Warsoul weapon

_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver
_Nerox_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 753 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Blademaster
which one is best for BM over all?
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Probably claws. You'd need at least a tome and a recast r8 top with -int to compensate for the lack of interval, but then you'd have 5 aps with a minimum of 80 attack levels and a pair of claws of a grade equal to r9 b:shocked
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  • Saethos - Raging Tide
    Saethos - Raging Tide Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    I'd say the axe that causes bleed over time It's pretty high in attack levels like the rest of the warsoul weapons. The Brothers of Fear are aptly named, I was talking about the same topic to a friend, and he said no matter now much HP he had he'd run from me if I hat that. It adds HP and hits like a beast, in TW the bleed effect can probably be a massive advantage to not only your squad, but the entire faction since you can AoE almost constantly with those axes, causing bleeds to an extremely large number of people.

    Unless you want to play in PvE, then you shouldn't even bother because you can own the world of PvE with an unrefined and unsharded Gorenox Vanity

    But by far I'd say for a BM the Brothers of Fear. Crit ad APS isn't like the fist or claw, but even without warsoul, the highest DPS in PvP is an axe build for BM, so I'd assume it's even the same here. Personally, if I had the warsoul dual axes, I'd try PKing without high refined armor and see if I can live with 6k HP just to test the limits. I wouldn't feel that safe with a pair of fists though, no way.

    Brothers of Fear can also be used in PvE pulls if you wanted to kill some time in FC or do some AoE grinding, the bleed effect can come in handy again.

    The sword is also nice since it has added range, but now we have seekers, leave the sword play to them now.

    Polehammer stun is nice, if you have the tome and the interval on chest you can be a 2 aps polehammer BM with a stunning axe, that's pretty good situationally, but the stun can also get in the way of stunning skills. not worth it in my opinion unless you were doing AoE, but then the bleed will kill faster anyway from the brothers of fear.

    As for fist/claw...aps is nice, dps is scary. fists/claws are not dps.
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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Saethos - Raging Tide wrote: »
    you can AoE almost constantly with those axes, causing bleeds to an extremely large number of people.

    Sadly, it's still nothing compared to the GoF on r9 axes since the bleed from Rip doesn't stack, it only refreshes. The tiny ~200 damage (in PvE) bleed ticks don't really help at all.
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  • _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver
    _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 753 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    how come noone mentioned the Pike, isnt that the Best Pike in-game? :O

    And the 5000 bleed on the axes is only like what 333 per second? thats is kinda fail...unless it stacks...but still...just need to spark... b:surrender
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  • Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Warsoul is garbage compared to full r9. It beats it in every way, adds, price, and ease to aquire. If you made a full r8 with a warsoul weapon then maybe you can justify it, but then why when for the same price you can be full r9?
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Warsoul is garbage compared to full r9. It beats it in every way, adds, price, and ease to aquire. If you made a full r8 with a warsoul weapon then maybe you can justify it, but then why when for the same price you can be full r9?

    When it comes to aps and pve dps then warsoul claws are pretty much the best you can get.

    As for the rest... yeah, not such a good idea.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Warsoul is garbage compared to full r9. It beats it in every way, adds, price, and ease to aquire. If you made a full r8 with a warsoul weapon then maybe you can justify it, but then why when for the same price you can be full r9?

    This coming from the 104 Raging tide, easily seen goon'd, BM?


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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Its actually pretty sick how much more dps the Warsoul claws would do at 5.0 than some of our more realist alternatives. At +12 (assuming you can +12 a weapon if you spend 9 bil on it) it does about 30-35% more damage than SDs, and 27-30% more than Regicides.

    Until rank 8 recast plate/boots they weren't really better because it was 4.0 max and not a real damage increase. 5% or so, but some of that would be lost if you didn't have 15.00 second perfect spark timing. Now that 5.0 is possible it would be a very sexy weapon.
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  • OontzOontz - Dreamweaver
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver Posts: 782 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Pike could be useful when wizzes start jumping all over the place.
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  • Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide Posts: 452 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _Perses_ why the hate? What did I say that was so bad? I gave my opinion and get trolled for it? You sure your not from Trolling Tides too?b:chuckle
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sadly, it's still nothing compared to the GoF on r9 axes since the bleed from Rip doesn't stack, it only refreshes. The tiny ~200 damage (in PvE) bleed ticks don't really help at all.

    Bleeds and other dots do stack but the 5000 damage is pretty small. My base damage is like 16-21k so its like 1/4 of my base damage spread out over like 9 seconds? Also DoTs don't benefit from attack levels....
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Zarkin_Baxil - Raging Tide wrote: »
    _Perses_ why the hate? What did I say that was so bad? I gave my opinion and get trolled for it? You sure your not from Trolling Tides too?b:chuckle

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  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Bleeds and other dots do stack but the 5000 damage is pretty small.

    Yeah, they normally do, but I remember it from a private server while testing out the warsoul axes and r6 fists. Especially with the fists you'd see it proc like 2 times a second, but the DoT always stayed the same. I doubt it's any different on these servers.
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  • _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver
    _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 753 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Pike could be useful when wizzes start jumping all over the place.

    I think some of the new skills will req a pike/pole, looks like it in the vidb:surrender
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  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Yep, most likely the claws, i the did build and you can get up to 96 attack levels without DoTs which is quite amazing, though you need recast plate with -int and boots to be 5aps base
  • Michael - Harshlands
    Michael - Harshlands Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Player DoT's (ie DoT's used by players against anything) and mob DoT's (DoT's used by mobs against players) stack in different manners

    Player DoT's (example flesh ream) stacks by increasing the number of ticks, so rather than ticking once every 3 seconds it ticks twice every 3 seconds after stacking, the duration on the first flesh ream is not increased by the 2nd one.

    Mob DoT's (example poision DoT from frogs in SoT) stacks by increasing the damage of each tick, there is a cap to how far it will stack and then it will remain at that number till it finishes its duration (which means it technically refreshes the duration on the first DoT but it doesnt stack infinitely).
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    This coming from the 104 Raging tide, easily seen goon'd, BM?


    Man go back to trolling tides and let the people who played the game answer.

    Zarkin is a better BM than you ever can be. Hell, his current gear surpasses your 'dream build', GG.
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Zarkin is a better BM than you ever can be. Hell, his current gear surpasses your 'dream build', GG.

    Having good gear doesn't make you skilled, if you watched the pk vids with Zarkin in them you'd see he can't properly lock and uses skills at inappropriate times. Sure his gear is good, but that doesn't mean that he is.
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Zarkin is a better BM than you ever can be. Hell, his current gear surpasses your 'dream build', GG.

    Oh looky, another fail RT troll. Come on you guys, keep trying! I'm in a good mood today, maybe you'll give me a actual laugh b:cute
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Having good gear doesn't make you skilled, if you watched the pk vids with Zarkin in them you'd see he can't properly lock and uses skills at inappropriate times. Sure his gear is good, but that doesn't mean that he is.

    Compared to a BM who does not even know how to refine properly, I'd say zarkin will be able to beat Perses with his 3 year old daughter facerolling the keyboard with him.

    The reason zarkin misses on stun locks is not because of timing or lack of knowledge, it's because of lack of accuracy. He's still missing 2x G12 ambers in his axes while his build is pure support with minimum dex and a PQ3 magic ring instead of +50%. If you watch when his stuns land his stun locks aren't far from perfect.

    @failnonfactorBM how come I never see you nominated for being the best?
  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    Compared to a BM who does not even know how to refine properly, I'd say zarkin will be able to beat Perses with his 3 year old daughter facerolling the keyboard with him.

    The reason zarkin misses on stun locks is not because of timing or lack of knowledge, it's because of lack of accuracy. He's still missing 2x G12 ambers in his axes while his build is pure support with minimum dex and a PQ3 magic ring instead of +50%. If you watch when his stuns land his stun locks aren't far from perfect.

    I watched him try to stun past the Archer's anti stun multiple times and try to Ocean's Edge instead of using a stun when he could have kept the Archer in a lock. I've seen _Perses_'s build on the BM forums, obviously Zarkin's BM facerolls. 7k-ish HP vs full R9? Good luck

    But like I said.. gear =/= skill, you should see some of the R9s on Lothranis if you don't believe me b:chuckle
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    But like I said.. gear =/= skill, you should see some of the R9s on Lothranis if you don't believe me b:chuckle

    You don't need to be pro to be better than Perseus, and the only R9s I've seen is the seeker you fisted to death.

    Without gear you can't be pro either. 7k HP = pro was back in 2008

    **Edit - make that null. I just remembered my stashed level 85 BM has 7.5k HP.
  • _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver
    _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 753 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Stick to topic or GTFO b:angry
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    You don't need to be pro to be better than Perseus, and the only R9s I've seen is the seeker you fisted to death.

    Without gear you can't be pro either. 7k HP = pro was back in 2008

    **Edit - make that null. I just remembered my stashed level 85 BM has 7.5k HP.

    Times change, back then +6 was considered godly. With all the sales +7-10 are the norm, and Rank 9 has become the elite gear. One R9 now could probably solo everyone from that time b:chuckle

    Anyway... you can be pro without gear, you'll just get rolled. Gear is what lets you actually compete, it's skill that lets you win. I won't argue that good gear is needed to pk, I'm just saying that having good gear doesn't automatically make you good.

    I killed the R9 sins on my server as well, one of them refuses to fight me 1v1 ever since I beat her four times in a row. b:chuckle Just trust me when I say the R9s on Loth are pretty lame, save for Serga and Repanzu. They actually know what they're doing.
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Ya know...it's funny that the fail RT barb alt troll poster seems to miss the fact that anything below r9 I can easily 1v1 and have a fun fight with. Hell even with r9 sins (assuming they don't stealth away) I can fight on a 1v1 turf.


    Wizards and Psychic's are about the only two classes I can say fighting 1v1 is a pain, mainly because they got enough skills in their arsenal to keep me at range (even with a proper stun lock...damn Badge of Courage). Heck i've been hit with a soulburn via a psychic and just mage marrowed myself and took a 1k hit cause of it >.<


    Hurrdurr, or whoever your actual character is cause I have simply stopped bothering with you, if you think r9 > all else; than good for you. Just leave this forums and go play on your dead server, or go play whatever else game you are playing. I don't see a need to defend myself, or even respond to your ignorance of posts beyond this post.

    So with this, I bid you goodbye.
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    And Hurrdurr keeps up his troll of the year post count.

    I still don't see any of the Warsoul Weapons being worth the coin investment for the return on a BM. The Fist/Claws are tempting but the money you'd have to invest for more int gear and the loss of defenses seems not worth it. R9 Axes are definitely better, you're looking to one shot people more.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    Ya know...it's funny that the fail RT barb alt troll poster seems to miss the fact that anything below r9 I can easily 1v1 and have a fun fight with. Hell even with r9 sins (assuming they don't stealth away) I can fight on a 1v1 turf.


    Wizards and Psychic's are about the only two classes I can say fighting 1v1 is a pain, mainly because they got enough skills in their arsenal to keep me at range (even with a proper stun lock...damn Badge of Courage). Heck i've been hit with a soulburn via a psychic and just mage marrowed myself and took a 1k hit cause of it >.<


    Hurrdurr, or whoever your actual character is cause I have simply stopped bothering with you, if you think r9 > all else; than good for you. Just leave this forums and go play on your dead server, or go play whatever else game you are playing. I don't see a need to defend myself, or even respond to your ignorance of posts beyond this post.

    So with this, I bid you goodbye.
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And Hurrdurr keeps up his troll of the year post count.

    I still don't see any of the Warsoul Weapons being worth the coin investment for the return on a BM. The Fist/Claws are tempting but the money you'd have to invest for more int gear and the loss of defenses seems not worth it. R9 Axes are definitely better, you're looking to one shot people more.

    No, that was troll post of the year. R9 sins can zerk crit through 7k HP, hell they can zerk OR crit through 7k HP.

    If BMs are taking Perseus seriously then my respect for the BM community has gone down to below sea level.
  • ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide
    ShadowsFlame - Raging Tide Posts: 152 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    warsoul claws are awesome in a pve build b:dirty no argument there.
    Id say r9 axes better than warsoul in looks and power in pve (u know aoeing).

    PvP with warsoul claws might work with HA, but question is will u still live long enough to kill them. Againist casters i highly doubt ull get to use the claws.
    Pvp with r9 axes would be alot better than warsoul axes... gof plays an important role =D
    i assumed that other classes were r9 ofc

    The way of bms is live then kill... not kill then live. <-- we have enough fish doing this.

    erm i dint look into warsoul poles and swords, so no comment on this.
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  • Superfeng - Lost City
    Superfeng - Lost City Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    I am a noob troll.


    Indeed you are both.

    I duel Perses occasionally and I can't say he's the best but he's not some nub you speak of. And who the hell are you? Hiding behind some lvl 3 barb lothranis (non-factor server) on the forums?

    Care to show your true face? figured


    Now shut up noob and one more thing, all your future posts on how I suck will be ignored.

    Kthxbye.
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  • Revenge - Raging Tide
    Revenge - Raging Tide Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited February 2012
    if all bm's have come down to is talking about aps now like fish, then i've lost all respect. and btw, im at 8.9k hp bm unbuffed whose beat a full r9 +10 josd sharded barb in 1v1 pk. where the **** did the stunlocks from old go to? all i've seen in here was go aps, use aps, blah blah. btw anyone stupid enough to go warsoul anything is just **** >.>. r9 is cheaper, does more damage, and as was said, pve doesnt require a 6billion coin wepon to do. r9 in pvp will suffice better. stun's hf, aoe, survivability. who the **** cares about taking claws out and aps attacking as a bm? roll a damn sin to do that.
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