Rise against devs, Fight for Caster Nirvana

You're missing my point.

In order to get remotely close to balancing pve income, they need to remove timer from talismans. Perhaps there are other solutions but the question is how long will it take them to figure it out, will they ever figure it out, etc.

On the other hand - they had a perfect glitch for doing just the same, so if they are lazy enough not to come up with a legit solution, why remove a glitch that serves the same purpose? I agree it's a glitch but you can't say it's equal to goons glitch or the gv glitch.

Makes you wonder why they can't fix rubber banding and such glitches for ages...On a similar note, it took them how long to fix goons glitch? Strangely enough, it took them just a month to fix the only glitch in this game that did nothing wrong, didn't break the game or give anybody an unfair advantage.

That's my whole point, it's a rare case of a beneficial and yet balanced glitch to which they will hopefully find a proper replacement because it's blatantly obvious the game is back to its old ways, with aps classes holding monopoly over nirvana.

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

Melees spend hundreds of millions to farm Nirvana efficiently, a caster can spend 100m and farm caster fast enough for it to be a good profit. How's that fair?

Oh, hey I know! Let's make all TT bosses phys immune so only casters can do them! Then everything will be balanced b:dirty

Dude you are obviously clueless, literally every post you wrote made no sense. If you wish to claim something, at least get your facts straight.

I have a r8+7 psy with 2nd rec helm+cape, tt99 neck, r8 wrist+boots and around 10 DoTs sharded. Now let's see what would that translate to if I was an aps char.

It costs roughly 115mill coins just to get r8 chest+legs+wep. Add to that r8 boots+legs and that right there covers the cost of barrier thorn daggers if you farm some of the mats+buy the rest. (depending on whether you decide to buy wedding canny from people for months or not, the price for r8 wrist and boots can double, meaning you're left with enough money to also refine your daggers)


It cost me 500cannies+lunar mats to get my recast helm+cape. That right there covers the cost for 2nd rec tt pants for my sin+tt99 wrist, tt99 boots and tt99 neck - once again some of the mats are farmed.

tt99 belt I can pay with just 3 of my DoTs, possibly even less considering the fact I'd farm some of the mats and save substantial amount of coins.

I'm left with money spent on tt99 neck, 7 DoTs, other immaculate/perfect shards and the refines (all my gear is +6 with weapon, helm and cape +7). A pan gu tome costs ~230-240mill coins to make, suffice to say I'd be looking at maybe ~40mill coins extra I'd need to pay to get my char to full 5aps (interval cape I can get for free in tm69).


To make my life even easier, I have a 5aps friend who will help me farm most of the mats for tt99 gear, which means I'll have more than enough money left to refine my daggers to +10. With that character I'm ready to **** anything in the game, run 5min nirvanas and make 40 times more money per hour than my psychic can make now.

Now tell me again, how exactly are aps classes poor little creatures that spent 10times more money on their char, hence deserving to make 10times more money per hour than us?

Even a full r9 psy is not even remotely close to the powerhouse in pve that 5aps sins represent, and to make one you need to spend three times more money - balanced game, eh?

Vorbane - Harshlands wrote: »

RAH RAH! My fellow PWI beings, no longer shall we suffer thru this horrific unpleasing situation. Casters cant spam 55 nirvanas a day? **** T H AT! SPazzyMcAps #45678 can do his 76 runs a day why cant we? Today is the day WE STAND! WE ARE THE 99%! #OCCUPYPWI

I did 100runs in a week and it was thanks to friends list making it easier to do regular runs every day.

If you had no life and decided to spend an entire 24hours on nirvanas, you would do up to 48 runs. In comparison, a barb with sage skills (or whatever aps like 'em to have) does 30-40runs per day. Numbers rise drastically if you are a 5aps sin.

So even with the glitch, a hard-working caster had at best a 1:3 ratio in number of runs done in a week when compared to an average lazy 5aps. Without the glitch that ratio is now 1:15 at best.

Mind you, we made 33% less profit (at least) per week on 2x drops even with the glitch, so how the hell is it all good now without the glitch? I'm not saying glitches should be a part of the game - and to all the aps characters who say we QQ and are too lazy to run normal nirvanas:

1) If devs nerf your damage to the point it takes you 30mins to run a nirvana, I'll have an easier time finding runs for myself because the market would be balanced to that time efficiency, whereas now it's dictated by the sins who do 3men nirvanas in 10mins.

2) As much as I'd like to run a normal nirvana, it's super hard to find a barb willing to waste 40minutes of his time for the amount of coins we make. The time/reward ratio is so bad that it's virtually impossible to do it unless you are really that bored and too lazy to grind DQ which would bring you pretty much the same hourly "profit".

From time to time, 5aps/r9 sin friends will do a run with us, I'm guessing just to break the routine - that's about it when it comes to our chances of doing mediocre normal nirvana runs.

3) Bit off topic but I find it funny aps classes QQ our bosses are easy, have too low hp, etc. It takes far less brains and skills to run a normal nirvana than it takes to run caster nirvana (most bosses die to aps before they can even **** anyway).When you compare pve dps of aps classes and casters, of course our bosses should have less hp - or haven't you noticed how sins solo 2shot bosses that casters need several mins to kill?