We need compensation for what they just did to pwi!
Torva_Avune - Archosaur
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ok...well,ill restate what i stated in my other thread
a sin that does 40k dmg a second over 5 seconds,.would lose 2k dmg per second
over 2 minutes that would be a 240k point dmg point loss
over a reasonable lower boss-boss battle,,which is 10 minutes (atleast the one i saw in fc),that would be a 1.2 million dmg point loss
and this aint just effecting sins,5 aps archers,barbs,blademasters,maybe even the odd aps seeker.....this will efefct them alll
and it effects clerics too,cause being glass cannon,a cat sneeze could knockout my char,so i need the melee at the front lines
and the dmg loss i calculated is jsut for normal attack,i havent even begun to calculate what the loss will be with things like heaven`s flame,sparks,or other attack boosters,it will be even worse with the skills that hit big
not to mention the other things they did to pwi that were bad.....clerics MM mode disabling heals,cutting my already zilch hp to ribbons...and disabling our group buffs?I WAS JUST IN ZHEN LAST NIGHT,BB WAS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE SQUAD
venos fox form gettin nerfed....and most likely more nerfs are present and will be revealed once its found out
i say we deserve compensation of some kind....personally i vote for a new race or something..BUT ONE THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT OP...yeah freakin right,like they could ever pull that off....perhaps something that less sunshine and butterflys?
ima make a poll ,but you guys come up with other ideas for us to be compensated with
a sin that does 40k dmg a second over 5 seconds,.would lose 2k dmg per second
over 2 minutes that would be a 240k point dmg point loss
over a reasonable lower boss-boss battle,,which is 10 minutes (atleast the one i saw in fc),that would be a 1.2 million dmg point loss
and this aint just effecting sins,5 aps archers,barbs,blademasters,maybe even the odd aps seeker.....this will efefct them alll
and it effects clerics too,cause being glass cannon,a cat sneeze could knockout my char,so i need the melee at the front lines
and the dmg loss i calculated is jsut for normal attack,i havent even begun to calculate what the loss will be with things like heaven`s flame,sparks,or other attack boosters,it will be even worse with the skills that hit big
not to mention the other things they did to pwi that were bad.....clerics MM mode disabling heals,cutting my already zilch hp to ribbons...and disabling our group buffs?I WAS JUST IN ZHEN LAST NIGHT,BB WAS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE SQUAD
venos fox form gettin nerfed....and most likely more nerfs are present and will be revealed once its found out
i say we deserve compensation of some kind....personally i vote for a new race or something..BUT ONE THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT OP...yeah freakin right,like they could ever pull that off....perhaps something that less sunshine and butterflys?
ima make a poll ,but you guys come up with other ideas for us to be compensated with
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Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »ok...well,ill restate what i stated in my other thread
a sin that does 40k dmg a second over 5 seconds,.would lose 2k dmg per second
over 2 minutes that would be a 240k point dmg point loss
over a reasonable lower boss-boss battle,,which is 10 minutes,that would be a 1.2 million dmg point loss
So which ''lower boss'' has 600 * 40.000 = 24 million hp then?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
that is just on paper math
it took 10 minutes cause of intterupts,sleeps,and so on
i was just giving numbers though,i know some bosses out there got that much hp....
and dont mind if i occasionally have a short term memory error,i drink about 12-24 ounce energy drinks every few hours0 -
Compensated? For what?
Maybe some of us are fine with the changes and updates? Assume much to think everyone is as bitter about a f2p MMo as you are?0 -
Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »Compensated? For what?
Maybe some of us are fine with the changes and updates? Assume much to think everyone is as bitter about a f2p MMo as you are?
maybe cause yer not one of the ones effected by the changes?
also note the amount of money spent on this game by players in the cash shop..its why this is not entirely a f2p mmo0 -
Oh noes! A 5aps sin can only do 98x as much damage as a non-aps player, not 100x! We need compensation!!Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »a sin that does 40k dmg a second over 5 seconds,.would lose 2k dmg per second
over 2 minutes that would be a 240k point dmg point loss
...seriously? >_>
Seekers can't even REACH 5aps, or anywhere close. Could you at least read the update properly? -_-Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »and this aint just effecting sins,5 aps archers,barbs,blademasters,maybe even the odd aps seeker.....this will efefct them alll
Maybe Violet Dance isn't designed for normal squad play? It's clearly designed for a cleric in DD capacity - perhaps if there are two in the squad and one can easily handle the healing alone.Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »not to mention the other things they did to pwi that were bad.....clerics MM mode disabling heals,cutting my already zilch hp to ribbons...and disabling our group buffs?I WAS JUST IN ZHEN LAST NIGHT,BB WAS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE SQUAD
When you get new skills, you adapt to them and you find out where they're useful. You don't QQ about them not being universally useful.
That one was worded wrong. No veno has noticed any nerf. There's even a thread about it on this board today.Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »venos fox form gettin nerfed....and most likely more nerfs are present and will be revealed once its found out
New classes are the LAST thing we will ever need again. All you get from new classes is a bunch of impatient newbies who just abuse FF up to lv100 and then buy endgame gear. That was the content of our last two expansions. I realize on your server FF abuse is probably very common, but it may surprise you to learn that some people have more dignity than that.Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »i say we deserve compensation of some kind....personally i vote for a new race or something..BUT ONE THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT OP...yeah freakin right,like they could ever pull that off....perhaps something that less sunshine and butterflys?
I love how your poll just consists of two options that basically say the same thing.Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »ima make a poll ,but you guys come up with other ideas for us to be compensated with[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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atleast archosaur helps keep the game running (try going on archosaur and going half a second without seeing the "duke shouts" that signify someone throwing alot of cash into packs, i dare you) and no my poll options did not say the same thing...
the point is,they decided to do this way too long after the fact...not to mention that they did it incompletely,so now things will be extremely messed up for a good long time
also (venos did get nerfed to a certain extent...specifically fox form...specifically healing pets and the like)
and another thing is,i think you dont really know how the irl ness of games even works...for oen thing,lots of other mmo`s out there have tons more classes and races
i used to play a 10 year old mmorpg that had 2 races,4 classes per race,with about 4 subclasses per class
and also,the line bout what happens with new races...cram it with your generalizations
generalizations are the product of an imperfect mind >.> like with the earthguards,the seekers are really doing well on archosaur (hardly see them as much in fc and zhen as say,sins,barbs,clerics,and archers)0 -
Archosaur has maybe half the population of older servers like HT or Sanctuary. Even if someone gets a pack item every ten seconds - which I seriously doubt, because I played on Archosaur for a month and that's not what I saw - at least that many people on older servers are also "keeping the game running."Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »atleast archosaur helps keep the game running (try going on archosaur and going half a second without seeing the "duke shouts" that signify someone throwing alot of cash into packs, i dare you)
A larger percentage of cash shoppers on your server is NOT a point in your favor, you know.
One was in support of your "compensation" idea because PW* screwed up, the other one is just a joke which ends in another statement saying PW* screwed up. So my options are "Agree with OP" or "Agree with OP."Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: » and no my poll options did not say the same thing...
What did they do "way too long after the fact?" The APS nerf? It was needed two years ago and it barely does anything at all as it is. It doesn't merit a QQ thread and it absolutely doesn't merit an entire new pair of classes (which I'm still at a loss as to how that's even relevant to this supposed slight).Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »the point is,they decided to do this way too long after the fact...not to mention that they did it incompletely,so now things will be extremely messed up for a good long time[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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well torva btw your one of the ONLY people out of MILLIONS that are even complaigning about the aps nerf
ik lvl 100 bm's, 105 sins and the like that read the fourums, their all aware of the nerf. and GUESS WHAT
even when it was a 24% dmg cut like it was SUPPOSED to be *but that's only effecting pvp atm* most sins still didn't seem to care about it . . . . because why you ask
40k damage per second even if it's cut to 10k damage per second *bm's cut from 20k - 5k would be qq'd ya* but 40k - 10k, sins can still stealth to a boss, and their STILL THE TOP DD IN THE GAME. this little 2k per second over an extremely long fight yes it adds up and doing the bosses over and over and over again
WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF THE CASTERS - except we don't even dd it 1/2 as fast as your nerfed damage. and that's with all r8/r9's. so dude get over yourself
FLAME ON
edit: OH OH OH ME ME ME i think i know how new classes are relavent *you posted that while i was typing this out
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so ya with his qq and massive lack of attention to detail or the OVERAL PICTURE, i'd say he has a sin 5.0 ofc, probably used it + his obvious cash shopping if you've read other threads on the main page *fashon related* and all the classes he's used his sin + cs to power lvl to r8 100's, he's not skilled enough to play them so he needs a new class. so that he at least has a temporary excuse to why he's failing so hard. . . . .
whether it's true or not that's my assumption0 -
i got an 82 cleric i dont even have a sin or melee for that matter
my point is things were going decent save for the occasional gripe,and now this
also,to the heaven`s tear guy......your weak honestly..cause without cash shoppers like me,even the cash shoppers who purchase a small amount...YOU would not exist on this game,pwi would not exist,nothing would
the people who have the capacity to pay but dont because of some bogus high minded notion,are basically freeloading off of the money spent by cash shoppers,most of them who worked hard for the money irl
thats capitalism,you get your money,you can buy whatever ya want with it cause you earned that right
if you dont like capitalism,go to north korea,if you dont like north korea,go to detroit XD
and also to the heaven`s tear guy..i thougt we were over the capitalism vs whining communism debate
but we can go there if you like,i guarantee you you wont come out the same0 -
i got an 82 cleric i dont even have a sin or melee for that matter
So basically you're just talking out of your as.sre0 -
changes in game system, and you ask for a new race as compensation?
...am i the only one who feels like /facedesk right now?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »well torva btw your one of the ONLY people out of MILLIONS that are even complaigning about the aps nerf.......................
edit: OH OH OH ME ME ME i think i know how new classes are relavent *you posted that while i was typing this out*
is it just me or are people from sanc less nasty and spitefull than ones from heaven`s tear?0 -
ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »So basically you're just talking out of your as.s
no actually you are
i dont have one "as my main"...but yes i got around 8 characters actually,seeker,sin,archer,blademaster in addition,and some others
so this does infact effect me alot0 -
MyuMyu - Harshlands wrote: »changes in game system, and you ask for a new race as compensation?
...am i the only one who feels like /facedesk right now?
no you arent id be fine either way...a new race that is balanced,not op,that could help stabilize the game eventually...or,some new tweaks that didnt bite,and helped solve things 0 -
First of all, define "doing really well."Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »and another thing is,i think you dont really know how the irl ness of games even works...for oen thing,lots of other mmo`s out there have tons more classes and races
i used to play a 10 year old mmorpg that had 2 races,4 classes per race,with about 4 subclasses per class
and also,the line bout what happens with new races...cram it with your generalizations
generalizations are the product of an imperfect mind >.> like with the earthguards,the seekers are really doing well on archosaur (hardly see them as much in fc and zhen as say,sins,barbs,clerics,and archers)
I generalize because I've observed this happening more times than I could ever care to count. What would you prefer - an exhaustive list of every single thread made by someone begging for new classes? If I had a nickel for every time it happened, I could probably buy R9 (not that I'd want to).
And I generalize on FF abuse because it happens. It happens WAY too much, even on my server. During the month or two I played on Arch, I was literally told by multiple people that FF abuse (which included goon-glitching, at the time) was more common than legitimate leveling. And that's exactly what I observed there.
Don't give me the capitalism lecture. You'll only be the millionth person to ever use that line as justification for whatever arbitrary changes they want made.Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »also,to the heaven`s tear guy......your weak honestly..cause without cash shoppers like me,even the cash shoppers who purchase a small amount...YOU would not exist on this game,pwi would not exist,nothing would
the people who have the capacity to pay but dont because of some bogus high minded notion,are basically freeloading off of the money spent by cash shoppers,most of them who worked hard for the money irl
thats capitalism,you get your money,you can buy whatever ya want with it cause you earned that right
if you dont like capitalism,go to north korea,if you dont like north korea,go to detroit XD
PWI in particular has the gold system, meaning that without the F2P players buying up gold, the serious zen chargers would lose much of their motivation to charge. Everyone contributes. Everyone gets a say. And just look around you - PWE is NOT in any way hurting for cash, and they haven't been since 2009 (if they ever were to begin with). So don't act like the tiny population of Archosaur is the only thing standing between profitability and total collapse.
You want to talk about generalizations? How about this old chestnut: "assuming that the F2P player who takes issue with a high CS population doesn't understand their contributions to the game."[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Yes, I'm still a stubborn holdout in favor of the old game. Haters gonna hate. ;]
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Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »i got an 82 cleric i dont even have a sin or melee for that matter
my point is things were going decent save for the occasional gripe,and now this
also,to the heaven`s tear guy......your weak honestly..cause without cash shoppers like me,even the cash shoppers who purchase a small amount...YOU would not exist on this game,pwi would not exist,nothing would
the people who have the capacity to pay but dont because of some bogus high minded notion,are basically freeloading off of the money spent by cash shoppers,most of them who worked hard for the money irl
thats capitalism,you get your money,you can buy whatever ya want with it cause you earned that right
if you dont like capitalism,go to north korea,if you dont like north korea,go to detroit XD
and also to the heaven`s tear guy..i thougt we were over the capitalism vs whining communism debate
but we can go there if you like,i guarantee you you wont come out the same
nom nom nom, amunition against the qqer, nom nom nom
so where to begin
oh 1st off, dude if you got no aps's then don't complaign about an aps issue.
2 this is a free to play game, yes cash shopers help keep the server alive but have you seen sanctuary, dudes here probably throw 200-300 or more every month in the game and some, for each and every top cser on our server which theirs an entire 200 man faction full of em + more in other top factoins. and not to mention the other servers like say . . . . . lost city for example. if you think your all high and mighty because you cs then wtf, you need to go see a shrink.
hmm well that's a minor way to put that, so let's find the 2nd thing
this isn't a capitilism or a communism debate, it's a video game making a business decision whether it be smart or bad, and your automatically blaming the player base if they don't stand in line behind you, that's a superiority issue on your side right there, on top of the YOUR WEAK BECAUSE YOU DONT' CS YOU FREELOADER **** *not exact words but the jist of what you said*
theirs many many more to come if you decide to continue, lets see what other ammo you toss my way to have fun with, btw i'll be stalking your other threads you've posted in today too just for fun.
you wanna have a flame war, and get all hissy and pissy about something you haven't even experienced yet, then let the flame war begin. oh and btw I've got alot mroe experience then you do at this kiddo, so good luck.0 -
Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »no actually you are
i dont have one "as my main"...but yes i got around 8 characters actually,seeker,sin,archer,blademaster in addition,and some others
so this does infact effect me alot
Just because you have a plethora of nublet alts, doesn't make you effected-
By the time you ever get to endgame, you won't even notice there was in fact a change-
Remember how effective CC fix was? Ofcourse not- you wasnt there-re0 -
no seriously....unfortunately for a weak player like you haven`s tear guy,f2p players dont effect my decision to cash shop buy in the least...
and like i said before....generalizations are the product of an imperfect mind,because they always fail to ecapsulate the entirety of the problem
another thing is,f2p players,that dont cash shop cause of some high minded (and i must say flawed) notion,yet they have the capacity to buy....it wouldnt matter at all if they left...every last one of you whinning communists
you know what?**** it,i hope they do make more crazy changes like this,cause the more of you that rage quit cause your too stupid to join in the fray and ask for change...(notice the soulforce thing with new skills,that me and nyxau were talking bout in our threads on the sugegstion box forum,odd coicidence)
ask for change or you wont get it...part of my philosophy is "to stand still is to know death"0 -
They would rather release Perfect World 2 instead of fixing this game. Just think how cash shop based it would be.Mystic: 99 lvl (Main)
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ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »Just because you have a plethora of nublet alts, doesn't make you effected-
By the time you ever get to endgame, you won't even notice there was in fact a change-
Remember how effective CC fix was? Ofcourse not- you wasnt there-
i wasnt there,but it doesnt seem to have even a small % of bearing on whats going on know XD0 -
Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »i say we deserve compensation of some kind....personally i vote for a new race or something..BUT ONE THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT OP...yeah freakin right,like they could ever pull that off....perhaps something that less sunshine and butterflys?
ima make a poll ,but you guys come up with other ideas for us to be compensated with
I say that we deserve some kind of compensation for having to put up with all the jerk APS toons for the past 2 years.
Or compensation for all the hyper noobs....
Or compensation for the lack of bug fixes....
Or compensation for stupid threads like this....
I mean really...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Shayd - Raging Tide wrote: »They would rather release Perfect World 2 instead of fixing this game. Just think how cash shop based it would be.
i agree that the system needs better structure to get people going with the buying..its all kinda eggshells and landmines right now
we need something straightfoward,so it wont be crazy like it is now,balance is the word i think,,,
yes,a more balanced approach would do nicely0 -
Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »i wasnt there,but it doesnt seem to have even a small % of bearing on whats going on know XD
Actually for those that used it, had a huge impact- this little fix, is barelly noticable-
I see you are here just to hammer pointless, somewhat childish arguments, on a subject you seriously have no experience in-re0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »I say that we deserve some kind of compensation for having to put up with all the jerk APS toons for the past 2 years.
Or compensation for all the hyper noobs....
Or compensation for the lack of bug fixes....
Or compensation for stupid threads like this....
I mean really...
meybe a stupid thread,but stupid thread to respond to the stupidity of the people who run the game?yes i think thats in order0 -
ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »Actually for those that used it, had a huge impact- this little fix, is barelly noticable-
I see you are here just to hammer pointless, somewhat childish arguments, on a subject you seriously have no experience in-
no actually,its more like you dont have ANY relevent experience maka,your experience isnt relevent cause you cant seem to live in today`s world
and this fix you talk of,obviously doesnt mean anything right now...your like the sort of tree hugging kook that says we should go back to living in mud huts because its more noble somehow0 -
i live in todays world and make everyone hear it as much as possible XD
so its more like this....ill complain very loudly when something stupid is done maka (like this expansion) but ill adapt
and ill get the pleasure of watching your outdated,useless methodology crumbling into the ground,your char getting swallowed up by the tides (nice work of getting near the lvl cap btw,you should re roll and save yourself the trouble of watching other people have fun and make a new char)0 -
and this fix you talk of,obviously doesnt mean anything right now
And this current fix a month from now will be barelly even dicsussed- Living in the past? This update happened yesterday- Is now passed- Move on-re0 -
Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »no seriously....unfortunately for a weak player like you haven`s tear guy,f2p players dont effect my decision to cash shop buy in the least...
and like i said before....generalizations are the product of an imperfect mind,because they always fail to ecapsulate the entirety of the problem
another thing is,f2p players,that dont cash shop cause of some high minded (and i must say flawed) notion,yet they have the capacity to buy....it wouldnt matter at all if they left...every last one of you whinning communists
you know what?**** it,i hope they do make more crazy changes like this,cause the more of you that rage quit cause your too stupid to join in the fray and ask for change...(notice the soulforce thing with new skills,that me and nyxau were talking bout in our threads on the sugegstion box forum,odd coicidence)
ask for change or you wont get it...part of my philosophy is "to stand still is to know death"
dude can your common sence seriously lack that much, well ofc i knew it was possible but nefer thought I'd actually find somebody this pathetic
1, get over your high and mighty *** because i cs sh*t
2. your saying anybody who doesn't cs and is capable of it is trash essentially. how about your words before you say/type them out. for instance, some people have the common sence not to spend rl $ on virtual items and virtual gear that has nothing tangable what just to feed their ego, when it's much more satisfying to EARN it without spending money at all.
3. as for generalizations, dude most of what your saying is a generalization because you have no in game experience with what your talking about, so stick that in your pipe and smoke it
4. and as for f2p players like myself not effecting your spending decision then go ahead, keep the servers up. but cash shop to your hearts content, this is a game to chill and have fun with. not something ima throw money into but maby 10-20 bucks here and there for a luxury.0 -
++++++++++1111miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh Noes! A 5aps Sin Can Only Do 98x As Much Damage As A Non-aps Player, Not 100x! We Need Compensation!!
...seriously? >_>
Seekers Can't Even Reach 5aps, Or Anywhere Close. Could You At Least Read The Update Properly? -_-
Maybe Violet Dance Isn't designed For Normal Squad Play? It's Clearly Designed For A Cleric In Dd Capacity - Perhaps If There Are Two In The Squad And One Can Easily Handle The Healing Alone.
When You Get New Skills, You Adapt To Them And You Find Out where They're Useful. You Don't Qq About Them Not Being universally Useful.
That One Was Worded Wrong. No Veno Has Noticed Any Nerf. There's Even A Thread About It On This Board Today.
New Classes Are The Last Thing We Will Ever Need Again. All You Get From New Classes Is A Bunch Of Impatient Newbies Who Just Abuse Ff Up To Lv100 And Then Buy Endgame Gear. That Was The Content Of Our Last Two Expansions. I Realize On Your Server Ff Abuse Is Probably Very Common, But It May Surprise You To Learn That Some People Have More Dignity Than That.
I Love How Your Poll Just Consists Of Two Options That Basically Say The Same Thing.Sword Blademaster for life!
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Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »ok...well,ill restate what i stated in my other thread
a sin that does 40k dmg a second over 5 seconds,.would lose 2k dmg per second
over 2 minutes that would be a 240k point dmg point loss
over a reasonable lower boss-boss battle,,which is 10 minutes (atleast the one i saw in fc),that would be a 1.2 million dmg point loss
and this aint just effecting sins,5 aps archers,barbs,blademasters,maybe even the odd aps seeker.....this will efefct them alll
and it effects clerics too,cause being glass cannon,a cat sneeze could knockout my char,so i need the melee at the front lines
and the dmg loss i calculated is jsut for normal attack,i havent even begun to calculate what the loss will be with things like heaven`s flame,sparks,or other attack boosters,it will be even worse with the skills that hit big
not to mention the other things they did to pwi that were bad.....clerics MM mode disabling heals,cutting my already zilch hp to ribbons...and disabling our group buffs?I WAS JUST IN ZHEN LAST NIGHT,BB WAS THE CORNERSTONE OF THE SQUAD
venos fox form gettin nerfed....and most likely more nerfs are present and will be revealed once its found out
i say we deserve compensation of some kind....personally i vote for a new race or something..BUT ONE THAT IS BALANCED AND NOT OP...yeah freakin right,like they could ever pull that off....perhaps something that less sunshine and butterflys?
ima make a poll ,but you guys come up with other ideas for us to be compensated with
umm seekers can't get high enough aps to be effected since they are sword locked.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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