Again End game Gear Question xD

Aewyn - Raging Tide
Aewyn - Raging Tide Posts: 9 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Archer
Hello

Would like your views on these constructions. I would appreciate it very much.

Claw-Build: which is better?
http://pwcalc.com/a79e4e970bc221a2
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http://pwcalc.com/c5a1656c6cfc4c64


I do not want to spend my money on something useless xD

To use my bow I just plan to change the robe for a interval cape.


Any suggestions are welcome
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Neither is endgame.
  • Aquireis - Lost City
    Aquireis - Lost City Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Neither is endgame.

    it may not be endgame for you but for her it might be.


    As for those two sets I think the first one is the better choice between the two really. If you go for switching out a cape for one with int. you should look into getting some nv fists then. they might take some time to farm but they would be really good have.
    All generalizations are false, including this one.
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Aquireis - Lost City wrote: »
    it may not be endgame for you but for her it might be.


    As for those two sets I think the first one is the better choice between the two really. If you go for switching out a cape for one with int. you should look into getting some nv fists then. they might take some time to farm but they would be really good have.

    Look at the ring and tell me it's endgame for anyone.
  • Aquireis - Lost City
    Aquireis - Lost City Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Look at the ring and tell me it's endgame for anyone.

    its endgame for anyone. there I told you what you wanted
    All generalizations are false, including this one.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Damn it, pwcalc is down again (or at least it is for me). What was this so-offensive ring, exactly? XD
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  • Aquireis - Lost City
    Aquireis - Lost City Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I forget what the ring was and PWcalc isn't loading for me either so I am guessing its down again.
    All generalizations are false, including this one.
  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Damn it, pwcalc is down again (or at least it is for me). What was this so-offensive ring, exactly? XD

    same. i'm highly curious now. lol
  • Aquireis - Lost City
    Aquireis - Lost City Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    maybe they are adding some more of the new gear in or fixing the stats on it.
    All generalizations are false, including this one.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Meh, I bet the ring was just Misty or Heavenly Lord or something and Hurrdurr was basically saying "Lunar Ring or GTFO." XD
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Meh, I bet the ring was just Misty or Heavenly Lord or something and Hurrdurr was basically saying "Lunar Ring or GTFO." XD

    Heavenly Bandit. That's not an endgame ring. It has neither crit nor 50% accuracy bonus.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Heavenly Bandit. That's not an endgame ring. It has neither crit nor 50% accuracy bonus.
    Wth is "Heavenly Bandit?" XD Unless you mean Band from Heaven's Jail, which quite a few people use for endgame thanks to its base-stat boosts.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wth is "Heavenly Bandit?" XD Unless you mean Band from Heaven's Jail, which quite a few people use for endgame thanks to its base-stat boosts.

    The ring's so worthless I don't bother remembering it.

    If by endgame you mean 'average geared at level 100' then sure it's it's an endgame ring. If you define endgame as 'the point where all my gears have very little improvements that I could make' then it's not endgame by any means. I would say even R8 ring is superior, and I wouldn't really count R8 as a true endgame ring due to the unrefineable nature.
  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    The ring's so worthless I don't bother remembering it.

    If by endgame you mean 'average geared at level 100' then sure it's it's an endgame ring. If you define endgame as 'the point where all my gears have very little improvements that I could make' then it's not endgame by any means. I would say even R8 ring is superior, and I wouldn't really count R8 as a true endgame ring due to the unrefineable nature.
    Lmao, just checked the builds because pwcalc is back now. It's a Band from Heaven's Jail.

    In which case, I'll have to echo Aquireis's comment. It's endgame for anyyone. :P
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Aquireis - Lost City wrote: »
    it may not be endgame for you but for her it might be.

    lol... so this is why people with "end game" gear gets one shotted by people with "****" gear. i completely understand now.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lmao, just checked the builds because pwcalc is back now. It's a Band from Heaven's Jail.

    In which case, I'll have to echo Aquireis's comment. It's endgame for anyyone. :P

    All the undergeared archers agree 97 mold ring is endgame.
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol... so this is why people with "end game" gear gets one shotted by people with "****" gear. i completely understand now.

    Both R9 archers disagree.

    Are you guys saying 97 mold is endgame to justify your own gears?
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I think it's "endgame" in the sense you can do "endgame" instances with it. I'd go with the second set since that has more overlap with normal setup with a bow.
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  • I_Snipe - Lost City
    I_Snipe - Lost City Posts: 451 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Since the OP posted a Claw-build, I would think that Band from Heaven's Jail would be a reasonable and useful endgame ring, considering that most Claw-builds are mainly focused on PvE.

    It provides a high PAtk that is only rivaled by that of Gold Lunar "Mold" Ring, R8, and R9 Ring. Elena posted a Ring comparison using fists and the 97 Mold ring ranks 3rd, followed closely behind by Sky Cover. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=937062

    Extra accuracy is useful, but not necessary since we already have relatively high accuracy vs PvE.

    However Boogs, you make a valid point once the user switches to their Bow.
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think it's "endgame" in the sense you can do "endgame" instances with it. I'd go with the second set since that has more overlap with normal setup with a bow.

    You can go FB99 with TT90. Hell you can probably do it in TT80 gold with decent refines. Endgame is defined to be the ultimate or the best gears/final levels in a video game.

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=EndGame

    **Edit - @I_Snipe Really who cares about a few points of PvE damage. Any squad that takes you is more likely to judge your by your fist/claw refine than your ring. However using that ring gimps your PvP potential as you lack accuracy from the missing 50% bonus as well as ~40 dex points from being 'fist build'. on top on that you lose 3% crit and quite a bit of defence (refine and add-on) you would get it you were to use Lunar ring.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    That's a pretty narrow definition. As far as I know there is no 105 archer in full r9 recast+12 JoSD with double +22dex ring engravings. I guess none of us are endgame b:cry
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's a pretty narrow definition. As far as I know there is no 105 archer in full r9 recast+12 JoSD with double +22dex ring engravings. I guess none of us are endgame b:cry

    Well no but I believe that definition which is applied generally to video games is a lot closer to the PWI definition than mere 'equipment needed to complete 'endgame' instances...

    If you truly believed in what you said in the post above why do you list G11/12 Gems as Endgame and G12 Saph/Cit/Gar/Creation Stones as 'Super Endgame'? Surely you don't need G11 sharding to complete 'endgame' instances.

    **edit - isn't double +2 attack levels a better engraving than +11 dex twice?
  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think it's "endgame" in the sense you can do "endgame" instances with it. I'd go with the second set since that has more overlap with normal setup with a bow.

    i think i can do all "endgame" instances with my green tt90 armor set... but i don't consider that gear anywhere near endgame. i see end game gear as best obtainable with reasonable effort. currently that would be defined as full r9, nirv helm/cape or equivalent, 2nd stage neck, public quest ring/r9 ring. each refined to +10 or better with weapon at +12... with at least 10k hp for light armor.
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    **edit - isn't double +2 attack levels a better engraving than +11 dex twice?

    no. assuming an r9 archer... each dex is going to give roughly 40 raw p.atk. 11 dex is like having 440 more attack. and considering any r9 archer is going to have ~100 attack levels... that 440 p.atk is going to become 880 pve p.atk. +2 attack levels only modifies your base attack level... assuming an average 20k p.atk for r9... thats only 400 more attack adds.
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  • Vindis - Dreamweaver
    Vindis - Dreamweaver Posts: 614 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i think i can do all "endgame" instances with my green tt90 armor set... but i don't consider that gear anywhere near endgame. i see end game gear as best obtainable with reasonable effort. currently that would be defined as full r9, nirv helm/cape or equivalent, 2nd stage neck, public quest ring/r9 ring. each refined to +10 or better with weapon at +12... with at least 10k hp for light armor.



    no. assuming an r9 archer... each dex is going to give roughly 40 raw p.atk. 11 dex is like having 440 more attack. and considering any r9 archer is going to have ~100 attack levels... that 440 p.atk is going to become 880 pve p.atk. +2 attack levels only modifies your base attack level... assuming an average 20k p.atk for r9... thats only 400 more attack adds.

    You forgot the 2% crit that the extra dex would add. 2(11 x 2) rings, 44 dex. Pretty sweet.
    Aewyn - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I do not want to spend my money on something useless xD

    Also, why the deicides? Why not just r9+12 Bow and be done with it since that is going to out DD basically everything and will be far more beneficial for PvP. Blood Vow, 3 spark Frenzy+EP, DD, Awaken, 3 spark, Frenzy.

    On Band of Heaven's Jail: Hey, you guys, stop trying to ruin one of my primary merching items. I used to make and sell 5-10 +3/4 Bands for like 1.5-3mil just off of BH Mirages, that is until DW playerbase caught on that the ring sucks/too many people copied my idea. Srsly though, that ring is the tell tale sign of a clawrcher since its fairly useless to anyone else (the stat adds could be mostly made up by engraving a ring that actually holds worth; i.e SoF: C, SoES, even Misty would be preferable in my book, but certainly not end game).

    And why didn't anyone comment on how the ornaments aren't end game? Where is the cube neck and warsong belt?
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Vindis - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    And why didn't anyone comment on how the ornaments aren't end game? Where is the cube neck and warsong belt?

    full r9 includes belt. stage 2 neck is implied as stage 2 cube neck.
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