at this rate, pwi may die in a month

TheDendra - Harshlands wrote: »

Traz all yours posts have ignorant arguments that make no sense. Why don't you go do 1nirvana per hour and see how that goes? Seriously gtfo with that bs attitude how it's all good, *** if it's that good make aps classes take 45mins to do one nirvana and let's see how much they'll like that

I tested this with a none aps squad earlier...no matter how hard we tried we couldn't take 45minutes per run...and trust me we tried every stupid trick in the book we averaged around 20-25min. Hell I couldn't take 45 min in caster when half the squad was barb, BM and sin. Rather than all this pointless QQ about caster vana (I am pissed as well but come on this is what thread #2000.) Why not find another way to make money. Face it what we did in caster was a GLITCH so stop crying over your digital income and do something productive...maybe take a nice jog or a long walk off a short cliff

If you can't handle change than take Quilue's lovely suggestion "just uninstall and go swallow sadness by yourself" because we're sick and tired of ppl who only QQ on an online game. b:victory Have a nice day

Kerona - Sanctuary wrote: »

Another QQ thread from someone who doesn't know what they're talking about, sigh.

I think we're all just trolling for the post counts now xD

TheDendra - Harshlands wrote: »

Traz all yours posts have ignorant arguments that make no sense. Why don't you go do 1nirvana per hour and see how that goes? Seriously gtfo with that bs attitude how it's all good, *** if it's that good make aps classes take 45mins to do one nirvana and let's see how much they'll like that

Ran with 3 friends in nirvy last x2, was 2 sins (one g13 +12 and one r9+12) 2 bm (1 useing r9+12 and one useing +3 90 gold pole) sins had chill on.

Took us 20-25 min... if you cant run with a squad of casters in that time well then all i have to say is you need to start working on those refines or find a different game.

2. the aps nerf, once they fix it so that it's actually 20% miss chance regardless of accuracy like it was originally planned as, aps's will start leaving.
b:pleased

well imo ive been playign a few years now and i actually quite like the update. its something fresh.

the majority of people i have spoken to in game actually like it i dont think we should base the whole community of pwi on the whats said on forums cause lets all be honest....us forum members LUUURVE to complain. but in reality i think its quite a popular update. and EVERYONE always saysi ts dying but i dont think it is. ive been seeing these threads full fo messages of doom for like 3 years

the aps thing...emh its a balancing thing. as a 5aps archer myself i understand why they did it but i WOULD have been pissed if they nerfed it right down. no offense but some of us worked damn hard for our aps peopel who think we should be nerfed a LOT arent considering the fact that people worked hard for it and its not cheap. but im glad they did SOMETHING to balance it out.


the archer stealth thing...thats not cheap. imma have to do dailies for ever to get it and remember it does get knocked out of stealth if you spark or with blazing arrow it aint perfect by any stretch of the imagination and i think thats a good thing.

i dont think its dying

i think its evolving. and for the first time in a long time im actually interested to see what pwe do XD

they nerf caster vana due to them using the glitch..soooooo if you abuse..you lose..you know like ff and rb.

A talisman isnt ment jsut for the AA class.>ALL CAN GET THEM..so if it was ment jsut for a AA class THEN U CAN COMPLAIN.If you robes learn how to play as a squad im sure u can do regular nirv.So plz stop crying


and as for the new content..im not that intereseted.

Kairu_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. 90% of casters are pissed of very few caster vana's a day to aps's getting infinite *if they save keys, we can't save talismans*
98.4% of all percentages are made up on the spot.

2. the aps nerf, once they fix it so that it's actually 20% miss chance regardless of accuracy like it was originally planned as, aps's will start leaving.
20% acc is nothing. There's several rings that give +50% acc. Let me tell you from my archer, 2 misty's gave her more than enough acc that she could of lost 20% and still missed only once in awhile

3. archers with stealth lol, i just lol
So? In other games, Archers were made to see sins in stealth. Problem?
4. glitches - so many glitches, and the 1 they fix is the one that helped balance
I think that's a good fix.

so basicly . . . . . . . . all in all . . . . . .. . . . . including greed . . . . . . . .


1. nerf caster vana by limiting it so they get desparate and either charge, or make an apser
Nerf? Lmao, it was a glitch, just like Goons and they fixed it.

2. they finally fix the aps nerf to work properly so then they get pissed again and either leave or charge for r9.
Like I said the aps nerf isn't bad at all... Maybe if you people would stop wh0ring out the game with your 5aps, making squads that don't allow anyone less and **** all the instances so it's not fun anymore, they wouldn't have to do that.

3. i mean dude, one of the highest dmg range rapers in the game given stealth. sin was limited becasue their bad against many opponents, archers are good against many lol especially if they jump
Yeah because we can TOTALLY attack in stealth. Yeah. Maybe read the skills, stealth is good for a quick getaway, not gankfacerollingkeyboard like sins.

4. caster vana fixed, . . . . of all things they fix a casters income lol. so the same as #1, add on top of it the very large amount of errors and glitches that just come with the patch and client alone. on top of the very very large list of ones that NEED to be addressed, yet the only one they even fix is the one that gives casters a fighting chance.
Wut?

the list could go on endlessly, add to it if you wish, we can always use more reasons. but hey i may not be able to play pwi regardless so frankly idk anymore it doesn't seem like it's my problem no more

HAVE FUN CASTERS charging, or apsing with sin/bm since they keep ruining any chance we have at every turn, we get a chance they realize it and shut it down.

I actually love this update. There's nothing wrong with and it shows that the Devs are listening to us.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Nothing wrong with update? lololloloollob:chuckle

Well i mean in the sense of the things added, not the bugs that appeared, etc. The aps nerf, the fix to some skills, new skills, etc. Ofc I'm mad that they have sooo many things going wrong for people but don't take the time to help anyone, lol. But that's a given.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Skills fix. It should be done much, much more same nerf APS much much more to restore a little balance. I would say balance is not restored, even worse now. Time will show.

I agree they should of put more into the "balancing", but some is better than none, atleast it's a step in the direction people wanted it to go in (ofc not the aps characters)

Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide wrote: »

Casters have been complaining about APS for months on end now, they get what they want. APS has now been nerfed but in return they get a little something for them too. Its karma. And Dont say the nerf is small, I attempted to solo 3-2 (Which I have a success rate of 100% in this particular TT) and omg, charm **** left and right, Emperor even killed me once.

Casters are complaing about APS because they cannot earn money due to be unwanted in squads. That's all. Game in very much unbalanced in this way.

I bet some people would be singing a different tune if the drops for regular Nirvana were the same as caster and it had the same limitation that we are forced to deal with.

I did a run yesterday and wanted to punch people in the throat by the end of it. AD was nerfed and the 4th boss became a little more annoying. Our group was too squishy and needs to work on refines? Duh. I wouldn't be in Nirvana if I already had awesome gear with epic refines and shards... think about that for a minute.

Then there's the fact that 2x is on and the greedy people are definitely out and looking to **** people over. How the hell am I supposed to make money in there when all people ping are shards instead of uncannies? Bad luck is always a possibility, but one idiot admitted that he had safety lock on and that didn't make me feel too confident about 3/4 of the boxes supposedly having shards in them. I lost exp, my charm got ***** and I'm pretty sure people were stealing cannies. I know for a fact we lost a few drops at the end because some went to the idiot with safety lock on.

I only had three shots at Nirvana yesterday and that one didn't have very good results. I totally understand that every run isn't going to be epic, but come on... how is that fair? We do 3 runs like that and we are done for the day while APS people get to live in there 24/7 and continue to rake in massive piles of cash.

Telling us to shut up and do regular Nirvana with all casters is not a good solution to the problem. Some people would hardly break even after 30 mins (give or take) of constant charm ticks, pot usage and repairs. That's not farming. That's spinning your tires in the mud.

The devs either need to put limitations on both Nirvana instances or get rid of the limitation placed on casters. It's not fair to allow one group of players to make cash and give the other the finger.

The OP could be off by a month or two, but he's definitely right about the game dying soon. There are games coming out that are made by companies that want their games to be enjoyable. People will be flocking to those and this one will be a ghost town. It's what happens when games get old and the people in charge of keeping them enjoyable decide to give their players the finger instead.

TheDendra - Harshlands wrote: »

karma my a**, if you're going in that direction, then all the aps classes would magically lose hundreds of millions of coins that casters would randomly pick up on the world map because that's the amount of money every f** brainless aps noob can easily make thanks to 5min nirvana runs.

how is it ****** unfair that for once we had a way to make decent money and now it's back to usual - aps run 500 runs in a week, casters run...20? yep, sounds like a balanced pve aspect of the game right there.

Precisely, even though we may have 5-10 minute runs, in the end, we spent time on it. The coins didn't magically appear in our inventory. The build up to 5.0 APS was a harsh road for me and I was happy to finally accomplish it. Look at it from the dev's perspective, if they nerf APS, the APS will come complain about some casters. Next time casters, don't **** about worthless things like this or you're gonna get burned as well. b:bye

Foxy_Fiona - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I bet some people would be singing a different tune if the drops for regular Nirvana were the same as caster and it had the same limitation that we are forced to deal with.

I did a run yesterday and wanted to punch people in the throat by the end of it. AD was nerfed and the 4th boss became a little more annoying. Our group was too squishy and needs to work on refines? Duh. I wouldn't be in Nirvana if I already had awesome gear with epic refines and shards... think about that for a minute.

Then there's the fact that 2x is on and the greedy people are definitely out and looking to **** people over. How the hell am I supposed to make money in there when all people ping are shards instead of uncannies? Bad luck is always a possibility, but one idiot admitted that he had safety lock on and that didn't make me feel too confident about 3/4 of the boxes supposedly having shards in them. I lost exp, my charm got ***** and I'm pretty sure people were stealing cannies. I know for a fact we lost a few drops at the end because some went to the idiot with safety lock on.

I only had three shots at Nirvana yesterday and that one didn't have very good results. I totally understand that every run isn't going to be epic, but come on... how is that fair? We do 3 runs like that and we are done for the day while APS people get to live in there 24/7 and continue to rake in massive piles of cash.

Telling us to shut up and do regular Nirvana with all casters is not a good solution to the problem. Some people would hardly break even after 30 mins (give or take) of constant charm ticks, pot usage and repairs. That's not farming. That's spinning your tires in the mud.

The devs either need to put limitations on both Nirvana instances or get rid of the limitation placed on casters. It's not fair to allow one group of players to make cash and give the other the finger.

The OP could be off by a month or two, but he's definitely right about the game dying soon. There are games coming out that are made by companies that want their games to be enjoyable. People will be flocking to those and this one will be a ghost town. It's what happens when games get old and the people in charge of keeping them enjoyable decide to give their players the finger instead.

Just one quick question. How many if at all nirvana(non caster) squads have you formed?

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then again GMs said that the accuracy nerf is supposed to result in you missing 1 out of every 5 hits. So they would effectively be the same as 4.0. But add the -5% damage, and the 4.0 is actually superior.

Wonder if they'll fix it to work like that.

I really don't know ANYTHING about 4-5aps except that it basically broke any "Rainbow squads" really, so I can't say for one way or another to agree/disagree whatever, but wouldn't jones blessing make up for the -5% damage?

The only thing I dislike about caster nirvana is the time limit on the talisman. If i could hold talismans until the weekend when i actually have time to do the instance...it'd be a lot better. I understand the complaints that casters have but the thing is, now I see more often people having alts...and not just one of them. In order to combat the demands of squads, i made a rather large number of characters (see my signature) and someday plan to have em all leveled and geared to a certain extent. My purpose? To never have to hear 'we don't need a ____ we need a ____' Basically, instead of whining that everything needs to be fixed...try to adjust. Another thing we do in this world is adapt or fail. We have to be flexible lifelong learners if we are to succeed in life, why stick to one thing so much in this game? If we lose a job irl we seek another one, even if it's one we don't really like, we need SOMETHING.

Anyways, I know stuff needs to be fixed, but I can deal with most of it, a few minor adjustments to certain things would go a long way.