Suggestion - Meditate = Chi

if you're so insecure about your spouse getting chi from a pixleated hug then you're not gonna have a spouse vary long.

Zalm - Dreamweaver wrote: »

WTF!? LOL YES!....But on the otherhand, its a decent idea to have chi gain in meditation mode. Plus one on this vote from Me.

I second this motion. It's kind of annoying to have to spam buffs to get chi, not to mention the mana cost.

Well you know as a sin I personally don't think this is needed, we can get chi easy enough already. b:chuckle

in every game including those ps games the big attack will come after filling some bar or something. In pwi it is the chi bar and sparks... gaining this by meditating is stupid

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide wrote: »

in every game including those ps games the big attack will come after filling some bar or something. In pwi it is the chi bar and sparks... gaining this by meditating is stupid

How do you feel about gaining it from embracing?
How about gaining it from punching an NPC?
Gaining it from going into stealth?

Compared to the other BS ways of gaining chi doing it while meditating is fine. Personally I'd like to see cleric's red bubble changed so it just gives out lots of chi instead of whatever it does now.

hawkins08 wrote: »

hello everyone,
like above sayd, id like to suggest we can gain Chi while meditate

you all know in instance, ppl will hit in duel with hands to get chi there is no advantage on meditate that would make it unfair, meditate would be alot of more comfort

durring a battle / duel or pvp ppl wont be able to sit and meditate either again it would not be any unfair to gain chi while meditate

and cuddle random ppl just for chi thats akward b:spit

kind of dissapointed this would be like the only way you let us gaining chi if not sage

aswell this break alot of couples who doesnt want her/his spouse to cuddle other for chi
id like to ask to remove gaining chi from carry, but add gaining chi with meditate

how do you all think about this?

No way, thats one of the Sage advantages over demons: We can gain spark by spending nothing every 60s, doing what you saying would unbalance the game.

Be sage and you'll have no problem.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I do like the idea of gaining chi while meditating. That is a good idea, and one that couldn't really be abused.

I'd also like for other classes to get inner harmony too, instead of just sins....though that would be OP....but since sins are OP already.... *Evil laugh.*

Also, I think that your idea is a nice one Asterelle. Since RB currently cancels triple spark, it would be a good idea to make an attack aura that is still useful even after level 89.

Cmon, you cant be serious. Sins 2 spark skills are lame compared to every other classes skills. Ill exemplify.

Regeneration Aura: Cuts damage by half for all squad and heals powerfully every 5s. Lasts while you wanna.
Invoke the Spirit: 90% damage reduction, nothing else to say.
Yathagan Vortex: Massive, cruel and brute constant AoE damage.
Heaven's Flame: This one gets every bm on every squad.
Thicket/Parasitic Nova: Mass Seal/Freeze Ouchies ._.
Roar of the Pride: Mass 6s stun with wide area.
Drake Bash: Medium damage 7.5s stun (demon) for 1 spark, sins costs 2 sparks and stuns for 6s on demon.
Moutain seize/Earth vector: Mass aoe magical damage with stun
Souburn/Psychic Will: One does lotsa damage everytime the target farts and the other renders physical imunity and dispels, each of them for 1 spark only.

We sins have:
A 5s stun with head hunt (2 sparks), 8s crit rate increase (2 sparks too), 30% only amplifying at subsea strike (other 2 sparks, inferior to HF and Amplify damage), A telestun with a SOOO long cooldown which costs 1 spark and a 4s seal for 1 spark. Thats what we fishies have.

Now don't you forget that sins triple spark is for only 500% and clerics one is for 700% and that sins has less base damage than clerics.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

How do you feel about gaining it from embracing?
How about gaining it from punching an NPC?
Gaining it from going into stealth?

Compared to the other BS ways of gaining chi doing it while meditating is fine. Personally I'd like to see cleric's red bubble changed so it just gives out lots of chi instead of whatever it does now.

i personally like red bubble the way it is. maybe clerics should get a purple bubble or some chi bubble? they would get alot of bubbles lol

Nymphali - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No way, thats one of the Sage advantages over demons: We can gain spark by spending nothing every 60s, doing what you saying would unbalance the game.

Be sage and you'll have no problem.




Cmon, you cant be serious. Sins 2 spark skills are lame compared to every other classes skills. Ill exemplify.

Regeneration Aura: Cuts damage by half for all squad and heals powerfully every 5s. Lasts while you wanna.
Invoke the Spirit: 90% damage reduction, nothing else to say.
Yathagan Vortex: Massive, cruel and brute constant AoE damage.
Heaven's Flame: This one gets every bm on every squad.
Thicket/Parasitic Nova: Mass Seal/Freeze Ouchies ._.
Roar of the Pride: Mass 6s stun with wide area.
Drake Bash: Medium damage 7.5s stun (demon) for 1 spark, sins costs 2 sparks and stuns for 6s on demon.
Moutain seize/Earth vector: Mass aoe magical damage with stun
Souburn/Psychic Will: One does lotsa damage everytime the target farts and the other renders physical imunity and dispels, each of them for 1 spark only.

We sins have:
A 5s stun with head hunt (2 sparks), 8s crit rate increase (2 sparks too), 30% only amplifying at subsea strike (other 2 sparks, inferior to HF and Amplify damage), A telestun with a SOOO long cooldown which costs 1 spark and a 4s seal for 1 spark. Thats what we fishies have.

Now don't you forget that sins triple spark is for only 500% and clerics one is for 700% and that sins has less base damage than clerics.

...all of that said, and yet you still do more damage that clerics do, and wizards, and psys do.

Its true that you don't have the greatest 2 spark skills, but you're not exactly lacking either. A 5 sec stun that deals a load of damage in headhunt is nonething to sneeze at. Combine that with a teleport, stealth, and bloodpaint, and that's quite brutal. An increased crit rate on a class that lives off of crits, and deals tons of damage isn't exactly a joke either. An attack that deals good damage, and works as an amp is good. Other classes are meant to be the better debuffers afterall. A teleport stun, combined with the ability to be invisible, is quite brutal.

Now let me tell you what us clerics have:

BB = A constant heal that has a damage reduction.

Tempest = A powerful metal based AOE with a slow effect.

30 second cooldown on them btw. (RB costs one spark, but for funs sake, we'll include it, since it is a level 59 skill. It basically puts the squad in 2 spark state, and overwrite 3 sparks. That about sums it up.

Sins gain chi RIDICULOUSLY EASY. Your defenses actually give you chi. Two of your attacks give chi. You even have a move that grants loads of chi for no good reason and is an instant cast. My level 80 sin gains chi much quicker than my level 100 celestial sage cleric. Something is wrong with that picture.

You also have an anti stun, stealth, forced stealth, the ability to heal yourself, 2 teleports, technically 2 anti stuns, 2 speed skills, death resistance, an extraordianrily high attack rate, literally no problem gaining chi, permaspark, and every stun around.

I'm sorry, but your argument loses its merit in the light of all of these abilities. Your 2 spark skills are not bad ones, so I don't really see whats wrong with classes other than sins having inner harmony too.

SerenityCNB I wont quote ya, but you know what you said. Just to spare some space here.

Inner Harmony costs MP, just to state it.

Sins get sparks easier because without sparks sins are a pile of junk. You have harder time making chi, okay, but when you have chi its a strondorous damage.

Im not QQing nothing about sins, sins disadvantages are fair over their features.

Tell me: Which sin ROCKED a LOT in a TW, over a cleric or a Psychic?
We can stealth, gain sparks as easy and we cant rock as a psychic, archer, cleric or a wizard do in TW, and they all having a low chi gain.

BMs drake bash do the same amount of damage and stuns for longer at cost of 1 spark only. Is it fair with the sins high chi cost? Yeah cus we get sparks easier, if we gained sparks at normal rates it'd be outrageous.

Increase everyone's else CHI stability? Yes. Gain chi for sitting on the ground? No way.

Just increase Chi gainage per skill used. like IH gain 20 chi instead of 10, slam get 30 chi instead of 20 and so on. This alternative solution I'd be pleased to agree.

@Nymphali: I can deal with a mp cost like sins. Everything that I do cost mp.

Sins aren't a pile of junk without sparks. Their chi gaining ability is ridiculous. Forced stealth gains 1 spark. Inner harmony gains even more. (1 1/2 at level 1), tackling slash gives lots of chi, and rising dragon strike gives even more chi. (Over a spark). Even my sin can nearly permaspark, and I'm sitting at low aps.

(Not going into what sins can and can't do, or their advantage and disadvantages, or power or lack of dominance in pve, pvp, or tw. Just talking about the chi gaining concept.)


A meditation to increase chi amount is a good idea. Increasing chi while meditating is a good idea. Within that same time, I can build the chi on my own, so meditating for it is quite beneficial...and not game breaking either.

XScootaloo - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you're so insecure about your spouse getting chi from a pixleated hug then you're not gonna have a spouse vary long.

^ Totally this.

Personally I think it's a bit stupid to gain chi from that method, but it's certainly not worth breaking up your e-lationship over it.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@Nymphali: I can deal with a mp cost like sins. Everything that I do cost mp.

Sins aren't a pile of junk without sparks. Their chi gaining ability is ridiculous. Forced stealth gains 1 spark. Inner harmony gains even more. (1 1/2 at level 1), tackling slash gives lots of chi, and rising dragon strike gives even more chi. (Over a spark). Even my sin can nearly permaspark, and I'm sitting at low aps.

(Not going into what sins can and can't do, or their advantage and disadvantages, or power or lack of dominance in pve, pvp, or tw. Just talking about the chi gaining concept.)


A meditation to increase chi amount is a good idea. Increasing chi while meditating is a good idea. Within that same time, I can build the chi on my own, so meditating for it is quite beneficial...and not game breaking either.

You don't get the point. I'm saying if sins hasn't these chi skills, they would be nothing.
2 sparks renders every class a powerful skill to use, sins doesn't have quite powerful skills and they still cost 2 sparks.

With low aps, what a sin can do is: Start the boss triple sparking, rising dragon to respark, inner harmony to spark again, rising dragon to repeat. By this time, Both inner harmony and rising dragon will be cooling down. Meanwhile, a psychic does practically the same ammount of damage without sparking once.

When comes to high aps, okay, high aps permasparking without using tap-skills is really annoying.

Also, the total cost to be a FULL aps sin with +10 refines, you make a VERY powerful R8 psychic with fast channeling and insane DPH.

Also, the objective of Inner harmony is not to allow you to use eruption twice in a row, but to allow you to use 2 sparks skills right after the eruption, such as Subsea strike, which is one of the only 2 sin's AoEs, if you play a sin further you'll know that the only way to be decent on AoEing is to Eruption - Inner - Subsea - Rift

But back to the topic when it's related to "Gain chi when meditating" - They can surely add another method to increase other classes chi balance. Sins has a high chi gain for a high chi usage, we can't stand for long with less than 2 sparks, because what the others do with 50 energy, 1 spark we spend 2 sparks to do.