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VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »wonder if fist let you use skills
Archers can actually use their both melee skills with any weapon.
And even funnier, you said that to a r9 archer...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »1. 90% of casters are pissed of very few caster vana's a day to aps's getting infinite *if they save keys, we can't save talismans*
2. the aps nerf, once they fix it so that it's actually 20% miss chance regardless of accuracy like it was originally planned as, aps's will start leaving.
3. archers with stealth lol, i just lol
4. glitches - so many glitches, and the 1 they fix is the one that helped balance
so basicly . . . . . . . . all in all . . . . . .. . . . . including greed . . . . . . . .
1. nerf caster vana by limiting it so they get desparate and either charge, or make an apser
2. they finally fix the aps nerf to work properly so then they get pissed again and either leave or charge for r9.
3. i mean dude, one of the highest dmg range rapers in the game given stealth. sin was limited becasue their bad against many opponents, archers are good against many lol especially if they jump
4. caster vana fixed, . . . . of all things they fix a casters income lol. so the same as #1, add on top of it the very large amount of errors and glitches that just come with the patch and client alone. on top of the very very large list of ones that NEED to be addressed, yet the only one they even fix is the one that gives casters a fighting chance.
the list could go on endlessly, add to it if you wish, we can always use more reasons. but hey i may not be able to play pwi regardless so frankly idk anymore it doesn't seem like it's my problem no more
HAVE FUN CASTERS charging, or apsing with sin/bm since they keep ruining any chance we have at every turn, we get a chance they realize it and shut it down.
1.ye many already left and many more will do
2. hmm so minor i cant see any effect actually
3. lol
4. i agree with casters (i was actually raised wiz for caster) but the worst thing they illigal give norway and switzland the tax...wow dont do that because they follows law...and u all know that pwi is the only game that dives game complete without beta...we suffers for all their fails lol
so pwi can suck my balls and there will still be no money lol0 -
For me this thread looks like some people should take a break or actually enjoy the game instead of trying to make coins as much as possible b:laugh0
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Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »Quick question to all those caster that automatically assume 5 aps = instant coin....do you really think a 5 aps sin is that easy to come by? No seriously. A 5 aps bm sounds cool and everything but lets be real, no one is QQing about a 5 aps bm...its the 5 aps sins.
To get 5 aps you need to spend a ****load of coin and most times charge zen. Plus you need to have high refines on ur gear, ALL your gear. Have you seen how lame a 5 aps sin with +10 wep and +3 armour really is? I'll tell you, they suck -_-
Pro aps sqds doing a run in 5 mins? Yes yes nice and everything but does that mean everyone gets into these "pro" squads?
r8+10 caster sqds take 20-25 mins per run
r8+10 2.86/3.33 sqds take the same time
If you dont wana charge zen and be all uber 5 aps +12 or sumn then just play the game.
You really expect caster nirvana to give you instant r9+12 o.O
Ima 2.5 sage sin, that takes a non aps barb a sage bm, a 2.86 aps +5 sin, a cleric and an archer into nirvy and we take 20 mins to do a run. Problem? I think not -_-
If as a caster you cant find a regular nirvy sqd it simply means you have no friends. Go make some or stop QQing.
Btw just pay a sin or someone to open with their talisman after their bh for u then go in after.
Useless QQ is Useless
your telling me 5aps mean best killing mashine becose of cost you sir i dumb sir
5aps compare to r9 axe cost wise who is costly and who deal most damage wise to farm with
yes aps seriusly aps is freaking SHEAP so before you open your lil mouth think before you talk OK.
guys let make 5aps cost at least r9 axe +10 at least before you open your mouth then i will admit you should keep agro and kill thing fast.0 -
VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »your telling me 5aps mean best killing mashine becose of cost you sir i dumb sir
5aps compare to r9 axe cost wise who is costly and who deal most damage wise to farm with
yes aps seriusly aps is freaking SHEAP so before you open your lil mouth think before you talk OK.
guys let make 5aps cost at least r9 axe +10 at least before you open your mouth then i will admit you should keep agro and kill thing fast.
Firstly, English please? I'm not even going to bother seriously commenting on that utter piece of rubbish you just said. You're obviously one of those fools that would rush to get 5 aps with God awful refines.
I know the cost of aps, in case you didnt realize, I'm a sin -_-
Its sad that everyone is QQing about aps. Live with it or move on to another game. Just so you know, the real QQ is @ 4 aps r9. Heck 2.86 r9 sage is a beast.
Please, I'm begging you, use some common sense and at least readable english (or something close to it) before you reply b:shutup0 -
RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yknow there are ways to make money without running instances like Nirvana. Ever heard of merchanting? No charging zen required. Sure you may start with a low amount of money but playing the right markets will help you get to the point where you make decent money if you're patient enough.
I'm quite guilty of charging zen I admit, but thanks to a lot of guidance from here, it's getting to the point where I hope I wont need to.
And like someone else mentioned already, having a 5.0 sin must be really nice. Yes it is, as I have one too specifically for farming Nirvana or running the occassional Frost. But to get her to the point where I could actually be useful took a lot of time and money. I'm just thankful when I was building her up, I had a great group of friends who helped me farm Nirvana despite my having only 2.86 or so aps at the time. As far as refines went however, it can get quite expensive.
I would honestly much rather play my mystic for everything, but it's true. The limited caster Nirvana sucks. I'm glad it is there should I ever want to do it, but the time limit on them sucks a lot, and I hate you can't stack them like keys. :shrug:
5aps isnt the most expensive cost wise r9 is and even with one a 5aps sin will still out agro and kill thing faster.
stop acting like aps is god for the money its NOT aps should be sht damage becouse its sheap as hell sorry to say.
even bm and barb will so again aps need nurf NOW0 -
Umm, Have you seen what an r9 sin is capable of? No seriously, go, first page of the sin forum, look for a thread by Skai with a ton of vids actually nvm lemme get the link:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1261551
Now watch said vids, including damage logs. Show me where a 5 aps sin with g13 can take aggro from that. Heck only with perfect g15 or something close to it can you out dd r9.
If I'm wrong, then by all means show me some proof and I'll concede.0 -
VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yknow there are ways to make money without running instances like Nirvana. Ever heard of merchanting? No charging zen required. Sure you may start with a low amount of money but playing the right markets will help you get to the point where you make decent money if you're patient enough.
I'm quite guilty of charging zen I admit, but thanks to a lot of guidance from here, it's getting to the point where I hope I wont need to.
And like someone else mentioned already, having a 5.0 sin must be really nice. Yes it is, as I have one too specifically for farming Nirvana or running the occassional Frost. But to get her to the point where I could actually be useful took a lot of time and money. I'm just thankful when I was building her up, I had a great group of friends who helped me farm Nirvana despite my having only 2.86 or so aps at the time. As far as refines went however, it can get quite expensive.
I would honestly much rather play my mystic for everything, but it's true. The limited caster Nirvana sucks. I'm glad it is there should I ever want to do it, but the time limit on them sucks a lot, and I hate you can't stack them like keys. :shrug:
5aps isnt the most expensive cost wise r9 is and even with one a 5aps sin will still out agro and kill thing faster.
stop acting like aps is god for the money its NOT aps should be sht damage becouse its sheap as hell sorry to say.
even bm and barb will so again aps need nurf NOW
Did I say 5.0 sin was God? no lol. But it helps me get into squads I otherwise wouldn't as a mystic. I saw plenty of prejudice against mystic as I levelled this one even as far as BH went (and we're talking 90s BH). someone once kicked me so they could invite an Assassin instead. Fair? No, of course not. I blacklisted that A-hole stat lol. Not everyone is that way but i'm just using it as an example.
The problem isn't just APS, it's the attitude of the community here. People want everything to happen in as little time as possible. If you make awesome friends who will take you to everything regardless, that's awesome. I do too. But having a high damage dealing character like an assassin has its perks.
Honestly if I were really aiming only to make money, I would merchant for everything. Truth of the matter is, it is nice to go into TT (or some other instance) and be able to solo it with just my mystic and my assassin. Granted you can't do EVERYTHING, but you can do enough. I can farm for most of what I need by myself without having to make squads with randoms. More drops for me too, obviously.
In a way, Assassins are like the new Herc Venomancer. People used to cry about Venos being able to solo TT and make way more cash than any other class. Well, now the new "money makers" are 5.0 Sins and BMs lol... did people quit the game when Hercules went into cash shop, thus enabling Venos to solo TT back in 2008 or 09-ish? Nope. It just became the norm, just like APS have.
Granted... the way APS have affected things like PvP is a whole other matter.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »Firstly, English please? I'm not even going to bother seriously commenting on that utter piece of rubbish you just said. You're obviously one of those fools that would rush to get 5 aps with God awful refines.
I know the cost of aps, in case you didnt realize, I'm a sin -_-
Its sad that everyone is QQing about aps. Live with it or move on to another game. Just so you know, the real QQ is @ 4 aps r9. Heck 2.86 r9 sage is a beast.
Please, I'm begging you, use some common sense and at least readable english (or something close to it) before you reply b:shutup
let see compare the cost of a 5aps to r9 hell i should be 1 shooting bosses and nope dosent happen.
you sir is un bigger idiot to think 5aps is worth the cost as i said r9 is much bigger investment and it not even close but hell soon aps will feel the sting yet again.
wonder wish is bigger r9 or 5aps b:surrender cos you sure make me wonder.0 -
Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »Firstly, English please? I'm not even going to bother seriously commenting on that utter piece of rubbish you just said. You're obviously one of those fools that would rush to get 5 aps with God awful refines.
I know the cost of aps, in case you didnt realize, I'm a sin -_-
Its sad that everyone is QQing about aps. Live with it or move on to another game. Just so you know, the real QQ is @ 4 aps r9. Heck 2.86 r9 sage is a beast.
Please, I'm begging you, use some common sense and at least readable english (or something close to it) before you reply b:shutup
ooh and you sir is a fool and poor to if you think there is nothing wrong with 5aps
but i am done now lil fishies do not interest me0 -
Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »Umm, Have you seen what an r9 sin is capable of? No seriously, go, first page of the sin forum, look for a thread by Skai with a ton of vids actually nvm lemme get the link:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1261551
Now watch said vids, including damage logs. Show me where a 5 aps sin with g13 can take aggro from that. Heck only with perfect g15 or something close to it can you out dd r9.
If I'm wrong, then by all means show me some proof and I'll concede.
show me a barb do same thing with axe PLZ a r9 barb as i am one i know what i am talking about
aps is so sheap its disgusting
now show me something i can belive on before you post plz0 -
Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »so basicly . . . . . . . . all in all . . . . . .. . . . . including greed . . . . . . . .
so basically all in all my own views
1. nerf caster vana by limiting it so they get desparate and either charge, or make an apser
casters can still do regular nirvana (heck a lot that i know prefer it over the caster nirvy - and even go more often than i do)
2. they finally fix the aps nerf to work properly so then they get pissed again and either leave or charge for r9.
use a pdef debuff in PvE and voila you have 100% accuracy. this still works and doesnt affect aps at all in reality.
3. i mean dude, one of the highest dmg range rapers in the game given stealth. sin was limited becasue their bad against many opponents, archers are good against many lol especially if they jump
I dont really have issues with many archers myself unless they are R9 or I'm getting ganked. As i understand it, they move at .1 m/sec in stealth and can pretty much only use normal attacks in stealth. idk about you but that alone is pretty insufficient to kill me in most situations, though of course it can prove to be quite the nuisance.
4. caster vana fixed, . . . . of all things they fix a casters income lol. so the same as #1, add on top of it the very large amount of errors and glitches that just come with the patch and client alone. on top of the very very large list of ones that NEED to be addressed, yet the only one they even fix is the one that gives casters a fighting chance.
refer back above. casters aren't limited at all by pwe/pwi - they are all given the same opportunities (perhaps even more) as melee classes. If casters are being limited at all - its by the player base, not the developers.
the list could go on endlessly, add to it if you wish, we can always use more reasons. but hey i may not be able to play pwi regardless so frankly idk anymore it doesn't seem like it's my problem no more
HAVE FUN CASTERS charging, or apsing with sin/bm since they keep ruining any chance we have at every turn, we get a chance they realize it and shut it down.
seems to me like this is just your way of looking at it[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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TheDendra - Harshlands wrote: »LOL @ Caster nirvana bringing 2much cannies/raps to market or whatever - seriously? Then what the *** are 5aps nirvanas?
1 pro caster nirvana (15mins) = 3 pro aps nirvanas (5mins each)
So where the *** is the problem? It was balanced and for a change the whole f** server didn't have to reroll sins to make some money. It's hilarious how aps classes make it sound as if caster nirvana is equal to 99 keys quest and how it's op, well listen you bunch of hypocrites, isn't it op an aps squad makes 10times more money in an hour than a normal nirvana ran with casters?
So **** you had it easy for over 2years with a HUGE advantage over casters and suddenly when we get a chance to make money, you start btching about it as if it's gonna ruin your day.
No, we don't have a choice other than running caster nirvanas because a normal run takes a f** hour for us. Amount of normal nirvanas 5aps classes do in 2hours, we would be able to do in a day, yap sounds pretty fair to me.
How greedy can you **** get? It isn't enough you deal 10times more damage than casters in pve, now you also want to keep all the profit to yourselves. Well *** that, I wish you all get nerfed to 2aps and then we can enjoy watching you do your pro nirvana runs at a reasonable pace.
I think I love you.
It makes me so sad to see the Sins in my faction "racing to make 110 million in a week" off of nivana and soloing (then selling) FC exp rooms. I'm slowly resigning to the fact that if I want to make any money in this game (other than by C$ing) I need to make a sin. how SAD is that....[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Changuita - Harshlands wrote: »I think I love you.
It makes me so sad to see the Sins in my faction "racing to make 110 million in a week" off of nivana and soloing (then selling) FC exp rooms. I'm slowly resigning to the fact that if I want to make any money in this game (other than by C$ing) I need to make a sin. how SAD is that....
Could you feel any more entitled to everything? Seriously....
If I want to aoe 1-shot large groups of people in TW in this game I need to make a mage? How sad is that.
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Changuita - Harshlands wrote: »I think I love you.
It makes me so sad to see the Sins in my faction "racing to make 110 million in a week" off of nivana and soloing (then selling) FC exp rooms. I'm slowly resigning to the fact that if I want to make any money in this game (other than by C$ing) I need to make a sin. how SAD is that....
Wrong. You can merchant.
Merchanting does not care about your level, your class, or your gear. Anyone and everyone can do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »Wrong. You can merchant.
Merchanting does not care about your level, your class, or your gear. Anyone and everyone can do it.
I get the sneaking suspicion PWE is trying to nerf merchanting too.0 -
Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »I get the sneaking suspicion PWE is trying to nerf merchanting too.
So then, merchanting must be the most OP class, not sins. b:puzzled[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »So then, merchanting must be the most OP class, not sins. b:puzzled
Of course. Sin's pay PWE, usually. Merchants run interference on PWE's income. We are the enemy.0 -
Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »Wrong. You can merchant.
Merchanting does not care about your level, your class, or your gear. Anyone and everyone can do it.
Thank you. It's like when I said it, it went over everyones' heads. >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »Wrong. You can merchant.
Merchanting does not care about your level, your class, or your gear. Anyone and everyone can do it.
Should you be forced to CS/Merchant to play the game efficiently? No. Merchanting isn't playing the game. It's playing the market. The economy can be fun, yes. You can make a lot of coin, yes. Problem is, you're afk the entire time. Epic gaming skills.0 -
Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Should you be forced to CS/Merchant to play the game efficiently? No. Merchanting isn't playing the game. It's playing the market. The economy can be fun, yes. You can make a lot of coin, yes. Problem is, you're afk the entire time. Epic gaming skills.
That is true. Way I see it however is, it's a Chinese game. It's either grind grind grind, farm farm farm, or merch merch merch. To me farming the same instance all day is no better than being AFK because it just becomes mundane. At least for merchanting you can set up an alt and leave it there while you find other things to do.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Or you can just grind irl doing all those boring job or fun if you are one of those who lucky to get your dream or easy job with high paycheck. Charge some zen then convert it to in game coins, easy + help you gaining irl experience in case you want to change job someday or saving funds for making a big family or irl merchanting.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »At least for merchanting you can set up an alt and leave it there while you find other things to do.
Exactly. With the multiclienting rules, you aren't limited to setting up a shop and then doing nothing. Set up a shop, do whatever you want on your main. When I go to work or to sleep, I usually set up a second shop. I mean, there's no reason not to, since I can't play anything at that time anyway.
Every game is going to have some sort of restrictions in them. I have yet to encounter a single game where you can pick any class available and be just as powerful/efficient at everything as every other class. My point essentially is that merchanting is an option that everyone can take advantage of. It's not necessary to roll a class you don't want to play just to be successful in game.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »show me a barb do same thing with axe PLZ a r9 barb as i am one i know what i am talking about
aps is so sheap its disgusting
now show me something i can belive on before you post plz
Was too lazy to multi quote you. Learn to edit instead of triple posting please.
A barb, is what we call the "TANKING CLASS" It's not supposed to do the same. That like telling me "Why can't a cleric aoe dd better than a wizzie"
Or better yet. Why cant a barb aoe heal. Its just not the way the game works.
I said 5 aps, and not just yay i have a 5 aps chara with +2 refines. EFFECTIVE 5 aps is costly. Very costly. R9 Is far most costly. And you get what you pay for. R9 is simply op. Any class with r9 is op. Simple as that.
5 aps is also op, just not as op as R9 but it still it. Before you go talking more trash, because that's what you're doing, in a very horrible mess of the English language, I am quite opposed to 5 aps. I see it as a major flaw in the game. BUT I still enjoy the game, so I deal with it. R9 came out way after 5 aps had its effect on this game. If you were stupid enough to buy R9 for your barb knowing that you dislike 5 aps and the direction the game was heading in, then you sir, need help and a lot more education.
Just play the game as it is, or quit to another one. There are some things you can qq over, 5 aps ruining this game? Geez its over kill. Get over it or move on. OR as someone else who already mentioned (Person with the mystic that has a 5 aps sin) Roll one -_-0 -
RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »
That is true. Way I see it however is, it's a Chinese game. It's either grind grind grind, farm farm farm, or merch merch merch. To me farming the same instance all day is no better than being AFK because it just becomes mundane. At least for merchanting you can set up an alt and leave it there while you find other things to do.
Well at least we have the option to grind, farm, or merch. Some games I've played all you can do is farm and after 8 years of it logging on was a struggle.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »Should you be forced to CS/Merchant to play the game efficiently? No. Merchanting isn't playing the game. It's playing the market. The economy can be fun, yes. You can make a lot of coin, yes. Problem is, you're afk the entire time. Epic gaming skills.
This.
I understand I could make some shiny coin from merching items low to high. But I don't want to for 3 reasons.
1. Boring
2. Forget to set up shop for stuff I may or may not have when I leave the computer
3. Not enough CPU power to multi-client a shop and play at the same time... At least not comfortably.
b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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