Sage or Demon?!

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

So it's come to the time where I need to make my decision... I would really appreciate your guys' help

1. Don't really do PVP. I duel for fun, but PVP is no interest of mine.

2. I don't make a lot of coin fast, but the coin I do have will cover my TT90 green, TT99 and r8 and most of the gems&ornaments&a low priced tome(NOT pangu or love) (excluding warsoul and robe). And my skills.

3. I plan on doing TT, FC and farming/crafting for my coin to pay for warsoul/robe/tome (maybe, just maybe, one day love).

4. I would love to go sage.

5. I will not make money as fast to pay for Love and such as I would in Demon. And without Love I won't be able to solo a fly? >_> I've been assured that if I'm not 4.0+ I'm useless.

6. Uber DEX heavy. Planning on gemming all HP.

So this is what I've gathered from the advice I've gotten. If you guys can help me at all, much appreciated. And also, any tips on end game gear (I can't afford R9. GTFO b:chuckle )

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · February 2012

Go with whatever playstyle you would enjoy more. Not by what others tell you.

After all, it's you playing the game.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear · February 2012

Getting good gear is much more important than your culti choice , and 5aps isnt necessary to perma-spark. Culti choice should be based on what skills u find best and able to get according to the effort u plan to put to the game.
if u want more DPS early on , demon offers that chance.
Sage gives good protection from spark
some demon skills increase effects like stuns and range (for jump skills) , also demon rib strike is really useful for PVE
Sage bloodpaint is a serious choice and many squads appreciate it.

But again i will say that you should put more priority on your gear , cause bad gear means bad sin regardless of culti choice.

Edit : since you lean towards sage , maybe u have already made your decisions.

Nymphali - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Just go demon then.

Edit:
Demons are most accepted in squads with low gear, since sage sins are most balanced between 1 on 1 damage and AoE damaging.
The sin game style.
Buffs himself.
Chill of the deep - Better for AoE on sage, better for post-AoE autoattack on demon.
Deaden Nerves - Sage lasts longer and demon's heals 15% more.
Chill + Triple spark + Subsea + earthen rift - AoE combo. This combo is stronger on sage.
Triple spark + wolf emblem + powerdash - 1on1 combo. For low aps gears, this combo will be way stronger on demon, on 4.0 base, it will be the same ****.
Stun lock combo: Telestun, tackle, hit, throatcut, hit, headhunt, RDS, hit, throatcut (yeah, again!) - PvP combo. This combo will be stronger on demon as demon stuns lasts longer.

Now, choose the combo you mostly use and choose your cultivation.
But have in mind that: Sages won't hit over 2.86 with R9 daggers easy. To do so, you'll have to recast R8 boots and get 2 interval adds (thus going to 3.33), and if you're "THE MOTHA****ING" lucky/richie, you can do the same for R8 recast chest. having chest and boots r8 recast with 2 aps adds, you can get pants and 3-part combo will give you extra -0.1. Demons with same gear, will be able to switch lame g12 neck/belt for decent ones and still 5.0 with R9.

Though, sages will always reduce 25% damage income (magical or physical) while sparked, this is actually why I went sage. Also, sages got 15%+ daggers damage on devotion, a 50% stronger bp, Master Li technique (as if we needed), Purify on escape (nothing WOW on this, but I rely on it), 30 minutes emblem (20% only), 8% more evasion on focused mind.

Now, balance what you like and choose your destiny u.u'

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

Nymphali - Dreamweaver wrote: »

That really made me like sage even more... But then also sad about the APS count.
I don't think there's any way in hell I'd ever go R9... ever, ever. Haha. And recasting sounds like hell... JEEZ, =P Such tough decisions. Sage sounds a little more tanky? I wish you could mesh cultivations XP But
don't we all...

I think I'll be going Demon for now and keeping it light on the skill books. Because I really do like killing things fast O_O Nice to see that HP drop like a bomb. And if the APS isn't for me, I'll pay the price and switch that once. But I'm also uber spontaneous so I'll probably never know for sure till the time comes >_>

Thanks everyone!

Olbaze - Sanctuary · February 2012

EighthKnight - Sanctuary wrote: »

That really made me like sage even more... But then also sad about the APS count.
I don't think there's any way in hell I'd ever go R9... ever, ever. Haha. And recasting sounds like hell... JEEZ, =P Such tough decisions. Sage sounds a little more tanky? I wish you could mesh cultivations XP But
don't we all...

I'm a 3.33 base Sage sin with +6 refines in most of my gear. I am able to solo BH Seat and Abaddon.

R9 isn't the be-all-end-all gear. For example, I'll be sticking with Barrier Thorn: Nirvana because it has enough DPS and it has the best chi gain the game.

Recently, I saw a Demon sin with a +10 Barrier Thorn Nirvana in world chat looking for BH Seat. When I told him to go solo it, he said he can't. I wonder why.

I think I'll be going Demon for now and keeping it light on the skill books. Because I really do like killing things fast O_O Nice to see that HP drop like a bomb. And if the APS isn't for me, I'll pay the price and switch that once. But I'm also uber spontaneous so I'll probably never know for sure till the time comes >_>

In terms of gear, both cultivations will aim for the same stuff. In terms of shards, Demons tend to go with Primevals or Citrine Gems whereas Sages go with DoTs.

A lot of new people have this weird delusion that if they get 5 aps in any possible way, they'll somehow gain access to some fictional fountain of infinite coins.

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

People on PWI are convincing... now I'm back on sage boat...
And I agree with the 5 aps note. I only just got my first APS gear two days ago O_O I hit hard enough and know how to live that I don't need to go fast.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · February 2012

I never thought I'd get r9, now look at me. I'm one of the highest DPSing sins on my server.

I never thought I'd get recast r8, now look at me. 3 pieces going and waiting to get Damascene ores to reforge the stats until they're at a comfortable stage to wear full time (i.e. getting -0.05 on boots so I can switch them out with mine, and then 2nd cast a new set of tt99 for higher defenses and such).

Things just happen. As Olbaze and Empu know, I'm one of the few demon sins that understand the strengths and weaknesses of both cultivations, and ultimately I chose demon because it fit my playstyle more than sage did. It's all about the play style. If you choose a cultivation because of "what people said" and later figured out you're not enjoying playing the game, then why would you choose something to make you enjoy the game less? Games are meant to be played to enjoy.

It's a serious decision early on on which cultivation you choose. I love being a demon r9 sin. You can check out my Demon Assassin video thread here, which includes videos such as r9+12 vs g13 vana +10 demon sparked.

By no means am I saying go demon. I'm just showing you some of what a demon sin is capable of. As of right now I do know I have a lot of trouble "soloing" BH Warsong (even with buffs). Not that I've tried anytime recently.

CrusherJam - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Having both a 5aps sage and demon Sin in my faction

Sage = best in the end but quite expensive

Demon = the norm and hard hitting early not as expensive but the easy fun route

you will be satisfied with ether in the end

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

I was dumb and for the majority power leveled this sin to wear it is b:surrender I think that's why I'm leaning to sage because it sounds like a challenge that really pay's off in the end. I suppose if I'm really unhappy with my choice in the end, I can switch to demon. So I think I will be starting off sage. Also, I'm not a crazy APS person... But I do love stunning, which is an unfortunate skill-ad Sage isn't blessed with. Also Wolf kinda stinks on Sage... OH I'M so confused, ahahah. I love Sage because of it's tank ability and it's aoe'ing, the BP, the usefulness to other players. But Demon would be so fun to do PVP with. QQ WHY DO THEY HAVE TO BE SO DIFFERENT AND SO SIMILAR. -_- Haha. JEEZ.

Do you guys suggest buying the book clip with tokens at 14-16k (60-70m) right now in Sanctuary? Or holding off till prices are better/I'm a higher level? And buy the gear (and imbue?) before clip? Should I imbue my TT90 really well since I'm probably going to be in those levels for awhile? I've only saved enough for gear&mediocre imbue, which amounts to about the same as the clip...
Thanks for all your guys' help! b:thanks

Myrakou - Sanctuary · February 2012

Hm go with whatever you like more. 5.0 isn't everything.

If you're going sage: Gear >BP, imo. If you don't have that much money atm, just go for decent gears first, and build reputation towards r8. Getting sage BP is nice chunk of money.

Personally, I waited til tokens dropped to around 11k before I got myself the skill book clip. But sage bp is

And I wouldn't bother with TT90 too much, even if you're gonna be going slow. Mine's +2 with flawless cits and I live just fine. Basically, I got TT90 pants and boots atm, some OHT arms with interval, the 90s rank top, tm69 cape, a sky demons necklace and the chrono belt you can pick up at 90. Nothing superexpensive, better to save the money towards your r8 and tt90 gears.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear · February 2012

If you start as sage , get Bloodpaint and dagger mastery (for a start) i doubt that you will consider changing. That is just me.

There was a thread about Sage wolf emblem buried in the sin forums , but i dont know more about this since i dont excel in assassins (i prefer the demon one imo , one of my reasons ill go as demon sin personally). And 4aps isnt a necessity in this game to be able to do things alone , see Olbaze for example.

If u plan to stay at the 9xs range , flawless citrines and 2-3+ refines are good for the TT 90 armor, dont overdo it if u plan to decompose them for TT 99 . If you plan to sell them , maybe immaculate shards could do. Also , get rank 6 top if you dont have it yet pls, it a nice change from the lvl 60 int top.

literally ninjaed by assassin

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

I was going to go TT90 green (to decompose into TT99 later), Generals Bracers , HT , Lunar robe (If I can find one that's not ripping me off of 70m b:shocked ), a ?VIT?(Is it worth it seeing as sins hardly get any HP per VIT ad? May just be cheaper to buy socket stones and rock a few more flawless'?) tome, R7 top, and some pretty but cheap ornaments to boost dex.
I see lots of sins go for phys. def, but if I'm going sage, should I just rep. HP ad's?

Myrakou - Sanctuary · February 2012

Imo I wouldn't bother with the TT90 bracers. They're bound and and you're gonna be sitting on them when you're done. And the gold mats for them aren't that cheap either if I remember right. You can grab some OHT bracers with 0.5 int for 500k easily.

I got a str/vit tome atm, shared from my BM. But for a pure sin, go with either dex or vit/dex.
I'm just too lazy to make another tome since at some faaar away point I'll be getting a pan gus for both chars. lol

Assuming you mean phy def shards... You will be squishy anyway. Go with citrines. And endgame you'll most likely be using the physical tt99 ornaments anyway.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · February 2012

Myrakou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Hm go with whatever you like more. 5.0 isn't everything.

If you're going sage: Gear >BP, imo. If you don't have that much money atm, just go for decent gears first, and build reputation towards r8. Getting sage BP is nice chunk of money.

Personally, I waited til tokens dropped to around 11k before I got myself the skill book clip. But sage bp is

Getting BP first or not isn't the issue. Preferably, you'd buy the 300 Advanced Mystical Page clip for a ton of other books as well. I tried gambling and thus I wasted about 37m.

And I wouldn't bother with TT90 too much, even if you're gonna be going slow. Mine's +2 with flawless cits and I live just fine. Basically, I got TT90 pants and boots atm, some OHT arms with interval, the 90s rank top, tm69 cape, a sky demons necklace and the chrono belt you can pick up at 90. Nothing superexpensive, better to save the money towards your r8 and tt90 gears.

I never used TT90. I had TT80 gold leggings, Bracers of Blood Moon, FCC green boots and rank chest. You can easily replace Bracers of Blood Moon with General's Bracer or some OHT with -0.05.

Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you start as sage , get Bloodpaint and dagger mastery (for a start) i doubt that you will consider changing. That is just me.

There was a thread about Sage wolf emblem buried in the sin forums , but i dont know more about this since i dont excel in assassins (i prefer the demon one imo , one of my reasons ill go as demon sin personally). And 4aps isnt a necessity in this game to be able to do things alone , see Olbaze for example.

3.33 is actually plenty for me. With it, I can use Sage Power Dash whenever it's not in cooldown.

Myrakou - Sanctuary · February 2012

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Getting BP first or not isn't the issue. Preferably, you'd buy the 300 Advanced Mystical Page clip for a ton of other books as well. I tried gambling and thus I wasted about 37m.

Well for me it was. I know my gambling luck and seeing the prices of the other books in that clip... argh. If you got a luck like once in a blue moon you win the lottery, but every other thing goes wrong, you better save up for the big clip. xD

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

I think I would get the book clip... hopefully later at a decent price... I can't see BP being much handier when I don't hit so hard...

So I should just buy TT80 gold? I figured TT90 green would be handy because I need the soul ledges for 99... Also, I can't for the life of me figure out the meaning of OHT. But I'm definitely lookin' into them if they're as cheap as you say...

b:sad There's so many different choices for gear, it's so hard for me to choose. I feel like sticking with TT90green/rank/generals/HT because I've been thinking about it for awhile and they look like they'd last me for awhile while I'm in 9x range.

Jesusisback - Raging Tide · February 2012

How can I check on what skills come with the book clip?

I know BP and Rib comes with it, but I kinda forgot about the rest. XD

Xainou - Sanctuary · February 2012

@Jesusisback

The book clip.

@Eighth

Tbh I'd just stick with the TT90. Since like you said, you need it for the TT99. And decently sharding that is cheaper than the 80s gold.

OHT means Old Heavens Tear, the first past map. The one you unlock by doing wraith ploy at 70 and that you enter through the messenger of time on the platform in the middle of arch.
The bracers you should look out for are called Vapor Willow . People manufacture them and either in the shops in OHT or in AH you can probably find a cheap pair with interval.

Jesusisback - Raging Tide · February 2012

Ty Xainou. XD

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · February 2012

I was thinking Heavens Tear, but I'd never seen the bracers. Thank you very much though b:thanks

Empu - Sanctuary · March 2012

For culti choice, I agree with Skai : take a look and decide for yourself. Actually, the base aps of demon to be not totally ignored by WC is the same aps a sage sin needs to be "respected". Then a demon sin will have it easier to join WC squads, but will avoid them like hell, while the sage won't get invited, but doesn't want to join them anyway.

EighthKnight - Sanctuary wrote: »

I was going to go TT90 green (to decompose into TT99 later), Generals Bracers , HT , Lunar robe (If I can find one that's not ripping me off of 70m b:shocked ), a ?VIT?(Is it worth it seeing as sins hardly get any HP per VIT ad? May just be cheaper to buy socket stones and rock a few more flawless'?) tome, R7 top, and some pretty but cheap ornaments to boost dex.
I see lots of sins go for phys. def, but if I'm going sage, should I just rep. HP ad's?

For gear, I think the best is +dex adds. Gear really depends on your wallet though. TT90 is good, rank is also good, there is also fcc stuff. I think the main setup at 90 (with -int) is :

chest : rank lvl90 one (rank 7 I think ?)
wrists : bloodmoon, TT90 gold, oht with -0.05 int, TT80 gold.
leggings : usually rank cause it's cheap if you got the rank anyway
boots : fcc, tt90, tt90 gold for dex bonus with wrists if you feel like being fancy
head : warsoul of earth, aquaviciousness, oht or 3* with nice adds
ornaments (phys def) : tt90 (for tt99), gold fcc, random 3* or oht, that oht quest belt
cape : lunar tm, wraithgate tm for cheaper version

For the books : I did full bookclip, but at that time sage sin was super rare (we were like 3) and tokens at 10k. Atm, I think the best bet is pages of fate (cube is also nice exp) and buying old book pages (cheapest atm I think, can get bp and mastery). Sorry to say, but you are in a horrible moment to get skills. Tokens are expensive, nobody runs cube anymore, most got their skills so gambling is rather low ...

EDIT : for shards, ultimately I consider JoSD, vit gems or DoT as the best gems. JoSD/vit for those who need more survivability (usually demon sins), DoT for those who consider to have enough survivability and thus focus on attack (usually sage sins or demons that don't solo), and some mix it too. To bring this back to an average lvl90s wallet : just go with flawless citrines till you got all your stuff and know in which of the above case you are. Phys def is easier to be obtained through refining ornaments. I know at least 1 sin that pulled off a good garnet sharded build, but I wouldn't recommand it unless you know what and why you are doing it.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · March 2012

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

chest : rank lvl90 one (rank 7 I think ?)
wrists : bloodmoon, TT90 gold, oht with -0.05 int, TT80 gold.
leggings : usually rank cause it's cheap if you got the rank anyway
boots : fcc, tt90, tt90 gold for dex bonus with wrists if you feel like being fancy
head : warsoul of earth, aquaviciousness, oht or 3* with nice adds
ornaments (phys def) : tt90 (for tt99), gold fcc, random 3* or oht, that oht quest belt
cape : lunar tm, wraithgate tm for cheaper version

The level 90 armor is Rank 6, actually. As for leggings, Rank 6 is indeed good if you had it before, personally I got TT80 golds before the first rep sale, so I kept those.

As for a helm, on the lower levels you might also consider Helmet of Lion Spirit.

For ornaments, there's always Sky Demon's Pearl.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · March 2012

Yeah, the Rank 7 top is the level 99 one, and it's quite pointless to get it to use for one level to be honest. And back in my day around level 60, Bloodmoons was the best wrists to use from 60-99 due to its great investment. I made mine for roughly ~12m back then, and sold it for 20-24m (forgot) when I got my TT99 wrists. Plus in terms of stats, Bloodmoons had great stats that matched up to the TT80 gold ones.

But nowadays I'm not sure how relevant that investment would be. Back then powerleveling didn't exist.

The OHT belts are what I used before 99, as well as Sky Demon's Pearl, as Olbaze said. I didn't find the TT80/90 orns that well-suited.

Empu - Sanctuary · March 2012

_Skai_ - Raging Tide wrote: »

But nowadays I'm not sure how relevant that investment would be. Back then powerleveling didn't exist.

The OHT belts are what I used before 99, as well as Sky Demon's Pearl, as Olbaze said. I didn't find the TT80/90 orns that well-suited.

Well, powerlvling always existed. It just hit a peek with the goons, and ever since, most seem to just want to get to 100 without doing anything. But there have always been ppl that paid higher lvls to stand in their zhen squad, oracle buyers (even before the infamous jolly jones event) and such. However, in some other post I saw that the op is planning to get to 100 by playing, and not planning to get to 100 to play.

I didn't powerlvl, but lvled really fast on sin. On bh, then pq at 60-80, then a group of friends and we ran a 3 or 4 man fcc several times a day (sin - archer - barb - bm). Now, ppl are affraid to have my lvl95 bm pull (and I have some good gear), nobody is at pq anymore, even bh isn't done anymore. It's like the community forces itself to lvl from 1 to 100 by "buying" fcc by making every other quick lvling way impossible, and as result ppl can't find uncommon ways to do something anymore, thus "force" ppl to buy heads, etc.

I never really liked sky demon's pearl actually lol. I went with gold fcc (which were also used on my cleric). The phys def gain of those is really awesome. I think TT90 is the easiest though, just to make TT99 after.

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · March 2012

WOAH, so much!

Well,
I'M OFFICIALLY SAGE
Which I'm excited about, tehee.
If I have TT90gold bracers, should I duo with gold greaves or go for fc? I bought sky walker shoes, should I switch to FC for the dex bump?
Currently my dex is 425, and it's really hard for me do squad work without Chill of the Deep because I die so quickly... My strength is 94 to fit for my 90 armor. For ornaments, I have a Budhha Bone necklace with +10 dex, some element belt with +9 dex, the rank 6 ring, and a really lame ring that I hope to now replace with the School Teacher ring. I really like the dex ad's on the belt and necklace, but should I replace them with high levels? Even though I can't find anything with dex ad's like that? I know I should be wearing protection ornaments.... right?

Thank you so much for all this feedback! I know I should be doing what I want, but all this discussion is giving me more information to choose from allowing me to make the best decision I think I can make. b:laugh

Edit: For robe and helm, I'm working on Lunar robe and wraithgate... But I'm a little broke ***. Just a little. And I got misty peach blossums for tome because it was cheap+not totally useless.

Olbaze - Sanctuary · March 2012

Empu - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, powerlvling always existed. It just hit a peek with the goons, and ever since, most seem to just want to get to 100 without doing anything. But there have always been ppl that paid higher lvls to stand in their zhen squad, oracle buyers (even before the infamous jolly jones event) and such. However, in some other post I saw that the op is planning to get to 100 by playing, and not planning to get to 100 to play.

Then again, level and/or not "powerleveling" isn't really all there is to it.

For example, my Archer is level 92. I've been to about three FCCs in him and until recently I had put him on the shelf for over a year. The only reason I decided to play on the Archer again was because I happened to buy a Heaven Shatterer for completely unrelated reasons and thought it'd be nice to play the Archer, whom I quit over Heaven Shatterer, with a Heaven Shatterer. I have next to no actual experience with things like FCC or AoEing in FCC, but since I've seen it done hundreds of times on my Assassin, I'm pretty good at it.

On the other hand I have a level 60 cleric. I've leveled him through hypergrinding, oracles and soloing BH. So far, I've learned nothing about healing and the only thing I've ever done is buff and attack.

The point I'm making is that buying FCC isn't bad because it levels you fast, it's bad because it doesn't teach you anything relevant about your class. FCC itself is a pretty good instance for learning your class, as it has various unique bosses, AoEing unlike BHs and dying due to mistakes is rather common.

I didn't powerlvl, but lvled really fast on sin. On bh, then pq at 60-80, then a group of friends and we ran a 3 or 4 man fcc several times a day (sin - archer - barb - bm). Now, ppl are affraid to have my lvl95 bm pull (and I have some good gear), nobody is at pq anymore, even bh isn't done anymore. It's like the community forces itself to lvl from 1 to 100 by "buying" fcc by making every other quick lvling way impossible, and as result ppl can't find uncommon ways to do something anymore, thus "force" ppl to buy heads, etc.

I had a rather opposite path on my sin: I spent literally weeks stuck on 80 because I was doing Wraithgate Trophy Mode for my Energetic Robe: Wraithgate.

Also, currently my Archer is pretty much stuck on level 93 because there just aren't that many 85-95 FCC squads in comparison to the tons of head sellers in that range.

If I have TT90gold bracers, should I duo with gold greaves or go for fc? I bought sky walker shoes, should I switch to FC for the dex bump?
Currently my dex is 425, and it's really hard for me do squad work without Chill of the Deep because I die so quickly... My strength is 94 to fit for my 90 armor. For ornaments, I have a Budhha Bone necklace with +10 dex, some element belt with +9 dex, the rank 6 ring, and a really lame ring that I hope to now replace with the School Teacher ring. I really like the dex ad's on the belt and necklace, but should I replace them with high levels? Even though I can't find anything with dex ad's like that? I know I should be wearing protection ornaments.... right?

Switching to FCC boots if you have TT90 isn't really a good idea: you'll be using those boots eventually for your TT99 boots.

As for your ornaments: I think you should go with up-to-date ornaments, such as TT90. The point with dex adds is that it adds damage, which is a rather unique add on necklace and belt. However, both the TT90 Necklace and Belt have +patk. Since +patk is multiplied by your Dex and your mastery, that means the +patk on the TT90 necklace and belt is far better than any dex add you could get. Not to mention the Necklace has 6~7 str, which you can restat for 6~7 dex and keep it, since the TT99 belt will have 7~8 str.

Empu - Sanctuary · March 2012

Gratz on sage !

For the boots : just stick with TT90 imo. The difference between TT90 and fcc is minimal. I think fcc is a little better, but I wouldn't change for them when already having TT90.

For leggings : if you got the rep, just get the rank ones. It's the cheapest and they are pretty good. TT90 gold would give you +10 dex, which is nice ofc, but is it really worth the cost ? I can't answer that for you, cause it's a personale judgement. Another reason to use rank leggings is that it won't have the risk to bug you on end-choice leggings. Most would go for nirvana leggings, either TT or Lunar. If you wear TT99 before upgrading to nirvana, you must make sure you have tailor 6 (I think). If you want Lunar counter-part, you won't need to make TT99. There is also r8 recast now (but that is a bit tricky). Using rank leggings at 90, and then lvl100, leaves all options open for only a small cost. And they aren't bad at all. If you don't have the rep, TT90 would be best quality/price imo.

Ornaments : I would always keep at physical def ornaments. Like I said above, I like fcc ones but there are other options too like TT90. For the ring, look up the lvl59 from treasure quest. It's pretty good.

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then again, level and/or not "powerleveling" isn't really all there is to it.

Ofc, the whole "powerlvling" topic is really subjective. Playing some class isn't rocketscience, and doesn't need months of experience in x different instances and agains y different mob types. There are those who just want a "gamma alt" or "buff alt". I can also understand, especially in the case of some alt, that it's nice to lvl a bit faster and even skip a few lvls.

However, ever since the goon-glitch thing (maybe even before actually), it went a bit over the top. It's like everyone want's to get to 100 as soon as possible and as easy as possible, preferably by doing nothing then tab-attack with the free lvl1 gear. As if the game starts at 100, while 1-99 is a waste of time like those annoying announcements before a movie that you just want to skip but that you are forced to bear with.

As a person who considers "playing" (in general) as a waste of time by definition, I just can't understand why so many want to rush through everything so they can be at/close too the end lvl of the game. Just like I never got why some used cheats in old-fashion games (you know, that special code that makes you immortal or gives infinate money). The way most act ingame now, by wanting only 5.0 aps vana, by "needing" to do each daily every day (daily = available each day, but not MUST be done each day b:laugh), by wanting to reach 100 without having to get any new gear between lvl1 and 99, by needing to finish every single nirvana key on a 2x, ... They all make me wonder if they realise the whole game is just a waste of time anyway.

_Skai_ - Raging Tide · March 2012

Back when I made my sin (almost a year since TB expansion came out (I joined about ~September after the TB expansion)), it was all about what you said Empu. BH's, PQ's, actual squad FC's, quests. I loved doing quests as a sin. Surviving the lower levels and learning a lot about the class. I miss those days.

I was the same as you. I did quests/BH's/PQ's to level, and since I was a good sin by the time I turned level 80, I was able to solo shades in FC, which started my career as one of the great sins of RT. Since then I continue to learn more and more useful things about the sin, and as I enter more into the PvP world, it's becoming more fun. In a way.

Also to OP, congrats on becoming sage!

EighthKnight - Sanctuary · March 2012

Thank you, Empu and Skai b:victory
I think I'll stick to TT90 green and see how it farms for me. It has the VIT ad's which I really need. And I have the generals bracers. I'm really QQ'ing about my VIT right now because it seems like everyone at my level (sins) have 35+ VIT. When I have like, 24.
Also, most only have 330-370 dex, I really don't know how I got to 425? I haven't put strength in for Warsoul till I have the money, would this probably be it? During my 9x I am going to start putting strength in each level so I can get to 117.

Also I heard if you don't have the strength for warsoul ungeared, it glitches? So I can't cheat it by having strength ad's?b:cry

Thanks everyone.

Empu - Sanctuary · March 2012

EighthKnight - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also I heard if you don't have the strength for warsoul ungeared, it glitches? So I can't cheat it by having strength ad's?b:cry

I think what they mean is : if you don't have the strength for warsoul of earth when it (the warsoul helmet) is unequiped, it will count as not equiped ("glitch", or show in red for your equipment). In other words, the +5~6 str from the helmet doesn't count for the 117 str requirement to wear the helmet. That means you just can't have some crappy ring with +10 str (and/or other gear that you use just to equip helmet) => equip warsoul => replace the ring with your real ring while it still counts warsoul as being equiped. A looooong time ago this "trick"/"cheat" did work.

It is the same for any equipment. For instance, my barb's armor goes red and looses its effect when I take off the tome and cape to stash it to my bm. Yet, he would have enough str to wear it if you count all the armors +str adds.

I never heard you'd need 117 base str for the warsoul of earth. Would surprise me if it were that way.

Sage or Demon?!

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