Venomancer or Barbarian?

modernhorus
modernhorus Posts: 1 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Venomancer
ok so i'm a CHICK..OBVIOUSLY.....lol anyway, so im getting a new laptop (other one doesn't fit my needs (or wants XD)) and im a HUGE gamer and i loved the game kitsu saga but aeria games deleted it and i found perfect world it looks 100x better in graphics and gameplay and i decided that this will be the only game i download......lets get to the point, i am trying to decide what class i want to be...and i like untamed race but i dont know if i want to be a Venomancer or Barbarian?! i mean venomancer is like my way of life but Barbarian is like my other half....(lol) Venomancer is the ultimate soloist..and Barbarian is the ultimate tanker! which one is better for PVP? ignore my signature please...lol
Gonna play Perfect World as a Venomancer (not positive</3) soon<3...i just need to get my new laptop :/..............................................................................................................Call me Mod.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Neither particularly shines in PVP. Both are wanted for territory wars, for (obviously) different roles.
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  • Baby_pho - Heavens Tear
    Baby_pho - Heavens Tear Posts: 636 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Neither particularly shines in PVP. Both are wanted for territory wars, for (obviously) different roles.

    idk it depends on the player actually and ofc the gear. but yeh both are wanted for different roles. i find barbarians very boring to play from 1-99. i just use my hubby's barb when i want to tank =.=' i got my barb to lvl 8 and quit 2 years ago never doing it again rofl so boring. just my opinion tho.
  • Castgurl - Raging Tide
    Castgurl - Raging Tide Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Okay hun, here's my view of it.

    I have played both of the classes (female irl btw b:victory)

    However I have played a veno waaay longer than a barb.

    Honestly, it depends on what wither or not you want to be relied on (to a point) or just want to be somewhat of a "backup." As Mayfly stated (love the name btw...how about Mayrez for another one? XD) both don't really go "WOOOAH O_O" in the pvp realm. Barbs can be pretty epic if geared correctly AND used correctly. With venos, they just have to watch their back, send in the fire chicken of doom and just try to knock out the other person first. Decent gear helps out as well.

    If you:
    Like being the main tank (to a point, at lv.90+ do NOT be surprised if you start to play the lil o' debuff kitty for FC squads.)
    Like having a sht ton of hp
    Like being "called" upon for god knows what
    Would like to be view as pretty much a god in tw (Pulling catas)
    Just looking at a awesome looking Tiger while it tanks lol >.>

    Then pick a barb. I have one at lv.94 and it's awesome. Just be picky at the stat points >.> too much vit and you won't be able to hold aggro for shhhhhhhhhtz. They also seem the easiest (in my experience anyway) to play. Now, if you wanna start gearing your barbie up, you better save up coin, or get ready to spend cash to make it pvp worthy.

    Now then, if you prefer to:
    Pretty much do your own thing (solo'n most quests, mini bosses and even TTs once you get a herc)
    Be a main debuffer in tw and in instances as well.
    Love having different pets that kick some major b:dirty to a point
    Just being a mage in general

    Then play a veno. You -WILL- have a hard time getting one past the 90s through FC (in RT I had the HARDEST time to get to 100) Because many of the squads would perfer another lololapsrulezsht sin over a decent, lv.10 amp, willmakerungofasterduh veno. At high levels, you can even solo certain bosses and even some TTs (depending on the amount of - channeling you have on your character.) Other than that venos are a pretty decent well rounded class. Once you grab a nix for em, they're very nasty.

    Try em both. Last bit of advice I can give b:victory
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  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited February 2012

    Then play a veno. You -WILL- have a hard time getting one past the 90s through FC (in RT I had the HARDEST time to get to 100) Because many of the squads would perfer another lololapsrulezsht sin over a decent, lv.10 amp, willmakerungofasterduh veno
    ^ This is true. However, if you are sage and get level 11 amp, and advertise as such, it makes it a little easier. Still a pain in the rear though.b:surrender


    I notice OP is a girl, so I just wanted to point out that barbs can only be male, and venos only female. (I know some people don't care what gender they play but for me at least it's a deal breaker. I will never play a barb because I refuse to play a boy. b:shutup)
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  • Xamani - Lost City
    Xamani - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I play both a veno and a barb, and I love them both for different reasons. (By the way, it isn't at all obvious that you're female if you want to play a veno -- there are a lot of venos played by men and a lot of barbs played by women.) For PvP, I think barbs are more popular, although I personally don't do a lot of PK.


    Barb:

    1. I'm able to turn into a white tiger. Basically this is awesome because I love tigers, although I actually play in standing form more often. In tiger form, you run faster and resist damage better than other classes.

    2. It's very easy to play a barb. You're hard to kill so you don't have to be cautious, and you don't have to be that good with your skills to do all right. Once you get to the point that you can tank instances, knowing your skills really does help, though.

    3. When you get to higher levels, it's easy to find squads.

    4. You're not likely to be a target for PK.

    5. You can take on mobs and bosses that would kill a lot of other classes, although it may take you a while to kill them. Your weakness as a barb is lack of resistance to magic damage, but this is usually survivable.

    6. There's not a lot of variety or challenge in playing a barb.

    Veno:

    1. You get to tame pets. This is what I love most about my veno. It's fun learning the strong and weak points of the various pets, and how you can use them to best advantage. The downside is that you have to put in a lot work to keep your pets leveled up, and it can be expensive to get skills for them.

    2. Being able to switch from standing form to fox form is incredibly useful, since you can do both physical and magic damage, and have both physical and magic resistance. As a veno, you don't have any outstandingly powerful attacks, but neither do you have any extreme weaknesses.

    3. I know venos have a reputation for being easy to play, but I found my veno to be the most challenging class I've tried. You not only have to learn and use your own skills, you have to learn all your pets' skills and know how and when to use them. And you have to watch your pet's health in addition to your own.

    4. At higher levels, you may have difficulty finding squads. In an instance, your functions are pretty much limited to luring mobs/bosses with a pet, and debuffing.


    So, which one you'll like more really depends on how you like to play, and whether you prefer being part of a team or playing solo. Or you could do what I did, make one of each and play them both as the mood strikes you!
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    [*]It's very easy to play a barb. You're hard to kill so you don't have to be cautious, and you don't have to be that good with your skills to do all right. Once you get to the point that you can tank instances, knowing your skills really does help, though.

    Ouch , sorry but this doesnt apply

    Ur extremely easy to kill like any other clas unless u care to have good gear.

    u have to know all ur skills and use them properly so not to get other killed.

    And generally , Barbs lvl slowly through quests cause their killing speed is low.


    Venos on the other hand lvl fast on their own , and if u got friends , getting squad is easy.
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  • Xamani - Lost City
    Xamani - Lost City Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Ouch , sorry but this doesnt apply

    Ur extremely easy to kill like any other clas unless u care to have good gear.

    u have to know all ur skills and use them properly so not to get other killed.

    It's a given that you have good gear; that's a basic requirement for playing any class.

    And you did notice that I said it really helps to know your skills when it comes time to tank instances (even though I've been through plenty of instances with barbs who obviously didn't know them, and no one died).
  • Fintan - Lost City
    Fintan - Lost City Posts: 1,245 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    It's a given that you have good gear; that's a basic requirement for playing any class.

    Where "good" these days seems to mean "not NPC gear 30 levels lower than your level"... b:surrender
    And you did notice that I said it really helps to know your skills when it comes time to tank instances (even though I've been through plenty of instances with barbs who obviously didn't know them, and no one died).

    That's because you get non-fail clerics... b:chuckle

    But yeah. Barbs aren't squishy, if you have half a clue. If you're going to start building an APS barb at level 30, for example, you're going to die a lot. In higher level instances, if you're mediocre, you're not going to have aggro anyhow to worry about dying. As for leveling, it's gotten insanely easy in this game, regardless of class. (I'm leveling some alts right now, so I can say this again, with certainty. b:victory)

    As for venos, they're the all-purpose caster that is generally wanted everywhere but people won't admit it. They're also the Pokemon class. "Gotta hatch them all!" b:pleased

    Play them both side-by-side to level 30 or so. Decide which suits you better.
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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    i've played veno and cleric from the beginning of the game, but i also have a barb and other races, as a change of pace. the biggest problem you will have as a veno is that its almost a necessity to get a Baby Hercules....and that is a seriously expensive pet. its one of the two that have to be bought with real money-something like $200 on the gold shop. or you can hunt for the Sources of Force on catshops, but it will take a very long time, since you have to have so many of them. i've never been ever to afford one, i have the pet that was the top one when the game started, a golem called Crystaline Magnamite. its pretty good as a tank, but all pets only go as high as your own level. a veno carries a number of pets, if she likes, to have backups, and pets for specific jobs.

    a veno wears (usually) arcane robes, so she has to have the pets take the damage for you. there are many venos who go heavy armour, but it costs you in how you build your character, in not having enough points for magic,etc. most do over their character to HA when they are in their 90s...its not a good idea to start off in heavy armor.

    this is just a few thoughts of mine on this... i hope you like PWI!b:cute


    ok so i'm a CHICK..OBVIOUSLY.....lol anyway, so im getting a new laptop (other one doesn't fit my needs (or wants XD)) and im a HUGE gamer and i loved the game kitsu saga but aeria games deleted it and i found perfect world it looks 100x better in graphics and gameplay and i decided that this will be the only game i download......lets get to the point, i am trying to decide what class i want to be...and i like untamed race but i dont know if i want to be a Venomancer or Barbarian?! i mean venomancer is like my way of life but Barbarian is like my other half....(lol) Venomancer is the ultimate soloist..and Barbarian is the ultimate tanker! which one is better for PVP? ignore my signature please...lol
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  • Caydon - Heavens Tear
    Caydon - Heavens Tear Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I chose Barbarian though. But first, let's discuss veno.

    Some people mentioned that it's going to be hard to level a veno through FC. This doesn't just go for veno. It goes for wiz/psy/mystic (unless there's a shortage of clerics). All non-healing players have this sh*t, so you need to find out whether you love the class or not.

    What I do like about veno is the ability to solo quite a lot of stuff, especially if you have a herc, but I eventually preferred a mystic's playstyle because of the ability to quickly heal self and pets, to summon plants to boost healing/damage/debuffs.

    Also, venos can make runs go faster because of Sage Amp and stuff, but this has become a bit debatable because of mystics plants. Now I'm not sure how much difference it does.

    Venos sage amp (correct me if I'm wrong), lowers HP by 20%, but mystics plants consistently attempt to lower def and atk, and places curses. So....... It might level off. I don't know. I'm groping in the dark on this one.

    -- Why did I vote barbarian?

    First of all, you're always wanted in the early to mid game, you're the best tank. As end game approaches, people still want you because of your wonderful buffs. And if you learn your class, and really push the limits, your barb is going to be amazing.

    Also, if you feel like you cannot avoid the whole craze about APS, you can easily restat your barb at 100+ to wear claws so you don't lose out on Nirvana. I can't bring myself to do that on my barb, so it's rotting at 95 with his dusty axes.

    I do dislike the low damage output though.

    -- My suggestion?

    Roll both, and play a few levels, see how you like it. When I rolled a veno, I loved it and grinded all the way to 81. Didn't do anything but quests - not even crazy stone LOL! But the difficulty in getting FC slowly demoralized me. As for barb, I couldn't stand the low damage even at higher levels but I couldn't bring myself to restat him for claws.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    What I do like about veno is the ability to solo quite a lot of stuff, especially if you have a herc, but I eventually preferred a mystic's playstyle because of the ability to quickly heal self and pets, to summon plants to boost healing/damage/debuffs.

    Veno has self heals: Leech, Metabolic Boost, and Soul Transfusion. Veno can also boost dmg and debuff.
    Also, venos can make runs go faster because of Sage Amp and stuff

    Non sage amped venos can pretend they're sage amped, and Demon amp is generally as good. Just because venos can, doesn't mean they do. Most venos are fail players that were either recommended the Veno class, or did it for it's cuteness.
    Venos sage amp (correct me if I'm wrong), lowers HP by 20%,

    At this point: quit giving advice. -Seriously.
    -- Why did I vote barbarian?

    Many wise people who value their time wouldn't have read to this point.
    First of all, you're always wanted in the early to mid game, you're the best tank.

    Generalization, and instance dependent.
    As end game approaches, people still want you because of your wonderful buffs. And if you learn your class, and really push the limits, your barb is going to be amazing.

    I have a Barb alt for buffs; don't need one in squad. -Others pay barbs for buffs rather than include.
    Also, if you feel like you cannot avoid the whole craze about APS, you can easily restat your barb at 100+ to wear claws so you don't lose out on Nirvana. I can't bring myself to do that on my barb, so it's rotting at 95 with his dusty axes.

    Self defeat. -(you choose to rot). -Why are you giving advice?
    I do dislike the low damage output though.

    Self hater.
    -- My suggestion?

    Roll both, and play a few levels, see how you like it. When I rolled a veno, I loved it and grinded all the way to 81. Didn't do anything but quests - not even crazy stone LOL!

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  • BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver
    BloodyQueen - Dreamweaver Posts: 117 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Veno's don't have only amp as a debuff... e,e lvl10 ironwood drops p def with 30% sage- with 40% and lasts longer and demon has a chance of an armor break whereas mystic's creeper at lvl10 drops defenses with 20% and we can also have targets remain perma debuffed since ironwood is quite spammable while creeper is 6secs... then 6secs again. Don't get me wrong I don't wanna be a hater but I have played a mystic as well and I'm sayin all this from personal epx.

    So anyway... we also have 2 myriads that can either mind or armor break or even both b:dirty I sometimes get pissed off at mystics that overwrite my debuffs in sq. I get mind/armor break from myriad but oh no they summon creeper x,x or even when I simply ironwood .-. rather than having that -40% debuff it gets overwritten with -20 When with a veno in squad I believe it's a better idea to use spidervine tho it depends on the situation when doing an easy boss having his attack reduced might be rather useless. But when I happen to duo TT with a mystic I rather that he uses spidervine so I can calmly throw in my debuffs and don't worry so much about healing pet since attack is reduced and I can dd a bit more.

    But it's not just venos, cleric's debuffs at lvl10 also drop defenses with 30% and they get stronger with demon/sage version and I'm gonna stop here... :3

    P.S. It's not sage amp that drops hp with 20% but sage soul degen.
  • Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear
    Phoenix_Eye - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,681 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Mystics Debuffs arent the best.

    Venos / barbs / clerics have better physical defence debuffs

    Clerics / Veno pet skill Howl / Blademasters have better Magic def debuff

    Assassins have the best physical attack speed debuff

    Mystic plants are only good in AoE situations when Lysed (maximun effect ) at times when people dont debuff at all.

    If Venos and clerics Actually used their debuffs , noone would want a mystic for debuffing , they would be more effective at squad healing and DDing

    IMO , ull have a way easier time with a veno , it is a class that retains its usefulness and pride at all levels , without having to change your build and accept a stupid money making craze. Provided you learn how to play one properly
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