Channelling needs a nerf too

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    and the ability of wizzies n archers to 1 hit sins ... thats completely fair then eh ? after all 1 hit is faster then 5 aps

    Don't think any sin with semi-decent gear can be one shot at all. If anything, they have better defenses than archers.
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    Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
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  • Daialura - Heavens Tear
    Daialura - Heavens Tear Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    ... fact is . if you TRUELY know how to pvp ... then your survival rate would actually be based on cooldowns ... not aps

    As a Cleric, my survival rate has never relied on APS. b:chuckle
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    And still too squishy...
  • Sneasel - Harshlands
    Sneasel - Harshlands Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Daialura - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I've hit for 40k damage on a level 70 Sin and they didn't die because of Deaden Nerves.

    I've cast 3 sparked > White Tea > Tempest on a Sin with Focused Mind for a whopping 1 damage crit.

    We can't one shot what we can't see.

    many times i have had deaden nerves on as well as focused mind with a charm .. and still get 1 hit ( technically it could be considered couple hits ) by aoes ... barrage for example , that dragon skill by wizzies .. deals 2 damages and they register as seperates cause they 1 hit too .... as for cant see ... detect pots ... and aoe .. be in squad .. have at least 2 peeps aoeing area on mobs or other players ... you are gonna hit stealthed players ( barbs are nasty for that as they need no target for their 79 aoe )

    as for your attacks .. you are cleric ... your "disability" has been corrected with update with you power switch skill ... lose healing to be a nuke ..
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  • Daialura - Heavens Tear
    Daialura - Heavens Tear Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    as for your attacks .. you are cleric ... your "disability" has been corrected with update with you power switch skill ... lose healing to be a nuke ..

    So now I'll hit for 50k damage on a level 70 Sin and they won't die because of Deaden Nerves.

    I'll cast 3 sparked > White Tea > Tempest on a Sin with Focused Mind for a whopping 1 damage crit.

    I still can't one shot what I can't see.
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    many times i have had deaden nerves on as well as focused mind with a charm .. and still get 1 hit ( technically it could be considered couple hits ) by aoes ... barrage for example
    Many shots is not a one shot...
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    .... as for cant see ... detect pots ... and aoe .. be in squad .. have at least 2 peeps aoeing area on mobs or other players ... you are gonna hit stealthed players ( barbs are nasty for that as they need no target for their 79 aoe )

    So you're saying I need a squad of people to handle one Sin in stealth? You're right, you win, that's totally not OP.b:laugh
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    And still too squishy...
  • Sneasel - Harshlands
    Sneasel - Harshlands Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Daialura - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So now I'll hit for 50k damage on a level 70 Sin and they won't die because of Deaden Nerves.

    I'll cast 3 sparked > White Tea > Tempest on a Sin with Focused Mind for a whopping 1 damage crit.

    I still can't one shot what I can't see.


    Many shots is not a one shot...



    So you're saying I need a squad of people to handle one Sin in stealth? You're right, that's totally not OP.b:laugh

    no . saying if you are doing pvp ... there is bound to be MANY sins ... easy way to find them is with squad .. otherwise DETECTION pots ... no sin is truely safe in stealth from another class other then sins ( same lvl )

    and granted it may not be a true 1 hit but it came from a single attack which in most circles counts as a 1 hit ....


    a sin finishes a pvp .. his skills are still in cooldown unless pvp took long time .. shucks .. deaden nerves was used already ... guess that doesnt work .. focused mind lasts less then a min ... and dont see many if any sins rebuffin during pvp ....

    only true POSSIBLE threat would be a fresh sin with all skills ready and genie fully charged ... but hey .. same can be said for most classses

    cooldown is the issue for pvp can only do so much while skills , pots and genie s are in cooldown .. making ANY class easy target
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  • Daialura - Heavens Tear
    Daialura - Heavens Tear Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    cooldown is the issue for pvp can only do so much while skills , pots and genie s are in cooldown .. making ANY class easy target

    Tell you what, the moment I can force stealth when the rest of my skills are in cooldown, I'll get back to ya. b:victory
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    And still too squishy...
  • Sneasel - Harshlands
    Sneasel - Harshlands Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    force stealth is a joke ... it has a huge cooldown .. and can be interupted and also cast your attack while sin is trying to stealth .. guess what ... still hits them and they can die whilst in stealth from that launched attack .. sounds seriously like you truely dont have much pvp skill ..

    sin force stealths .. you use DETECTION POT ... oh looky there .. a stealthed sin *NUKED* ...

    wheres the problem

    if you or your comp is too slow .. dont QQ bout sins being OP and force stealth .. have seen alot of sins die while stealthing or right after cause the caster they are pvpin with actually knows how to play their toon

    to QQ about sins is to admit to being a pvp nub .. seriously .. should switch to a pve server
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  • Daialura - Heavens Tear
    Daialura - Heavens Tear Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    force stealth is a joke ... it has a huge cooldown .. and can be interupted and also cast your attack while sin is trying to stealth .. guess what ... still hits them and they can die whilst in stealth from that launched attack
    Done that once or twice. Always a laugh. b:chuckle
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    .. sounds seriously like you truely dont have much pvp skill ..
    Roll a Sin on HT and come get some.
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    sin force stealths .. you use DETECTION POT ... oh looky there .. a stealthed sin *NUKED* ...

    wheres the problem
    Sin is level 102, b:shocked oh noes, I still can't see them.. b:surrender
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    if you or your comp is too slow ..
    Me: Only before my coffee. Rarely PK before then anyway.
    Comp: Intel i7 quad, solid state drives, 16GB RAM, dual video cards. Nope.
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    to QQ about sins is to admit to being a pvp nub
    In other areas of comparison that are totally unrelated:
    Global average temperature vs. number of pirates
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    .. seriously .. should switch to a pve server
    *looks at forum avatar*
    *poof* Done! Thanks for the suggestion!
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    And still too squishy...
  • fearstrike
    fearstrike Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    <_< Yeah max chan needs to be -20 obviously >_>
  • Sneasel - Harshlands
    Sneasel - Harshlands Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Daialura - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Done that once or twice. Always a laugh. b:chuckle


    Roll a Sin on HT and come get some.


    Sin is level 102, b:shocked oh noes, I still can't see them.. b:surrender


    Me: Only before my coffee. Rarely PK before then anyway.
    Comp: Intel i7 quad, solid state drives, 16GB RAM, dual video cards. Nope.


    In other areas of comparison that are totally unrelated:
    Global average temperature vs. number of pirates


    *looks at forum avatar*
    *poof* Done! Thanks for the suggestion!

    unrelated ?? of course its related ..you are completely attacking sins saying they are so OP ... i am showing how they are not .. COUNTLESS people have easily killed sim lvl if not higher lvl sins ..
    yet you are QQing .. it shows you have no idea what you are doing in pvp ... you think its a cannon shoot .. just point and click ..
    well its not ... it takes actual thinkin and skill .... which you clearly lack .... ya so a sin can stun from stealth .. ever hear of Absolute Domain .. a very nifty genie skill that works while stunned .. its a tactic commmonly used by pretty much every pvper

    you throw nonscence into a convo to throw people off from realizing you know absolutely nothing about the subject at hand ..
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  • Daialura - Heavens Tear
    Daialura - Heavens Tear Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    you are QQing ..
    Not QQing, I love playing on my Sin, but they are OP. It's well known by now. As soon as you show me another class soloing Harpy Wraith, I'll retract my statement in full.
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    it shows you have no idea what you are doing in pvp
    Do I know you? No? Guess you wouldn't know my capabilities in PVP then. Again, fight me and find out for yourself. b:cute
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    you think its a cannon shoot .. just point and click
    Nope. I don't think it's a pirate ship game.
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    it takes actual thinkin and skill .... which you clearly lack
    Are you sure I don't know you? You sure seem to think you know me. Huh, weird...
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    you know absolutely nothing about the subject at hand ..
    The subject at hand is that channeling needs to be nerfed, which it doesn't. Then you and I hijacked the thread talking about Sins. That pretty much sums it up. b:surrender

    Anyway, I'm done. Have fun. Hope to see you on HT. =)
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    And still too squishy...
  • Oishii - Dreamweaver
    Oishii - Dreamweaver Posts: 243 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    .. it has a huge cooldown .. and can be interupted

    you say that like magic classes don't have cool down times and can't be interrupted...
    Pretty sure while someone is casting a sin has enough time to spark and smack them to either kill or interrupt channeling. Most sins don't use their actual skills anyway. If you are a sin that uses skills, good for you...

    Let me tell you,I also have a ton of detection pots to waste every few minutes looking for a sin to smack. Yeah..ok..then..not really.
  • Cavorex - Raging Tide
    Cavorex - Raging Tide Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I think i speak for everyone when i say this TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL thread. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH.

    seriously we need to discuss this every time someone says aps nerf or chan nerf. get over it. lol yeah you lost 5% damage big freaking deal. tell you what when all those big strong APS squads start treating casters the same then you can start complaining. and TBH APS squads don't treat us the same. EVER.
  • Cavorex - Raging Tide
    Cavorex - Raging Tide Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    oh and before i forget, do us all the favor and learn how to play your classes, when you power lvl from 1 to 100 and get 1 demon skill having all the rest at lvl 1 it doesn't make you pro.

    BM Role= punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch HF punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punchpunch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch HF(if we're lucky).


    Sin Role lately= Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut .


    do we see a repetition??????
  • Sneasel - Harshlands
    Sneasel - Harshlands Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Cavorex - Raging Tide wrote: »
    oh and before i forget, do us all the favor and learn how to play your classes, when you power lvl from 1 to 100 and get 1 demon skill having all the rest at lvl 1 it doesn't make you pro.

    BM Role= punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch HF punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punchpunch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch punch HF(if we're lucky).


    Sin Role lately= Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut Demon Spark cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut cut .


    do we see a repetition??????

    <--- is sage .. was 3rd on HL server ... and lvld the old fashion way .. hard work ... yes 5 aps , and use my skills diligently cause i took the time to learn my toon as i did with my barb , psy , archer n wiz
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  • Daialura - Heavens Tear
    Daialura - Heavens Tear Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Yep. Sins aren't OP, not one little bit.

    ...I'll just leave this here...
    Totally not OP Sin
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    And still too squishy...
  • Atonements - Raging Tide
    Atonements - Raging Tide Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    APS QQ > -chan QQ
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    Bored. b:lipcurl
  • Elronia - Heavens Tear
    Elronia - Heavens Tear Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Tell you what. Lets all us casters delete ourselves an make sins and BM's so we can all be same.

    This has to be a joke troll thread.
  • GallaxXIII - Sanctuary
    GallaxXIII - Sanctuary Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    simple. you built tank. you have no power vs players.

    just. hit faster/ harder.

    remember damage multiplier = str/150 +1 +mastery + buffs

    the more vit ya got, the less damage you do.
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  • Torva_Avune - Archosaur
    Torva_Avune - Archosaur Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    not quite the case,vit amount doesnt effect damage....it merely means in adding vit you have less stat points to put towards damage

    :/ and considering the nice variety of expensive gears and refines and the like,im not too sure a whole lot of it matters
  • TCHP - Lost City
    TCHP - Lost City Posts: 577 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Sneasel - Harshlands wrote: »
    unrelated ?? of course its related ..you are completely attacking sins saying they are so OP ... i am showing how they are not .. COUNTLESS people have easily killed sim lvl if not higher lvl sins ..
    yet you are QQing .. it shows you have no idea what you are doing in pvp ... you think its a cannon shoot .. just point and click ..
    well its not ... it takes actual thinkin and skill .... which you clearly lack .... ya so a sin can stun from stealth .. ever hear of Absolute Domain .. a very nifty genie skill that works while stunned .. its a tactic commmonly used by pretty much every pvper

    you throw nonscence into a convo to throw people off from realizing you know absolutely nothing about the subject at hand ..

    I only took sin has an example, you guys read way to much. To be honest I do not care about them being 5 APS. Fine for them, I can play my own sin if I wanted to. But I'm a cleric.

    Yes I use AD in pvp, it almost the only defense I can get to have time to do a skill vs a sin. Still I only win 1 in 10 times.

    But this is not the topic, the topic is about dropping channel. I haven't read 1 good argument that indicate why channel need to be nerf.



    Now, to compensate all the millions of coins and/or days the APSers spent on getting their gear together, I think we should nerf channelling too.

    What about all the millions of coins spend on gathering channel gear and the time caster class spend on farming to.

    Why would casters, that kill people from wayyy over there with really hax damage, would have the advantage of hitting like a train without the downside of having APS people fisting them to death ?

    Why would physical class, that kill people from way over here whit realy low but fast damage would have the advantage of hitting like a horde of gazelle running over u without the downside of having Channel people incinerating them from far away ?

    Now even for PvE it would be good : no more aggro stealing from barbs to psychics

    What about the agroo steal from bm and sin and archer and wizard, hell even has a cleric I stole agroo from a lv 99 sin in bh89. Yes channel help but it also has to do whit gear, refining and skill power.

    and the ability of wizzies n archers to 1 hit sins ... thats completely fair then eh ? after all 1 hit is faster then 5 aps

    Sin have stealth, but the wiz and archer were made to 1 shot people it's there edge. Sure EA can use 4 aps it'S there way to go around the problem or range reduction damage they have. Like Veno have nix that bleed trough your Armour, like Psy have a shiled base on there refining ... etc etc

    It would be okay with me too except that I was using that as an analogy to equate how we are on par with bow archers damage wise but not 5.0 apsers in PvE. Our added damage does not add enough to equal us out in PvE thus making it difficult to get into instances that aren't RB or Caster. 5.0's build chi way too fast to allow us to compete with them. Give spark a CD of 20 seconds and I think it would be about equal :P

    Humm 20 sec cool down idk, but the chi gain could go down base on the aps. Like when if your 4 aps, then the chi u again is divided by 2, slowing down the use of 3 spark. The spark also has other hability, like purify and immunity that u would need. The cool down would kill the benefit of that.

    sin force stealths .. you use DETECTION POT ... oh looky there .. a stealthed sin *NUKED* ...

    Detection pot to my knowledge come from the Theater of blood and they sell at 100k a pot or more. There not easy to get for free unless your a big CSER or have some luck in the end. Then they need a quest entry spot and have a 2 minute cool down. Unless you run in a random pker, Here on Lost City in the pvp area were people fight all the time, there is rarely 1 sin alone. Unless hes like R9 +12 and kills every thing that moves out of SZ. easy to say to 1 shot a sin but it's not easy to do. BUT it's doable in some case
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