trouble forming a mixed squad for anything. Wouldn't you prefer someone with high aps in squad for faster runs? You can get more done in one day!!

Can't a wizzy get enough dps from high refines and stacked chan? YES the chan and refines would cost a lot, but so does APS!!

Just play the damn game...nuf sed.

Semis_Inferi - Archosaur · March 2012

mrpeach69 wrote: »

-facepalm-

OMG how many threads need to be made to QQ about this or that?!?!

"QQ I can't afford an aps character" is all I get from threads like this. If you're in a good guild, you shouldn't have any trouble forming a mixed squad for anything. Wouldn't you prefer someone with high aps in squad for faster runs? You can get more done in one day!!

Can't a wizzy get enough dps from high refines and stacked chan? YES the chan and refines would cost a lot, but so does APS!!

Just play the damn game...nuf sed.

good point person :d,im working on getting - channeling gear meself

AnimaBlanc - Sanctuary · March 2012

mrpeach69 wrote: »

-facepalm-

OMG how many threads need to be made to QQ about this or that?!?!

"QQ I can't afford an aps character" is all I get from threads like this. If you're in a good guild, you shouldn't have any trouble forming a mixed squad for anything. Wouldn't you prefer someone with high aps in squad for faster runs? You can get more done in one day!!

Can't a wizzy get enough dps from high refines and stacked chan? YES the chan and refines would cost a lot, but so does APS!!

Just play the damn game...nuf sed.

As much as i dont fully agree with OP here. You sir seriously FAIL to read =\

"Threads like this" huh ?

In case you had actually -read- the thread, OP has several aps characters AND caster classes.

Just because other people turn this thread around in a QQ fest dont mean it's another one of those QQ threads you, yourself, QQ about.

b:bye

Deant - Raging Tide · March 2012

Face it, the real fail came with the TB expansion. Both new classes are more powerful than the others. U all complain about aps and sins, but the psy is even more op with his debuffs, reflects,auras. Before tideborn there was abit of a balance. now its way worst with the newest classes. And u cant blame... noone will play them if they are not better than the old orginal classes. Like the mistyc.. its cute and such... but not realy good for anything.

VKnightV - Lost City · March 2012

Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »

Rather curious, what about Clerics/Psys(LOL Like they need help being more op)/Mystics?
Every class has a roll. True the lines are skewed, but all this talk about class balance, I wonder how its possible for a caster, to solo casters in under 20 mins? Doesn't that simply mean they can be op as well? (Don't make me go look for the thread for proof rather lazy atm)

Not trying to argue or anything, but Casters have an entire nv instance for themselves, and seriously? APS Ruining pvp/tw? Archers are where the real QQ is at. It really does suck when you're just about to kill someone and BAM out of no where that op BIDS drops down from the sky on a crit taking out everyone in the area.

I'm not even talking R9 here. R8/Nirvy gear already hits hard. And I seriously lol @ the ppl that go all aps in pk. Besides, isn't the expansion supposed to address that? At least with regards to wizzies n barbs? (Yea I knw the skills aren't available yet but its pwe's "thing" to be forever late)

Just my view. Actual APS hasn't ruined the game, it's people's mindset. They want everything done in as less time as possible. If you sit back and enjoy your class, you'll meet other like minded individuals who share the same joy in playing the game. Everyone enjoys the game differently. If you're an APS Idiot, then by all means go aps away if that floats your boat.

i cannot see this tho i only see aps melee nowdays everyone is apsing away liek mad men
in pve in pvp and in duels.

hell most if all sin and bm i meet on my barb say without aps i cant win mind set

in duel i use demon bramble cos they love stun aps so much i feel they should feel there own damage being reflected back at them.

in pve most melee think nv as end game and what is nv aps place

if nv was dead and left was trial and new expension we would see much less aps i am sure

my two cent bored of waiting for a aps nerf b:bye

Toliman - Raging Tide · March 2012

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mkay, everyone and their cow has this brilliant plan on how to 'fix' this game.

'remove bloodpaint'

'Cap APS at 2.86'

'1% chance to drop your weapon per hit'

ETC.
Some get pretty insane, some are stupid (like dropping bound items).

So really, as someone who has 2.86, 3.33, 4.0 (sage), and 5.0 characters, as well as casters...

I can say, without a doubt, if Wanmei just went and capped APS at 2.86, I'd quit. Without a thought.
Welcome to our boat. I know many Wizards who started APS characters or quit after Tideborn expansion. Happy joney !!!

At this point, there's a lot of you that would say 'good, we don't want you here *rageface*', but, is that REALLY good for YOU? If well geared players are going to quit, what's going to happen to your FCC's? I don't sell FCC's, but those people who do will probably give up doing so and quit.
And we will start to play in squads again without: "looking for 4 of some class only ... or 4 aps only"

Those Nirvana runs that are so easy to find will suddenly become nearly impossible to find.

Finding help for BH, FB, and other associated difficult things will become difficult.

All bh, fb and other instances designed to do in squad of people with same level range.

Making money for your caster alts... Will get much, much harder.

But will get more easy for those who have casters as their main.

Gold prices will go down. (I know a lot of you will go "YAAAAAY!!!! I CAN BUY GOLD!!!!!!111") And then, the Gold Trading will be empty, because nobody will be charging anymore.
If it dependent from sales of the packs and casters will have same posibilities as melee, they will need pack items too may be. Can't compare with pre-Tideborn period when price of gold was about 300k.
Why? Because something that people worked hard at to achieve, well, some of us worked hard at, was just taken away, and there was no compensation given. Grind, merchant, cash shop, however it was achieved, it was earned somehow (some of us DO work for the money we put into the cash shop).
What mean, that other classes must work twice because you want so.

....
I'm all for fixing the balance of this game, but it should be done right. Make Casters more OP in PVE, instead of making APS weaker.
OOO, then high level casters will be able to sell some runs too (like TM69, FC , etc.)
...

Read my comments if you want.

VKnightV - Lost City · March 2012

mrpeach69 wrote: »

-facepalm-

OMG how many threads need to be made to QQ about this or that?!?!

"QQ I can't afford an aps character" is all I get from threads like this. If you're in a good guild, you shouldn't have any trouble forming a mixed squad for anything. Wouldn't you prefer someone with high aps in squad for faster runs? You can get more done in one day!!

Can't a wizzy get enough dps from high refines and stacked chan? YES the chan and refines would cost a lot, but so does APS!!

Just play the damn game...nuf sed.

lol why would i give a damn about a cheap *** thing as aps is compare to my r9

and yet aps ppl still think they should steal agro and kill faster when i was teh oen with bigger wallet and i should at the least 1 shoot the boss dosent that become more fair

so stop thinking by ur aps *** and think for a minute

in no way should aps be stronger then r9 or its broken sorry but if mien cost more i should
do more damage and it dosent so wtf.

NERF APS r9 need to rule i spent more then aps qq

VKnightV - Lost City · March 2012

Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »

Mkay, everyone and their cow has this brilliant plan on how to 'fix' this game.

'remove bloodpaint'

'Cap APS at 2.86'

'1% chance to drop your weapon per hit'

ETC.

Some get pretty insane, some are stupid (like dropping bound items).

So really, as someone who has 2.86, 3.33, 4.0 (sage), and 5.0 characters, as well as casters...

I can say, without a doubt, if Wanmei just went and capped APS at 2.86, I'd quit. Without a thought.

At this point, there's a lot of you that would say 'good, we don't want you here *rageface*', but, is that REALLY good for YOU? If well geared players are going to quit, what's going to happen to your FCC's? I don't sell FCC's, but those people who do will probably give up doing so and quit.

Those Nirvana runs that are so easy to find will suddenly become nearly impossible to find.

Finding help for BH, FB, and other associated difficult things will become difficult.

Making money for your caster alts... Will get much, much harder.

Gold prices will go down. (I know a lot of you will go "YAAAAAY!!!! I CAN BUY GOLD!!!!!!111") And then, the Gold Trading will be empty, because nobody will be charging anymore.

Why? Because something that people worked hard at to achieve, well, some of us worked hard at, was just taken away, and there was no compensation given. Grind, merchant, cash shop, however it was achieved, it was earned somehow (some of us DO work for the money we put into the cash shop).

I like playing TW. Win or lose, as long as it's not a 30 second (exaggerating here, since a lot of you diaper-wearing neanderthals don't understand the concept) roll, it's fun. The 6 month reset is going to increase the fun value of TW. But my sin is 4.0 Sage, and only Nirvana/R8, sharded with Vit Shards, so if APS got nerfed, I'd have to re-do my build, or scrap the character completely. Unlike a lot of others, I never did Goonz, so that was a lot of time, effort, and soloing FCC wasted. I'd simply quit this game, and find something else to do if it happened.

And I'm one of those people who used to put gold into the AH for you other people to buy (not very much, but some).

I'm all for fixing the balance of this game, but it should be done right. Make Casters more OP in PVE, instead of making APS weaker.

PS: If you don't want to read a wall of text, use the 'back' button on your browser, and find another thread.

well then i to wish my r9 is more OP i did put up with this game and after 4 years i bought
my r9 to stand up to aps without going aps myself and woot aps still OUT damage me.

so yes aps need to die my weapon is way more expensive and it should do more damage so you have a much bigger problem if you think ur TINY aps should out agro my r9.

get out of ur aps *** and smell the air APS is weak and its about time it dies

i should have my r9 axe easy out agro and kill bosses faster and give me money i worked hard for it to.

i think it sound as fair as ur aps talk no

Seascraper - Sanctuary · March 2012

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

well then i to wish my r9 is more OP i did put up with this game and after 4 years i bought
my r9 to stand up to aps without going aps myself and woot aps still OUT damage me.

so yes aps need to die my weapon is way more expensive and it should do more damage so you have a much bigger problem if you think ur TINY aps should out agro my r9.

get out of ur aps *** and smell the air APS is weak and its about time it dies

i should have my r9 axe easy out agro and kill bosses faster and give me money i worked hard for it to.

i think it sound as fair as ur aps talk no

independing of pve or not one thing we all know... casters r9 can turn the tables in TW/PvP by what? whipe out 1 or more squads with just 1 hit? in the time you do dmg to a full squad the 5aps +12 cant even get close to it. a caster is not meant to go on 1 on 1...

Nerf this, kill that, 20% accuracy reduction...

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