Some notices about Cyclone

Saethos - Raging Tide · February 2012

So here's some things I've already seen people notice that I'll repost

-Doesn't work with BP

-5 minute cooldown is lame

-Can marrow and Cloud Sprint before using

And some things I did not see on the forum already

-Can be started with no target (Selecting nothing and click the skill, still activates it like it's a buff)

-Activatable with 2 sparks and 99 chi (not important, just throwing it out there)

So this means in TW it could be intensely useful. Psychics will get an AoE that makes them untargetable, which means normally incapable of attacking them (I don't know the limits of that skill yet) which means no HF, fissure, roar, nothing. However, while I have yet to test it, it could be that using this skill while their AoE is in place would still hit them since you don't need a target as already said.

This also means when archers/sins stealth you can still pop it as soon as they stealth and possibly knock them out of stealth. But archers have their leaps now and you have to be quick to use it, so you'd have to guess where they went, but since it replenishes sparks it's safe to use

So, getting a lot of "lol skill fails" but I see potential here for PvP...yeah, sucks in PvE though

EDIT

It's also usable through invinicibility status effect, this includes AD, spark, and irongards.

As mentioned by Kirila, it does not affect aggro. This could be useful in some PvE times, if you get aggro but don't want to stop hitting, just pop this skill. This could also be fatal for clerics though, as he also stated.

EDIT2

Also, a Psychics SoV is ignored, you will not take SoV damage during Cyclone

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide · February 2012

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

So here's some things I've already seen people notice that I'll repost

-Doesn't work with BP

-5 minute cooldown is lame

-Can marrow and Cloud Sprint before using

And some things I did not see on the forum already

-Can be started with no target (Selecting nothing and click the skill, still activates it like it's a buff)

-Activatable with 2 sparks and 99 chi (not important, just throwing it out there)

So this means in TW it could be intensely useful. Psychics will get an AoE that makes them untargetable, which means normally incapable of attacking them (I don't know the limits of that skill yet) which means no HF, fissure, roar, nothing. However, while I have yet to test it, it could be that using this skill while their AoE is in place would still hit them since you don't need a target as already said.

This also means when archers/sins stealth you can still pop it as soon as they stealth and possibly knock them out of stealth. But archers have their leaps now and you have to be quick to use it, so you'd have to guess where they went, but since it replenishes sparks it's safe to use

So, getting a lot of "lol skill fails" but I see potential here for PvP...yeah, sucks in PvE though

all my dreams of having a mini vortex was just crushed =P

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver · February 2012

don't forget that it hits about as hard as a little 4th grade girl in a church dress.

Zanryu - Lothranis · February 2012

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

don't forget that it hits about as hard as a little 4th grade girl in a church dress.

Don't doubt the power of the human beyblades.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · February 2012

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

don't forget that it hits about as hard as a little 4th grade girl in a church dress.

Yeah... the problem is that while the damage is determined by weapon attack (200% of weapon damage IIRC), it doesn't stack with or include base damage... unlike nearly every other attack skill.

Kirila - Harshlands · February 2012

I tried this skill in fc yesterday on a little pull, just to test it on mobs. The fact that bp doesnt work with it makes it pretty useless in pve. In pvp on the other hand it might be usefull when u drop into a group of squishies. But at least i know never to use it in pve

Arocus - Archosaur · February 2012

Cyclone also doesn't affect aggro at all. Even after getting hit by cyclone, mobs will still aggro my cleric after one IH.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear · February 2012

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

-Activatable with 2 sparks and 99 chi (not important, just throwing it out there)

That's actually kind of important, since otherwise you'd need to be 89 and get your 3rd spark before you can use it (and you can learn the skill at 80).

So far the main use of the skill seems to be scouting an area for sins (while also playing the Benny Hill theme of course).

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide · February 2012

pops sins.

Saethos - Raging Tide · February 2012

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

don't forget that it hits about as hard as a little 4th grade girl in a church dress.

Don't be generous, it hits like a 1st grade girl scout!

BUT it also deals damage though AD and spark and Irongard and all other invinicibility things. After testing this on players I went to test it on mobs, I went to the pointless mob outside plume i the water, immune to damage one, and it did not work, so this skill is proving to be strictly a PvP skill

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2012

Will also mention you are unstunnable during its use so it can be used as an anti stun of sorts.

This was a good analysis of the skill, thanks Saethos.

JuFranz - Raging Tide · February 2012

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

don't forget that it hits about as hard as a little 4th grade girl in a church dress.

b:surrender Hope you've realized that this is for Level 80 and not the Level 100 version.

The Level 100 Skill should be able to hit harder than CS.

Saethos - Raging Tide · February 2012

Another thing I have noticed, using it on a Psy buffed with SoV, SoV doesn't hurt you...interesting.

Pots can be used, skills cannot, since it is an anti-stun, do I sense Irongard Cyclone?

Mythsoul - Heavens Tear · February 2012

And if there is someone in your squad who is in PK mode you can leave squad and chase them with Cyclone, fun fun

Zanryu - Lothranis · February 2012

Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »

Another thing I have noticed, using it on a Psy buffed with SoV, SoV doesn't hurt you...interesting.

Pots can be used, skills cannot, since it is an anti-stun, do I sense Irongard Cyclone?

Ultimate Irongaurd Cyclone Attack for MAXIMUM TROLLING

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2012

I just did a BH metal. Thought I'd share that I used Cyclone Sword to pull by magic marrowing and hitting my sprint skill first, then starting cyclone. I did make an error when I ran through the mobs and because it deals dmg every 3 seconds it didn't hit the back 2 because I was there and gone before it ticked, but otherwise it worked well. I could use buffs and sprint skill before. I didn't get sealed, I made it back to bubble and had my chi back to HF.

TheDan - Sanctuary · February 2012

It also bypasses jades, white voodoo defense levels of the white voodoo psychics as well as reductions like invoke / wind shield / plume shield.

An overall nice skill for PvP, sucks in PvE though imo, cool-down is way too long and isn't zerk/crit able like the seeker aoe for mobs.

monkydluffy · February 2012

hey Guys did you noticed that our Cyclone Version Doesn't do Base Physical Damage, i was wondering why this skill dont hit hard, this is from another PW version

Causa a todos os inimigos num raio de 10 metros, dano base fisico mais 200% dano da arma mais 2.500 a 6.500, dependendo da Forca da Alma (Anima), a cada 3 segundos. Habilidade tera duracao de 12 segundos ou ate que seja cancelada ou interrompida.

our Cyclone Version only says

200% Weapon Damage

if u see almost all bm skills do Base Physical Damage plus extras, i wonder if they are going to fix this

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · February 2012

monkydluffy wrote: »

hey Guys did you noticed that our Cyclone Version Doesn't do Base Physical Damage, i was wondering why this skill dont hit hard, this is from another PW version

our Cyclone Version only says if u see almost all bm skills do Base Physical Damage plus extras, i wonder if they are going to fix this

Fix this ?

You make it sound like its a glitch. b:laugh

The damage the skill does (which is low) matches its description which means weak damage for this skill was clearly PW's intent.

I can see this being useful in PVP because it basically gives you another Will of Bodhis for 12 seconds. Just don't expect to kill anybody with it. b:chuckle

Maelael - Heavens Tear · February 2012

Cyclone is downright terrible in PvE.

No Zerk, No Crit, No Zerk Crit, pointless. The lack of those and BP pretty much destroys the usefulness of the skill in PvE. Even with Trials Blessing it was terrible - not to mention, Im not sure trials blessing upped its damage. Damn it, Ill see if I can test that after tue unless someone has the time.

I think if you had 3-10 BMs Cycloning a Barbarian in TW to get past IG, it might be interesting. Or they could just hang out for a few seconds, killing other people, and then zerk crit the barb down. Dunno.

I'll try and test next weekend in TW if we end up with a non-serious TW. But bottom line: Cyclone was removed from my hotkeys yesterday after testing it out all weekend in PvE. I'd rather myriad sword stance.

aquawitchzz · February 2012

Please please please, dont use this skill to catch mobs.....it won't work.... My 99 cleric was duoing fc with my 99 bm friend, he used the skill, i healed him, mobs came after me b:shocked, i was like WTF. tried it again with some other FC squads, same thing...so happy that i can put plume shell up fast, would have been disastrous for less experienced clerics b:surrender

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2012

aquawitchzz wrote: »

Please please please, dont use this skill to catch mobs.....it won't work.... My 99 cleric was duoing fc with my 99 bm friend, he used the skill, i healed him, mobs came after me b:shocked, i was like WTF. tried it again with some other FC squads, same thing...so happy that i can put plume shell up fast, would have been disastrous for less experienced clerics b:surrender

You need to wait till all the mobs have been aggroed before you can heal. That's clericing 101. Assuming some will be missed on the first attack 3 seconds after the skill has started thats about 6 seconds before a heal should be given.

StarianNight - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

You need to wait till all the mobs have been aggroed before you can heal. That's clericing 101. Assuming some will be missed on the first attack 3 seconds after the skill has started thats about 6 seconds before a heal should be given.

not true, i waited some times, and ALL the mobs came after me, not one.... and i've experimented with some of my friends....same hting happend >.<

_Perses_ - Lost City · February 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

You need to wait till all the mobs have been aggroed before you can heal. That's clericing 101. Assuming some will be missed on the first attack 3 seconds after the skill has started thats about 6 seconds before a heal should be given.

Saku, as already has been stated earlier in the thread. The cyclone does not generate aggro on the mobs, it just does damage. Which is why if you are gonna use it, it's best to combo is with a dragons before using.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2012

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

Saku, as already has been stated earlier in the thread. The cyclone does not generate aggro on the mobs, it just does damage. Which is why if you are gonna use it, it's best to combo is with a dragons before using.

Oi, I missed that (post #7). Sorry about that aquawitch. Weird a skill can damage but not create aggro. Even a stun causes aggro.

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Oi, I missed that (post #7). Sorry about that aquawitch. Weird a skill can damage but not create aggro. Even a stun causes aggro.

It's not unprecedented. Edged Blur (of which BM new skill is basically a clone with it bypassing defense levels, Invoke, IG, etc...) has been known for ages now as a skill that does damage but doesn't generate aggro either.

StarianNight - Dreamweaver · February 2012

I just wanted to remind the BMs to be careful of what they use to get agro, clerics defense are not that great and it's very easy for us to die....And in random squads, if BM go into mobs with cyclone and cleric doesn't heal because they don't want agro, the BM blamed me for letting him die and rage quit the squad.....

I'm not saying all BMs are like that and I understand cyclone is a new skill that people needs to learn more about and get used to it, it's just an advice that if you want cleric heals, use another agro skill before using cyclone b:chuckle

_Perses_ - Lost City · February 2012

StarianNight - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I just wanted to remind the BMs to be careful of what they use to get agro, clerics defense are not that great and it's very easy for us to die....And in random squads, if BM go into mobs with cyclone and cleric doesn't heal because they don't want agro, the BM blamed me for letting him die and rage quit the squad.....

I'm not saying all BMs are like that and I understand cyclone is a new skill that people needs to learn more about and get used to it, it's just an advice that if you want cleric heals, use another agro skill before using cyclone b:chuckle

I don't think the mobs would be alive long enough with what I want to do :>

Triple spark -> cloud erupt -> dragons -> 2 spark pot -> cyclone

So that is 500% weapon damage, increased to 1000% (just basic asumption because of dragon effect) thanks to dragons and then add in cyclone as a AoE....yeah. Everything would be dead before issues occurred.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary · February 2012

_Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »

I don't think the mobs would be alive long enough with what I want to do :>

Triple spark -> cloud erupt -> dragons -> 2 spark pot -> cyclone

So that is 500% weapon damage, increased to 1000% (just basic asumption because of dragon effect) thanks to dragons and then add in cyclone as a AoE....yeah. Everything would be dead before issues occurred.

As people pointed out, its a pretty weak aoe. Maybe the 100 version will be better, but you'd do much more damage Triple spark->cloud erupt->dragons-> fissure, Highland, cyclone heel,... or what I do is HF->CE->GS-> and now I aoe with HF and 100% crit rate half the time, as well as everything debuffed for my squadmates.

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver · February 2012

U can use it with fists/ Unarmed >.>

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