wanna know how to bring a singularity into pwi? try this :D

Torva_Avune - Archosaur · February 2012

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/920/rbbbyataghan.jpg

during an fc run,one cleric did blue bubble for healing,i did red bubble for the whole gamut of attack buffs,and a seeker did vortex,we were all in the same spot and another seeker kept luring mob groups into the singularity

nifty huh?

Futurelord - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/920/rbbbyataghan.jpg

during an fc run,one cleric did blue bubble for healing,i did red bubble for the whole gamut of attack buffs,and a seeker did vortex,we were all in the same spot and another seeker kept luring mob groups into the singularity

nifty huh?

Why does this say your forum join date is February 2012 and you have already gotten over 20 post counts?

Besides that matter, Do a lookup on the word "Zhenning" "Zhen Squads" "Zhen"

Its basically what you did except it used to be done with wizards using dragons breath and archers using barrage of arrows. Very old school.

Bubbles - Morai · February 2012

Yawn...

People used to have clerics and archers and wizards zhenning all day long

pretty colors everywhere

Eccii - Raging Tide · February 2012

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why does this say your forum join date is February 2012 and you have already gotten over 20 post counts?

February started 9 days ago.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Eccii - Raging Tide wrote: »

February started 9 days ago.

Maybe i'm just one of those rare people that only comments on something when it matters. (Note my forum join date and post count vs your own)

bearishidonteven · February 2012

news .

Sympathi - Archosaur · February 2012

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why does this say your forum join date is February 2012 and you have already gotten over 20 post counts?

Besides that matter, Do a lookup on the word "Zhenning" "Zhen Squads" "Zhen"

Its basically what you did except it used to be done with wizards using dragons breath and archers using barrage of arrows. Very old school.

Genuine new players are new players. Just because us lot who've played since OB and know what zhen is know what a zhen is, doesn't mean we should mock people on them only just finding out.

b:surrender

snufalufaguss · February 2012

I remember when I first discovered the art of zhen. Then I discovered the art of zen and it was all downhill from there. I still enjoy a good ol' zhen though.

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

Genuine new players are new players. Just because us lot who've played since OB and know what zhen is know what a zhen is, doesn't mean we should mock people on them only just finding out.

b:surrender

I wish they could invent a virtual 8itch slap or something so I can be slapping all these forum ppl who mock new folks. They will probably go crying to them mom then since they are most likely still in the same house.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

Genuine new players are new players. Just because us lot who've played since OB and know what zhen is know what a zhen is, doesn't mean we should mock people on them only just finding out.

b:surrender

I can understand this but lets look at this 2 other ways. One, only someone under the age of Adulthood(assuming logical thinking can be combined with the word) would assume they have discovered something completely new in a game this old. 2, did no one else bother to tell him/her what zhenning is before coming to the forums? Shame on them, I would never leave a faction mate/ random new person in squad I've never seen before go on without learning a thing or two. That is...assuming they arnt one of those "No thanks, I don't need you to teach me" (Then show up an hour/day/month later asking how to do the very thing I wanted to teach them)

Then again I shouldn't assume things. Bad Future Bad!

snufalufaguss wrote: »

I remember when I first discovered the art of zhen. Then I discovered the art of zen and it was all downhill from there. I still enjoy a good ol' zhen though.

I wish they could invent a virtual 8itch slap or something so I can be slapping all these forum ppl who mock new folks. They will probably go crying to them mom then since they are most likely still in the same house.

I did not mock her/him. I just pointed out (In a semi mocking manner) that the thing she did has been done before and even has a name. Hey now he/she knows the name!

Edit: (Looks at screenshot again) I sure hope she/he puts Ironheart in their quickbar within the next 48 hours...

Zanryu - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Future... y u mad bro?

Jacerai - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/920/rbbbyataghan.jpg

during an fc run,one cleric did blue bubble for healing,i did red bubble for the whole gamut of attack buffs,and a seeker did vortex,we were all in the same spot and another seeker kept luring mob groups into the singularity

nifty huh?

Am I the only one who sets up her skill bar so that she can see all her skills?

It may crowd things a bit, but I get things done?

That's off-topic a bit. Try this out of the instance and on the open map/OHT maps/etc and you get the shiny shiny DQs too. b:cute

StormHydra - Sanctuary · February 2012

Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Am I the only one who sets up her skill bar so that she can see all her skills? It may crowd things a bit, but I get things done?

That's off-topic a bit. Try this out of the instance and on the open map/OHT maps/etc and you get the shiny shiny DQs too. b:cute

Actually, the OP is the first screenshot I've seen where they don't show all their skills and instead cycle through them using ~ and use hotkeys instead of clicking.

I always cycle through them with ~ and use hotkeys. I Prefer using my mouse for camera/aiming/selecting etc (Blame FPS games for that)

@OP. Try this outside, with a barb running around luring mobs into your AoEs.

EDIT: Lol thread derail because of skillbar posiitons.

Futurelord - Dreamweaver · February 2012

StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Actually, the OP is the first screenshot I've seen where they don't show all their skills and instead cycle through them using ~ and use hotkeys instead of clicking.

I always cycle through them with ~ and use hotkeys. I Prefer using my mouse for camera/aiming/selecting etc (Blame FPS games for that)

@OP. Try this outside, with a barb running around luring mobs into your AoEs.

Clerics have to have access to every one of their skills, from shields to heals to debuffs to buffs. We are one of few classes who uses ALL of them. (Minus RB, they should tweak that skill a little) Thus switching between quickbars will slow down reaction time.

What I do however is line them up based on how why and when I would use them. I got all my heals on one line simply cause my mouse is gonna be in that area most of the time anyway. I also have revive and a macro to auto buff because you tend to use those skills right after someone die. (then heal them)

For my very first bar I got sleep with plumeshell right below it, guardian light above sleep, and wings of protection right beside guardian light on the 2nd bar. Aka Defense setup.

You see where i'm going with this. Optimize performance by thinking ahead.

Torva_Avune - Archosaur · February 2012

i use alot of macros fer me skills

f1= weild thunder,plume shot,great cyclone,razor feathers,self repeating
f2= wellspring surge,ironheart blessing,self repeating
f3= celestial guardian`s seal,vanguard spirit,spirit`s gift,magic shell

f4 i did up with weild thunder,sometimes im hunting low lvl mons and need a good cannon button

f5 i did up with tempest...given that it`s a two spark skill,and it takes me abit to build up the chi i need for it,i figured the button approach was best

f6 is siren`s kiss,only ever use that for fc heads

f7,used for heaven`s wrath,hence rb

i use the 1 key for healin pots,the 2 key for mana pots,and the 3 key for plume shell,the 4 key for revive,and the 5 key for purify

the other keys i just use for random things like oracles sometimes

and sometimes i switch razor feathers for my f1 macro temporarily if i just need to do some easy AoE

hows that for planning ahead person that posted before me

,

( also use platinum charms constantly....so there is very little need to stack IH myself...it wouldnt matter anyways im pure magic build,with 60 str for all weapons up to the highest,mighta been off by afew points plus or minus on the str though,also the reason why i havent put anything into debuffs yet,is cause i dont pvp at all much,and i favor just plain killing over jests and tricks in pve...its fairly easy for me to get help with bosses if i need....so i have no reason to put points into debuffs...maybe in the future once pvp is more relevent to me,or when im actually a high enough lvl to kill bosses,maybe ill restat for some more vit later on)

Paikea_ - Archosaur · February 2012

Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/920/rbbbyataghan.jpg

during an fc run,one cleric did blue bubble for healing,i did red bubble for the whole gamut of attack buffs,and a seeker did vortex,we were all in the same spot and another seeker kept luring mob groups into the singularity

nifty huh?

this looks like a normal fc pull to me minus the presence of 2 clerics one for rb and one for bb...o_O

Ajiuo - Harshlands · February 2012

Is it just me, or is Futurelord sounding more and more like a **** with every post?

Anyway, people can make their skills bars however. I mean, look at Eoria's. (only one I could find that had a different skill bar than the normal "every skill on your skillbar... bar" setup like mine As for why they're not set up as important skills on hotkeys is because my mind doesn't know how to connect things to numbers so I normally just click to use a skill. Sometimes if i'm lagging I'll put my IH on F1 and hold it down til I quit so the tank doesn't die. I actually have only 2 macros; one for self buffs if someone dies/misses a buff and one for aoe buffs. But ofc I have the self buffs on the side bar in case someone only missed one buff/i can only buff once in awhile during a boss fight, and I'm trying to get all my sage buffs (note the vanguard spirit) which they're useful to use enough to be put on a skill bar seperately.

Anyway, it just depends on your playstyle, there's no right or wrong way to have a skillbar.

As for the original topic point no real need to comment on it since everyone already mentioned. But it's basically what we used to call "zhenning" and is now used in FC room pulls minus the rb, since there's usually one cleric which is bbing.

DeadRaven - Sanctuary · February 2012

Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »

http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/920/rbbbyataghan.jpg

during an fc run,one cleric did blue bubble for healing,i did red bubble for the whole gamut of attack buffs,and a seeker did vortex,we were all in the same spot and another seeker kept luring mob groups into the singularity

nifty huh?

Yes, it is awesome!

I never see zhen squads anymore due to all the game changes, and consequently, no one EVER talks about zhenning or shares their knowledge about this part of the game with new players. Thus, the fact that you guys took the initiative to collaborate together effectively like that (in essence, discovering how to zhen for yourselves) is a reflection of having great gaming skills, so gratz b:victory

And thanks for sharing it with us, not everyone is aware of zhenning so I am sure someone will definitely be inspired by your example.

As a side note: People that mock new players for making discoveries for themselves are just trying to compensate for their own insecurities by trying to diminish the achievements of others....so sad.

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Sympathi - Archosaur wrote: »

Genuine new players are new players. Just because us lot who've played since OB and know what zhen is know what a zhen is, doesn't mean we should mock people on them only just finding out.

b:surrender

a new player in FC already deserves to be mocked...they should be learning how to play...let alone how to play their character

just my $.02

CritCat - Archosaur · February 2012

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver wrote: »

a new player in FC already deserves to be mocked...they should be learning how to play...let alone how to play their character

just my $.02

^This. All of this.

VenusArmani - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Mr_Punkster - Dreamweaver wrote: »

a new player in FC already deserves to be mocked...they should be learning how to play...let alone how to play their character

just my $.02

Except you don't know how long they are playing and how they got to a level to be able to run fc on their own. Many of the newer players (ppl who were here less than a year) wouldn't know what zhenning is, because it's been out of fashion for the past like 2 years. If they levelled to a level good enough to do FC which is 75, why stop em? Even figured out zhening on their own. They are clearly experimenting and practicing and learning in there. You even get a quest in there.

Good job OP. We were all new once and telling ppl about the awesomesauce stuff we figured out.

Decus - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Ajiuo - Harshlands wrote: »

Is it just me, or is Futurelord sounding more and more like a **** with every post?

Agreed.

I like my skills all visible, but I also have a messy living space and a messy office. I guess I enjoy clutter.

StormHydra - Sanctuary · February 2012

Ajiuo - Harshlands wrote: »

Is it just me, or is Futurelord sounding more and more like a **** with every post?

LOL here we go.

But yeah, it's just me, but I cant stand moving my mouse up and down constantly when using skills.

I get Futurelords point about putting similar skills near each other...I do that too, I just put them on the same line. e.g. (F4->F5 = Soporific Whisper -> Black Ice Dragon strike)

And larger FoV is a plus.

Jadsia - Lost City · February 2012

Jacerai - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Am I the only one who sets up her skill bar so that she can see all her skills? It may crowd things a bit, but I get things done?

That's off-topic a bit. Try this out of the instance and on the open map/OHT maps/etc and you get the shiny shiny DQs too. b:cute

No you're not the only one who does that. I do it because I want to make sure I see the skill's cooldown times so I can use them more efficientl.y

Futurelord - Dreamweaver · February 2012

~Senses mass amounts of negativity being thrown my way~

Funny how one can perceive the attitude of my words on a forum, I am an emotionless zombie that types randomly...Honest!b:chuckle I reread my first post and noticed I didn't actually sound mocking, just informative. (No name calling, no dissing the person, nothing but using the words zhen, unlike you guys forming a lynch mob against me)

Moving on to why I'm actually here.

My favorite macro is a demon specialty. There are two alternatives to it.

Repeat, Cyclone, Thunderball (I've been in Caster Nirvana recently), Cyclone, Wield Thunder, Cyclone? Ironheart, Demon spirit gift.

Replace Ironheart with elemental resist debuff and you have the alternate for when your not tanking. (One IH is enough to last the entire macro and tank most things that do only 1.5k damage or less per hit) (The stronger the heal, the stronger bosses you can take with only 1 IH making the macro usable)

I also what I consider a nuke macro. (For conserving chi actually)

Sleep-Ele debuff-Demon spirit gift-Demon Wield thunder (Use whatever anti stun apoth or genie skill you have while it channells)- Tempest. (If you use apoth rather then genie for anti stun, you can use genie to add in a Frenzy and EP if you want)

Replace Demon spirit gift with Demon spark (Use whatever means avalable to get the chi after sparking) and continue as is.

~Note, the word Demon was only used to express Added bonus by the skills that is being used for the situation. Do not make any assumptions that the other skills are not demon as well~

Edit: Before I forget. That's very good Torva_Avune - Archosaur. Just today I went on a SoT run with a cleric who actually used plumeshell and heal when she was being attacked instead of running away. I'm feeling so proud of the Cleric population today.

Ikarium - Dreamweaver · February 2012

This is in FC.
Which makes me wonder how you were running FC's before? Or this was the first one?
FC is all about the mini-zhens. Especially the assassin mobs and the big room being one big zhen. Done right, should be all zhen to begin with.
So....how were you running them before? Or even doing the big room before to have to 'discover' this?

Riverwell - Archosaur · February 2012

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

~Senses mass amounts of negativity being thrown my way~

Funny how one can perceive the attitude of my words on a forum, I am an emotionless zombie that types randomly...Honest!b:chuckle I reread my first post and noticed I didn't actually sound mocking, just informative. (No name calling, no dissing the person, nothing but using the words zhen, unlike you guys forming a lynch mob against me)

Your right, your first post doesn't sound that bad. However for someone who "only comments on something when it matters", you sure are doing a lot of nonsense posting on the thread.

And this post does sound mean-ish so...

Queenofpower - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Futurelord u need to go out of ur house O.O . The game is playing tricks with your mind b:shocked

Ajiuo - Harshlands · February 2012

Futurelord - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Edit: Before I forget. That's very good Torva_Avune - Archosaur. Just today I went on a SoT run with a cleric who actually used plumeshell and heal when she was being attacked instead of running away. I'm feeling so proud of the Cleric population today.

Wait.. You're saying it's perfectly okay to run around in hopes that someone can catch up with you to get aggro off you and possibly lure more mobs onto you if you're not careful flailing around like a crazy person?
The only time that's a good move is if the squad is definitely not gonna see you're being attacked/can't get to you for awhile.

If they're like RIGHT there next to you and aren't complete idiots, plumeshell and IH is okay. No need to imply that clerics who do that are dumb.

Torva_Avune - Archosaur · February 2012

Ikarium - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This is in FC.
Which makes me wonder how you were running FC's before? Or this was the first one?
FC is all about the mini-zhens. Especially the assassin mobs and the big room being one big zhen. Done right, should be all zhen to begin with.
So....how were you running them before? Or even doing the big room before to have to 'discover' this?

:S funny you should mention that,i was actually doing zhen in rotflesh trench and full fc runs before i got heaven`s wrath buff

cause that screenshot doesnt show what went on beforehand in that fc...cause i had been standing there trying to help attack while the seeker keapt aggro (not the best of ideas i know,but the other cleric already had bb going,so i was kinda bored)

and then eventually the seeker got axed...i ran ( 2k hp at the time,so i had to run or get turned into catfood quickly),the other cleric keapt on doing bb...then eventually the puller came along and was able to draw back aggro so i could ressurect the main seeker there...this happened atleast twice

so,once the whole cycle started up again...i thought "this is going badly,ima try something"...so i got as close as i could to the seeker and the other cleric and started using heaven`s wrath....worked like a charm

and the vortex seeker and the other cleric were quite gratefull for my rb afterwards

then we all had fun together killing the fc heads

(incase your wondering why i didnt have heaven`s wrath sooner..its cause im on full attack build,putting all my spirit points pretty much towards attack skill..plus maxed out wellspring and IH)

Decus - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Torva_Avune - Archosaur wrote: »

(incase your wondering why i didnt have heaven`s wrath sooner..its cause im on full attack build,putting all my spirit points pretty much towards attack skill..plus maxed out wellspring and IH)

People still do this?!? b:shocked

Futurelord - Dreamweaver · February 2012

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People still do this?!? b:shocked

Pretend you didnt see that.

Queenofpower - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Futurelord u need to go out of ur house O.O . The game is playing tricks with your mind b:shocked

No thanks dear, I am fully prepared to stay inside the house 24/7 and enjoy the last peace I will have before Midterms Thursday. My Super Uber Study Session will begin Sunday or Monday.

Ajiuo - Harshlands wrote: »

Wait.. You're saying it's perfectly okay to run around in hopes that someone can catch up with you to get aggro off you and possibly lure more mobs onto you if you're not careful flailing around like a crazy person?
The only time that's a good move is if the squad is definitely not gonna see you're being attacked/can't get to you for awhile. If they're like RIGHT there next to you and aren't complete idiots, plumeshell and IH is okay. No need to imply that clerics who do that are dumb.

I was implying that a cleric will live longer if they stayed in place and shielded/healed themselves. Running away as far as I know with cleric basic running speed has never allowed a cleric NOT to get hit (Holy path is an exception to the rule but once you cant use it anymore you need to be ready to defend when mobs catch up). Of course I'm talking about a cleric who is at level 100. Most clerics at 100 should have a minimum of 4.5k hp. She had 3.8 but still managed to survive because of plumeshell.

Torva_Avune I recommend you go pure magic. It will both increase your damage power and healing power to the point where you will be wanted in all squads all the time. (Just make sure you keep your hp up with good gear and refines)

As for me I stopped that whole cleric needing help from squadmates years ago when I was around level 60. The entire idea of it was stupid. There you are with heals, shields, buffs and debuffs. Unless your surrounded by mobs or the 1-2 mobs hitting you are taking off more then 50% of hp a hit, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to use your defensive skills to stay alive long enough to kill it. As far as i'm concerned a cleric's only weakness when it comes to PvE is their hp.

With the exact same gear but lacking refines, I went from having a nightmarish time soloing FC with 4.5k hp to doing it in my sleep with 6.1k.

wanna know how to bring a singularity into pwi? try this :D

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