APS not nerfed after all?

Zaboteur - Harshlands · February 2012

Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Im not even sure I'd even call it a tweak in PvE if my accuracy math in the BM forums was correct. PvP it makes a definite difference however - sucks for 5.0 sins, zero issue to the rest of us.

4.0 vs 5.0 with the nerf means 4.0 is 16% dps behind 5.0, as opposed to the original 20%. They closed the gap by 4%.

And this is just math from the wiki and pwidatabase. Im looking forward to seeing if I can find a difference tonight.

Everyone panic.

Everyone panic.

biggest difference im gun a see is my Sin with all her Incomparable amber shardes pissin people off lol... just bein honest

Hexalot - Dreamweaver · February 2012

I don't get what's the big deal with testing to see if the nerf is true. Your stats screen shows your accuracy. Note your accuracy figure then close the screen. 5.0 spark, open screen and note the accuracy figure again. If there is no change, the nerf is a lie.

/thread.

Zaboteur - Harshlands · February 2012

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You're looking for meanings that aren't there. Or are you telling me that game developers observe arbitrary differences in meanings of random words as their own sort of lingo? And if so, are you also telling me that this same in-house lingo can magically reach us through poor translations of half-finished patch notes?

For reference:

as i said in my last statement... go try it first.. then ull be erasing that last post of yours.. its 4.0 period.. ive tryed it myself.. seen it. now u doit..

all i NEED to say.

Traz - Dreamweaver · February 2012

There is no difference in my damage from 4.0 base using windshield to 5.

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide · February 2012

Ok here is what I have found by testing my 4 aps base sage sin.

Before expansion I had 3916 accuracy (had all my stats written out in an excel file for reasons of my own that I don't feel like explaining - file was last up dated 1/27/12- and no gear changes since then)

After expansion i have 4012 accuracy??? (Yes that confuses me too, even relogged to look at it and double checked and no there are no buffs on me at all possible that i had a slight change from when i last updated or my screen was glitched when i last updated my file)

When I use windshield to go 5 aps my new accuracy is 3209.

Which is a drop of 803, 20% of 4012 is 802.4 guess they round up.

Moral of the story nerf is above 4 aps not 4 and 5, just 5

BerserkBeast - Sanctuary · February 2012

So anyone have a damage log with 3.33 / 4.00 difference... o.O

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · February 2012

ZoracGallant - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ok here is what I have found by testing my 4 aps base sage sin.

Before expansion I had 3916 accuracy (had all my stats written out in an excel file for reasons of my own that I don't feel like explaining - file was last up dated 1/27/12- and no gear changes since then)

After expansion i have 4012 accuracy??? (Yes that confuses me too, even relogged to look at it and double checked and no there are no buffs on me at all possible that i had a slight change from when i last updated or my screen was glitched when i last updated my file)

When I use windshield to go 5 aps my new accuracy is 3209.

Which is a drop of 803, 20% of 4012 is 802.4 guess they round up.

Moral of the story nerf is above 4 aps not 4 and 5, just 5

Ahh someone who actually observed something. I think it's sin only then b:chuckle

MerseDeska - Raging Tide · February 2012

When i spark on my sin and get 5 aps, my accuracy is still the same as non sparked which is 5262 accuracy.

I don't really feel any difference at all, but then again 5% less dmg is nothing imo.

Hollyyy - Lost City · February 2012

Attack Speed changes
Once a player surpasses 4.0 attack speed, whether passively or via a buff, they will incur a -5% damage penalty as well as a -20% accuracy penalty.

Quilue - Sanctuary · February 2012

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Has anyone been able to observe the advertised APS nerf? I tried gradually increasing my APS and didn't see any point at which my damage or accuracy decreased. Is the "APS nerf" sin-only perhaps?

shhhhHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Kastus - Raging Tide · February 2012

SoulRequiem - Sanctuary wrote: »

I just made a damage test on a mob
(I took a couple of screenshots at 4 and 5 aps)

4 aps average damage(Not counting critical attacks) = 1685,7
5 aps average daamge(Not counting critical attacks) = 1628,6

Full damage log:

(4 aps)
1677
1688
1792
1653
1648
1982
1752
1509
1603
1553
(10 attacks)

(5 aps)
1749
1601
1692
1614
1630
1548
1691
1504
(8 attacks - did 2 extra critical attacks so didn't count)

g13! lol

SoulRequiem - Sanctuary · February 2012

Kastus - Raging Tide wrote: »

g13! lol

lol you got a problem with that?

Northern - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Idk whats so hard about looking at you damage an accuracy while demon sparked and hitting 4.0 or lower. then close your character window an put back on the gear to hit 5.0 now triple spark an observe how it is lower. Or just go an try soloing something like 3-3 minister. It effects bms way more then sins , however it sucks really bad on my 5.0 weapon for sin....goood thing i have rank 9 one too.

It is actually rather extreme difference in healing from bp...enough that bosses who normally dont kill me did.

TheDan - Sanctuary · February 2012

I saw no damage or accuracy change from 4 -> 5aps on some of the quest bosses in the new map areas, then again I didn't bother to take any quantitative data. I thought it could have been an invisible debuff, but even with windshield to 5aps, my damage/accuracy stayed about the same.

Maybe the debuffs only apply in PvP? I only tested on PvE mobs...

Northern - Dreamweaver · February 2012

The "nerf" works just fine in tt or anywhere. If u open window write down accuracy. triple spark to 5.0 an open window...you accuracy will be 20% lower. On both bm an sin works just like it says.

It also seems like they made the bosses in tt 3-3 even more defensive an harder hitting both.

TheDan - Sanctuary · February 2012

Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The "nerf" works just fine in tt or anywhere. If u open window write down accuracy. triple spark to 5.0 an open window...you accuracy will be 20% lower. On both bm an sin works just like it says.

It also seems like they made the bosses in tt 3-3 even more defensive an harder hitting both.

It apparently didn't work in the new areas, but those were the only areas I looked. I had 4080 accuracy before and during spark,

Valirah - Sanctuary · February 2012

Standing in Arch, I saw no evidence of a damage or accuracy nerf when shifting between 3.33, 4.0 and 5.0 unsparked. Any minor changes that I saw in those values were from changes in Str or Dex as I was unequiping gear.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · February 2012

Is it based on server? DW and RT have this nerf, while other servers do not?

ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide · February 2012

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Is it based on server? DW and RT have this nerf, while other servers do not?

racism >_<

Kairu_ - Sanctuary · February 2012

see a few of you are simply forgetting that asterelle tested it with 2.22 2.5 2.86 3.33 4.0 AND 5.0. and considering it's asterelle i'm sure she made certain that her base damage *or sparked* STAYED THE SAME throught the test

for example, aps a mob with low dmg and high health such as the sea dragon. use it with say deicide's since it's got a high hp pool. 5.0 base if your a fully geared archer.

take off your rank cheset and poof your 3.33 base and you can test it on same dmg since rank chest for archer only gives dex which other then the crit % doesn't effect fists.

you can do the same thing with TT99 boots/bracers. since they give no str. and if ssionhe wanted to switch out the tome or lionheart ammy/belt, all she'd half to do is put on a chest or leggings, or an ammy/belt with alittle str/dex added to make up the difference, and voiala, problem ****** solved

all in all, asty has come to the conclusion that archers are unafected in any way. regardless of the aps and asty is no fool so chances are he's right.

reason this thread was made by him to see if it effected the other classes, and you all are getting into a sensless debate of how to go about it. are you just ****** stupid or something ???. theirs a limit to idiocy and i think you've crossed over it into the **** area.

edit: btw i made it to page 4, so anything past that may be exempt, idk i'm to lazy to read the rest.

ReMakaBo - Archosaur · February 2012

Northern - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Idk whats so hard about looking at you damage an accuracy while demon sparked and hitting 4.0 or lower. then close your character window an put back on the gear to hit 5.0 now triple spark an observe how it is lower. Or just go an try soloing something like 3-3 minister. It effects bms way more then sins , however it sucks really bad on my 5.0 weapon for sin....goood thing i have rank 9 one too.

It is actually rather extreme difference in healing from bp...enough that bosses who normally dont kill me did.

I said that like 4 pages ago- guess no one figured it out yet-

TheDan - Sanctuary · February 2012

ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »

I said that like 4 pages ago- guess no one figured it out yet-

We tested the character window; there was absolutely no change for some people so that's why there is a controversy about potentially hidden debuffs. I had 4080 accuracy at 3.33 unsparked, 4080 accuracy at 5.00 sparked, will upload some screenshots when I'm home from school.

Canadienne - Lost City · February 2012

i had no decrease in dmg from the character screen but from what i remember, dmg in frost was slightly less than when i usually do it. and im on lost city, so potentially some are affected in different ways, im 3.33 base aps demon sin, when sparked i obviously did not see any changes. only saw the minor change when dding bosses, which was only less dmg by like 200-400...kinda negligible (think i spelled that right)

in any case, it is there, but for some its not noticeable

RunningTiger - Dreamweaver · February 2012

The accuracy thing is super easy to see on the only ones I have tested are bm barb an sin. Thd dmg thing is harder to tell because of the gear you must remove to purposefully nerf your int. Aparently not everyones character window is functioning properly.

Stuff that used to take one spark at 5.0 now takes about 1 and 1/4 spark in the chi auto attack cycle.

genotypist · February 2012

Hey guys. I wanted to chime in with a clarification.

The APS damage and accuracy reduction is not reflected on your character panel. You will only see an appreciable change by checking your combat log below and above 4.0 APS.

Equip gear to get yourself to 4.0 aps and start attacking. You'll suddenly see a string of 'misses' roughly 20% of the time, on top of any innate miss chance you have. Sorry if this wasn't communicated better, but you will not be able to verify this feature by simply looking at your character screen.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · February 2012

genotypist wrote: »

Hey guys. I wanted to chime in with a clarification.

The APS damage and accuracy reduction is not reflected on your character panel. You will only see an appreciable change by checking your combat log below and above 4.0 APS.

Equip gear to get yourself to 4.0 aps and start attacking. You'll suddenly see a string of 'misses' roughly 20% of the time, on top of any innate miss chance you have. Sorry if this wasn't communicated better, but you will not be able to verify this feature by simply looking at your character screen.

Could you clearify if it's 5% of weapon damage (like all % damage that 's talked about in game) or of base damage?

scarfaceclaw · February 2012

Lets digets that, the changes are not shown in the char screen .... don't you think they should?

I suspect this "nerf" has been hastily and badly coded into the game.

By the sounds of it, the accuracy nerf doesnt actually lower anything.

All it does is add another variable to your attack so that you miss 20% of the time, or on average 1 attack in 5, regardless of your actual accuracy.

LyuKang - Sanctuary · February 2012

genotypist wrote: »

Hey guys. I wanted to chime in with a clarification.

The APS damage and accuracy reduction is not reflected on your character panel. You will only see an appreciable change by checking your combat log below and above 4.0 APS.

Equip gear to get yourself to 4.0 aps and start attacking. You'll suddenly see a string of 'misses' roughly 20% of the time, on top of any innate miss chance you have. Sorry if this wasn't communicated better, but you will not be able to verify this feature by simply looking at your character screen.

Your "amazing" nerf didn't do nothing special, ijs...

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Well the best way is to wait till coa event tonite an realize that you earn fewer pages.....

laloner · February 2012

At the risk of pointing out something obvious to you all, I know that when I am checking how weapon procs affect my stats I have to open the character info page while its procing. Meaning I can't open it and then watch the numbers change when the proc hits. I know if you leave the page open and change weapons it updates but when I'm testing weapon procs I have to open the page during the proc to see the new numbers. I'm not sure if its like this for all procs but I know its true for some I've checked on.

So maybe people need to open the character info page twice to see the difference and thats why some aren't seeing an accuracy change.

APS not nerfed after all?

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