My Slaying Levels VS DMG Test

Gabbyz - Lost City
Gabbyz - Lost City Posts: 25 Arc User
edited February 2012 in General Discussion
Slaying Levels vs Pure Dmg

Many people including myself have been wondering How the weaker PvE Weapons with slaying levels compare to The Already Modern Frost/Lunar/R8/R9 Weapons. I did a bit of tests and here is what i've found:

1. The levels aren't like atk/def they aren't exactly 1% each. Upon equipting the 45 Slaying level weapon i received 39% extra dmg against non player characters. So it is close but not quite.
2. The magic sword i tested, unrefined has roughly 350-400 less magic attack than my Aquadash and an unrefined R8 weapon. After Pondering some mobs of various levels i found the sword's damage to be very constant, as magic swords are rep'd for. As for my Weapon. (Aquadash, refinement + gems = to that of unrefined R8 pataka) my low side was equal to the PvE weapons dmg. But various times the mid/high spikes of the weapon overcame the damage of the PvE weapon. Thus i've found my testing to be unsuccessful. For now from what i see these new weapons are just as good if not worse than the currents we have, plus leave you wide open to PK and the fact you'd still need another weapon to do any damage in TW.

*I don't have the other weapons yet, this is not verified for melee classes, it is also done using the 95 weapon of +45 slaying levels, also known as 39% extra dmg to non player monsters. If anyone gets their 101 before me please post about it. I doubt the 100/101s few more levels will make much different as that's 10x and the Rank's refined i assure are better. But as a disclaimer i only tried the 95 weapon so far. I'll post after further tests with the other weapons :)

*EDIT* The damage of Pataka's and Glaives are confirmed out dmging the PvE 95 Weapon. As for the sword's (confirmed) and the wand's (unconfirmed) These both are lower Dmg than the sword due to lack of spike damage.
As reported the melee's seem to out dmg some weapons too. Additionally info when found is appreciated.
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I tested the new magic sword unrefined vs my TT99 Green +4 Perfect sharded and it generally out DD'd my weapon.

    Same for Slingshot vs Demonic Rebuttal +3 duel perf garnet.
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  • Gabbyz - Lost City
    Gabbyz - Lost City Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I tested the new magic sword unrefined vs my TT99 Green +4 Perfect sharded and it generally out DD'd my weapon.

    Same for Slingshot vs Demonic Rebuttal +3 duel perf garnet.

    As for the melee i don't know. The 99's are all swords though. So i can see why because they're damage is a lower range compared to Glaives. Pataka's have the characteristics of glaives though (spiking) So As for The glaives and Rank i still see them out dmging the PvE Weapon. For swords like buddhas and the 99 greens it would appear Those don't. i'll update top. Thanks ^^
  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    +3 G8 Sapphire sharded PvE Magicsword just out DDs my +5 Neon Purgatory with a Sapphire Gem.

    For PvE this gear could potentially kick *** over R8 and maybe be close enough to R9o_o
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »
    +3 G8 Sapphire sharded PvE Magicsword just out DDs my +5 Neon Purgatory with a Sapphire Gem.

    For PvE this gear could potentially kick *** over R8 and maybe be close enough to R9o_o

    Unsharded, unrefined r8 outdamages +5 neon purgatory, that sounds like bad damage.
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  • levy77
    levy77 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    where do you get those weaps? ive looking over all npc on new map and found nothing D: pls help
  • Fintan - Lost City
    Fintan - Lost City Posts: 1,245 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    levy77 wrote: »
    where do you get those weaps? ive looking over all npc on new map and found nothing D: pls help

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  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Well got the level 95 daggers and I am quite impressed. Unrefined I was getting close to the same general dmg range my g13 nirvana's get, just a bit lower. I did a dmg test on silver frost I will do it again and post here the hits in a few mins.
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    Unsharded, unrefined r8 outdamages +5 neon purgatory, that sounds like bad damage.

    Im 98 dumbass, where can I get hold of an R8 weapon at this level? And not everyone has R8 from the get-go you know, even nowadays. I still see plenty of people using +3 TT99 glaives that would get outperformed by this PvE gear in PvE.

    The G15 versions will be interestign to see. I'm still placing bets on beating R8, cos the free one manages to beat what was once endgame gear b:bye
    I've quit excluding TW for my faction. But I still hang around to help out those who still enjoy the game under PWEs horrific handling and to have fun in the forums. b:cute
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »
    For PvE this gear could potentially kick *** over R8 and maybe be close enough to R9o_o
    John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »
    Im 98 dumbass, where can I get hold of an R8 weapon at this level?

    You're pretty stupid. You said it could replace r8 or r9 and if it barely outdamages +5 purgatory then i'm just saying it won't, You don't have to turn it into something personal. I dont look at core connect so as far as I'm concerned you're a lvl 36 bm.
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  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Will probaly post in Sin forums later as well. The boss was Silver Frost in SP. I only posted part of the damage log but going through it, was pretty consentant with what i put below. If you notice the lowest hit was the first which was the skill rib strike. I am pretty certain if i get 2 +75 att shards and +10 the spike damage and aps damage will go well beyond the damage capabilities of G13 nirvana, mainly because of the 45 pve att levels. Pretty much what 95's now have access to is a dumbed down warsoul weapon which can possibly make g13 nirvana's absolete to a point. Cant wait to see what stats rehoned g15's look like and random add's

    The only buffs where self buffs (bp and wolf emblem)


    Damage Test 1 G13 Nirvana +10 2 x +75 att shards 5aps sparked
    WE + Spark + harmony + SS + Tangling Mire + LvL10 Frenzy

    15174 Lowest 15174
    20570 Highest 72512
    25109
    55914
    24252

    25787
    60143
    58556
    25001
    29470

    29710
    28166
    29642
    64617
    29722

    Damage Test 2 Pixie Piercers +3 no shards 4aps sparked

    13610 Highest 49206
    18510 Lowest 13610
    17785
    40101

    19837
    22209
    20122
    47926

    20076
    45748
    20467
    20723

    22807
    49206
    21091
    19778
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  • Deadalus - Harshlands
    Deadalus - Harshlands Posts: 546 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    The Quest Daggers (+0, no shards) do less dmg then my G13 (+10, Perfect garnet) so im keeping my G13 b:pleased

    No tbh, its a PvE weapon and i think, its not worth upgrading the weapon u get from the quest (the G12 one) but wait till you can.. recast? it.
  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    You're pretty stupid. You said it could replace r8 or r9 and if it barely outdamages +5 purgatory then i'm just saying it won't, You don't have to turn it into something personal. I dont look at core connect so as far as I'm concerned you're a lvl 36 bm.

    By "this gear" I was indicating the whole expansions gear, including the G15 versions. But I wouldn't expect you to understand something like that, you evidently have a hard time thinking.
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  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Deadalus - Harshlands wrote: »
    The Quest Daggers (+0, no shards) do less dmg then my G13 (+10, Perfect garnet) so im keeping my G13 b:pleased

    No tbh, its a PvE weapon and i think, its not worth upgrading the weapon u get from the quest (the G12 one) but wait till you can.. recast? it.

    Of course they do less damage with no ref's, but are not to far behind it
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  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    831-1016 MAtk on the G15 MSword by the way. The stats ingame are randomised but Slaying level is fixed so you would assume they'll come with 45 Slaying levels by default plus some random stats. Works out as 39 % extra damage to mobs by the way.

    +26 refine (Same as R8 Refine) as well.

    We'll se when we get there, but I thought Hard might need some help.
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  • HardToThink - Lost City
    HardToThink - Lost City Posts: 967 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Stop blaming me that you forgot to say g15 and take a pill. Oh and r8? 1212-1481 +15 magic and magic attack +130. Could g15 beat r8? Yes I think it might. R9? no way r9 gets attack levels that work just fine on mobs to.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    G13/G15 might be comparable to R8 in PvE, but are the majority of the endgame players gonna refine/shard two sets of gear as one set is comparable to TT80-99 (G12-15) at best? know for sure I won't be.
  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    HardToThink - Lost City wrote: »
    Stop blaming me that you forgot to say g15 and take a pill. Oh and r8? 1212-1481 +15 magic and magic attack +130. Could g15 beat r8? Yes I think it might. R9? no way r9 gets attack levels that work just fine on mobs to.

    R9 is a long hope, I know. But I can hope, since PW won't lose much, those who want R9 will get it, those who like PvE will farm and charge to refine easy to get PvE gear.
    I've quit excluding TW for my faction. But I still hang around to help out those who still enjoy the game under PWEs horrific handling and to have fun in the forums. b:cute
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  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    G13/G15 might be comparable to R8 in PvE, but are the majority of the endgame players gonna refine/shard two sets of gear as one set is comparable to TT80-99 (G12-15) at best? know for sure I won't be.

    Depends on what people decied what their endgame gear is, I would say alot of people have 2 or even 3 sets of daggers (me for example, g13,R8 and now g12 lvl 95's) on them all the time.At one point in time I had 5. Before this content release I always had my +11 R8's and m y+10 g13's. I would use my R8's for one hit damage and the G13's for aps damage and more consistant heals/skill usage. Seeing (beside Lunar) most end game gear (99+) is all bound and most gold 90 gear is as well, people having multiple end game weapons is always possible.

    I also have 2 bound bows b:surrender
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Not really the point. The point is spending ~170m refining and sharding a weapon just for PvE knowing even when refined it's equal to unrefined R8 in PvP at best. When you +11ed your R8 and +10ed your g13 you know they're viable in both PvP and PvE. However with the new set of gear they're completely junk in PvP.
  • levy77
    levy77 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Fintan - Lost City wrote: »
    Do all your new quests... b:surrender


    ok thx :)
  • John_Smith - Harshlands
    John_Smith - Harshlands Posts: 865 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Not really the point. The point is spending ~170m refining and sharding a weapon just for PvE knowing even when refined it's equal to unrefined R8 in PvP at best. When you +11ed your R8 and +10ed your g13 you know they're viable in both PvP and PvE. However with the new set of gear they're completely junk in PvP.

    A lot of people don't give a flying for PvP however. Hence the large number of PvE servers. (I know they PvP there too but..)
    I've quit excluding TW for my faction. But I still hang around to help out those who still enjoy the game under PWEs horrific handling and to have fun in the forums. b:cute
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »
    A lot of people don't give a flying for PvP however. Hence the large number of PvE servers. (I know they PvP there too but..)

    Most competitive PvEers also TW.
  • sachelfunlol
    sachelfunlol Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Not really the point. The point is spending ~170m refining and sharding a weapon just for PvE knowing even when refined it's equal to unrefined R8 in PvP at best. When you +11ed your R8 and +10ed your g13 you know they're viable in both PvP and PvE. However with the new set of gear they're completely junk in PvP.

    Oh yes I totaly agree on that point. The 95's in PvP are totaly junk b:chuckle. But to PvE only peeps(those that dont even TW) or just for farming this is a great alternative to Rank, TT,Lunar OHT Nirvana ect.
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  • Kerona - Sanctuary
    Kerona - Sanctuary Posts: 1,771 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    To me sounds like these weapons, for now, are a great alternative for Alts. Will have to see how they perform at G15.
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  • CrazyMig - Lost City
    CrazyMig - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    b:victory ive been doing testing to with the pve lv 95 magic sword +0 refine no shards vs NV 1st cast +7 wand (Aftermath) lv 9 magic shard

    this testing has been done on a mystic pure magic build. a magic wand being a good base weapon to test with because low damage to high damage only vary's by 500 damage.


    Mystic lv 101
    nv wand 1st cast
    (aftermath)+7
    equipped magic attack 10372-10501
    skill used demon Nature's Vengeance
    damage on mob lv 98 earth element. (Regolith)
    14834
    14697
    14743
    14713
    14713


    Mystic lv 101
    lv95 pve magic sword
    (Empyrean Edge)+0 45 Slaying level
    equipped magic attack 5274-6546
    skill used demon Nature's Vengeance
    damage on mob lv 98 earth element. (Regolith)
    12721
    13383
    13011
    13104
    12423


    In my personal opinion, the pve gear is powerful and should be worth getting even more so for anyone who don't care for pvp. i believe the lv 101 pve gear will be the closest thing to r9 in both power and defense. b:bye

    i will note that because of the lower magic attack with the lv 95 pve weapon equipped healing skills are weaker due to the lower magic attack.
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    And you realise R8 is better than G13 NV?
  • CrazyMig - Lost City
    CrazyMig - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    And you realise R8 is better than G13 NV?

    b:pleased you do realise i can account stash a nv wand to be used on my many alts lol. making 1 strong weapon is better then buying and making 4 strong rank 8 b:chuckle
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    CrazyMig - Lost City wrote: »
    b:pleased you do realise i can account stash a nv wand to be used on my many alts lol. making 1 strong weapon is better then buying and making 4 strong rank 8 b:chuckle

    Most people have R8 and not G13/15 NV.
  • CrazyMig - Lost City
    CrazyMig - Lost City Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Most people have R8 and not G13/15 NV.

    what most ppl have and or do is not always the best path for everyone else b:cute

    its better for me to only have and refining 1 weapon, then to have 2 or more weapons that i must refine.

    my reason's for having the gear i do dose not change the point of the post i made. i compared the new pve gear to a strong end game weapon. pointing out that even lv95pve weapon with no refines and its low stats on the weapon it still powerful enough to be compared to higher refined end game weapon. b:bye
  • OontzOontz - Dreamweaver
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    It would be more useful to classes with higher damage like BIDS or gemini.
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