at this rate, pwi may die in a month

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

wonder if fist let you use skills

Archers can actually use their both melee skills with any weapon.

And even funnier, you said that to a r9 archer...

For me this thread looks like some people should take a break or actually enjoy the game instead of trying to make coins as much as possible b:laugh

Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »

Quick question to all those caster that automatically assume 5 aps = instant coin....do you really think a 5 aps sin is that easy to come by? No seriously. A 5 aps bm sounds cool and everything but lets be real, no one is QQing about a 5 aps bm...its the 5 aps sins.

To get 5 aps you need to spend a ****load of coin and most times charge zen. Plus you need to have high refines on ur gear, ALL your gear. Have you seen how lame a 5 aps sin with +10 wep and +3 armour really is? I'll tell you, they suck -_-

Pro aps sqds doing a run in 5 mins? Yes yes nice and everything but does that mean everyone gets into these "pro" squads?

r8+10 caster sqds take 20-25 mins per run
r8+10 2.86/3.33 sqds take the same time

If you dont wana charge zen and be all uber 5 aps +12 or sumn then just play the game.

You really expect caster nirvana to give you instant r9+12 o.O
Ima 2.5 sage sin, that takes a non aps barb a sage bm, a 2.86 aps +5 sin, a cleric and an archer into nirvy and we take 20 mins to do a run. Problem? I think not -_-

If as a caster you cant find a regular nirvy sqd it simply means you have no friends. Go make some or stop QQing.

Btw just pay a sin or someone to open with their talisman after their bh for u then go in after.

Useless QQ is Useless

your telling me 5aps mean best killing mashine becose of cost you sir i dumb sir

5aps compare to r9 axe cost wise who is costly and who deal most damage wise to farm with

yes aps seriusly aps is freaking SHEAP so before you open your lil mouth think before you talk OK.


guys let make 5aps cost at least r9 axe +10 at least before you open your mouth then i will admit you should keep agro and kill thing fast.

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yknow there are ways to make money without running instances like Nirvana. Ever heard of merchanting? No charging zen required. Sure you may start with a low amount of money but playing the right markets will help you get to the point where you make decent money if you're patient enough.

I'm quite guilty of charging zen I admit, but thanks to a lot of guidance from here, it's getting to the point where I hope I wont need to.

And like someone else mentioned already, having a 5.0 sin must be really nice. Yes it is, as I have one too specifically for farming Nirvana or running the occassional Frost. But to get her to the point where I could actually be useful took a lot of time and money. I'm just thankful when I was building her up, I had a great group of friends who helped me farm Nirvana despite my having only 2.86 or so aps at the time. As far as refines went however, it can get quite expensive.

I would honestly much rather play my mystic for everything, but it's true. The limited caster Nirvana sucks. I'm glad it is there should I ever want to do it, but the time limit on them sucks a lot, and I hate you can't stack them like keys. :shrug:

5aps isnt the most expensive cost wise r9 is and even with one a 5aps sin will still out agro and kill thing faster.

stop acting like aps is god for the money its NOT aps should be sht damage becouse its sheap as hell sorry to say.


even bm and barb will so again aps need nurf NOW

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

RosangeIa - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yknow there are ways to make money without running instances like Nirvana. Ever heard of merchanting? No charging zen required. Sure you may start with a low amount of money but playing the right markets will help you get to the point where you make decent money if you're patient enough.

I'm quite guilty of charging zen I admit, but thanks to a lot of guidance from here, it's getting to the point where I hope I wont need to.

And like someone else mentioned already, having a 5.0 sin must be really nice. Yes it is, as I have one too specifically for farming Nirvana or running the occassional Frost. But to get her to the point where I could actually be useful took a lot of time and money. I'm just thankful when I was building her up, I had a great group of friends who helped me farm Nirvana despite my having only 2.86 or so aps at the time. As far as refines went however, it can get quite expensive.

I would honestly much rather play my mystic for everything, but it's true. The limited caster Nirvana sucks. I'm glad it is there should I ever want to do it, but the time limit on them sucks a lot, and I hate you can't stack them like keys. :shrug:

5aps isnt the most expensive cost wise r9 is and even with one a 5aps sin will still out agro and kill thing faster.

stop acting like aps is god for the money its NOT aps should be sht damage becouse its sheap as hell sorry to say.


even bm and barb will so again aps need nurf NOW

Did I say 5.0 sin was God? no lol. But it helps me get into squads I otherwise wouldn't as a mystic. I saw plenty of prejudice against mystic as I levelled this one even as far as BH went (and we're talking 90s BH). someone once kicked me so they could invite an Assassin instead. Fair? No, of course not. I blacklisted that A-hole stat lol. Not everyone is that way but i'm just using it as an example.

The problem isn't just APS, it's the attitude of the community here. People want everything to happen in as little time as possible. If you make awesome friends who will take you to everything regardless, that's awesome. I do too. But having a high damage dealing character like an assassin has its perks.

Honestly if I were really aiming only to make money, I would merchant for everything. Truth of the matter is, it is nice to go into TT (or some other instance) and be able to solo it with just my mystic and my assassin. Granted you can't do EVERYTHING, but you can do enough. I can farm for most of what I need by myself without having to make squads with randoms. More drops for me too, obviously.

In a way, Assassins are like the new Herc Venomancer. People used to cry about Venos being able to solo TT and make way more cash than any other class. Well, now the new "money makers" are 5.0 Sins and BMs lol... did people quit the game when Hercules went into cash shop, thus enabling Venos to solo TT back in 2008 or 09-ish? Nope. It just became the norm, just like APS have.

Granted... the way APS have affected things like PvP is a whole other matter.

Azizsixer - Raging Tide wrote: »

Firstly, English please? I'm not even going to bother seriously commenting on that utter piece of rubbish you just said. You're obviously one of those fools that would rush to get 5 aps with God awful refines.

I know the cost of aps, in case you didnt realize, I'm a sin -_-

Its sad that everyone is QQing about aps. Live with it or move on to another game. Just so you know, the real QQ is @ 4 aps r9. Heck 2.86 r9 sage is a beast.

Please, I'm begging you, use some common sense and at least readable english (or something close to it) before you reply b:shutup

ooh and you sir is a fool and poor to if you think there is nothing wrong with 5aps

but i am done now lil fishies do not interest me

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

so basicly . . . . . . . . all in all . . . . . .. . . . . including greed . . . . . . . .
so basically all in all my own views

1. nerf caster vana by limiting it so they get desparate and either charge, or make an apser
casters can still do regular nirvana (heck a lot that i know prefer it over the caster nirvy - and even go more often than i do)
2. they finally fix the aps nerf to work properly so then they get pissed again and either leave or charge for r9.
use a pdef debuff in PvE and voila you have 100% accuracy. this still works and doesnt affect aps at all in reality.
3. i mean dude, one of the highest dmg range rapers in the game given stealth. sin was limited becasue their bad against many opponents, archers are good against many lol especially if they jump
I dont really have issues with many archers myself unless they are R9 or I'm getting ganked. As i understand it, they move at .1 m/sec in stealth and can pretty much only use normal attacks in stealth. idk about you but that alone is pretty insufficient to kill me in most situations, though of course it can prove to be quite the nuisance.
4. caster vana fixed, . . . . of all things they fix a casters income lol. so the same as #1, add on top of it the very large amount of errors and glitches that just come with the patch and client alone. on top of the very very large list of ones that NEED to be addressed, yet the only one they even fix is the one that gives casters a fighting chance.
refer back above. casters aren't limited at all by pwe/pwi - they are all given the same opportunities (perhaps even more) as melee classes. If casters are being limited at all - its by the player base, not the developers.

the list could go on endlessly, add to it if you wish, we can always use more reasons. but hey i may not be able to play pwi regardless so frankly idk anymore it doesn't seem like it's my problem no more

HAVE FUN CASTERS charging, or apsing with sin/bm since they keep ruining any chance we have at every turn, we get a chance they realize it and shut it down.
seems to me like this is just your way of looking at it

my response to op in red

Changuita - Harshlands wrote: »

I think I love you.

It makes me so sad to see the Sins in my faction "racing to make 110 million in a week" off of nivana and soloing (then selling) FC exp rooms. I'm slowly resigning to the fact that if I want to make any money in this game (other than by C$ing) I need to make a sin. how SAD is that....

Could you feel any more entitled to everything? Seriously....

If I want to aoe 1-shot large groups of people in TW in this game I need to make a mage? How sad is that.

/facepalm

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wrong. You can merchant.

Merchanting does not care about your level, your class, or your gear. Anyone and everyone can do it.

I get the sneaking suspicion PWE is trying to nerf merchanting too.

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

So then, merchanting must be the most OP class, not sins. b:puzzled

Of course. Sin's pay PWE, usually. Merchants run interference on PWE's income. We are the enemy.

Or you can just grind irl doing all those boring job or fun if you are one of those who lucky to get your dream or easy job with high paycheck. Charge some zen then convert it to in game coins, easy + help you gaining irl experience in case you want to change job someday or saving funds for making a big family or irl merchanting.

VKnightV - Lost City wrote: »

show me a barb do same thing with axe PLZ a r9 barb as i am one i know what i am talking about

aps is so sheap its disgusting

now show me something i can belive on before you post plz

Was too lazy to multi quote you. Learn to edit instead of triple posting please.

A barb, is what we call the "TANKING CLASS" It's not supposed to do the same. That like telling me "Why can't a cleric aoe dd better than a wizzie"

Or better yet. Why cant a barb aoe heal. Its just not the way the game works.

I said 5 aps, and not just yay i have a 5 aps chara with +2 refines. EFFECTIVE 5 aps is costly. Very costly. R9 Is far most costly. And you get what you pay for. R9 is simply op. Any class with r9 is op. Simple as that.

5 aps is also op, just not as op as R9 but it still it. Before you go talking more trash, because that's what you're doing, in a very horrible mess of the English language, I am quite opposed to 5 aps. I see it as a major flaw in the game. BUT I still enjoy the game, so I deal with it. R9 came out way after 5 aps had its effect on this game. If you were stupid enough to buy R9 for your barb knowing that you dislike 5 aps and the direction the game was heading in, then you sir, need help and a lot more education.

Just play the game as it is, or quit to another one. There are some things you can qq over, 5 aps ruining this game? Geez its over kill. Get over it or move on. OR as someone else who already mentioned (Person with the mystic that has a 5 aps sin) Roll one -_-

Tremblewith - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Should you be forced to CS/Merchant to play the game efficiently? No. Merchanting isn't playing the game. It's playing the market. The economy can be fun, yes. You can make a lot of coin, yes. Problem is, you're afk the entire time. Epic gaming skills.

This.

I understand I could make some shiny coin from merching items low to high. But I don't want to for 3 reasons.

1. Boring
2. Forget to set up shop for stuff I may or may not have when I leave the computer
3. Not enough CPU power to multi-client a shop and play at the same time... At least not comfortably.

b:bye