Max atkspd Seeker = 5?

Rhamos - Heavens Tear · November 2011

I know myself it must be crazy, but when I read Nockzk - Harshlands's thread http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1215891 about Seeker's RANK8 Recasted and see the link, I found that seeker recasted rank8 have random 3 slot option for each his rank8 recasted armor for atkspd:
1. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/32727
2. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/32278
3. http://www.pwdatabase.com/cn/items/32273
Each of those equip have 3 random slot for -0.05 interval. Wich mean, we can have 9 x -0.05 interval. Is it possible for each item to have 3 x -0.05 interval for recasted rank8 equip?

if that possible, by looking from this table:

-- The Attack Interval Chart --

0.63 attacks / sec (1.60 secs / attack) Crossbow
0.65 attacks / sec (1.55 secs / attack) ☆Hurricane Spray, ☆Returning Squall
0.67 attacks / sec (1.50 secs / attack) Bow, ☆Windcatcher, ☆Punishing Thunder
0.69 attacks / sec (1.45 secs / attack) ☆Crimson Horn: Soulsmasher
0.71 attacks / sec (1.40 secs / attack) Slingshot, ☆Heaven Shatterer, ☆☆Bow of the Demonhunter
0.74 attacks / sec (1.35 secs / attack) ☆Sinister Shooter
0.77 attacks / sec (1.30 secs / attack) ☆Wind and the Clouds
0.80 attacks / sec (1.25 secs / attack)
0.83 attacks / sec (1.20 secs / attack) Dual Hammers, Dual Axes
0.87 attacks / sec (1.15 secs / attack)
0.91 attacks / sec (1.10 secs / attack) Dual Swords, Dual Blades, Polehammer, Poleaxe
0.95 attacks / sec (1.05 secs / attack)
1.00 attacks / sec (1.00 secs / attack) Poleblade, Club, Pike
1.05 attacks / sec (0.95 secs / attack)
1.11 attacks / sec (0.90 secs / attack) Sword, Blade
1.18 attacks / sec (0.85 secs / attack)
1.25 attacks / sec (0.80 secs / attack) Dagger
1.33 attacks / sec (0.75 secs / attack)
1.43 attacks / sec (0.70 secs / attack) Fist (weapon), Claw
1.54 attacks / sec (0.65 secs / attack)
1.67 attacks / sec (0.60 secs / attack)
1.82 attacks / sec (0.55 secs / attack)
2.00 attacks / sec (0.50 secs / attack)
2.22 attacks / sec (0.45 secs / attack)
2.50 attacks / sec (0.40 secs / attack)
2.86 attacks / sec (0.35 secs / attack)
3.33 attacks / sec (0.30 secs / attack)
4.00 attacks / sec (0.25 secs / attack)
5.00 attacks / sec (0.20 secs / attack) Maximum Attack Speed / Minimum Attack Interval

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=279561

... Seeker need 12 x -0.05 interval equip for Demon Seeker and 14 x -0.05 interval for Sage Seeker. So for Demon Seeker: only need 3 more -0.05 interval equip other than those 3 - hardly possible, but possible - rank8 recasted equip and the Sage Seeker need 5 -0.05 interval equip.

I just ask the possibility, and I repeat: i know it's very very hard to get and for 5 atkspd class, better to make assasin or blademaster...

so, it's possible (1 equip rank8 recasted with 3 x -0.05 interval)?

Ruvil - Sanctuary · November 2011

it is also possible to have -58% channeling from 3 pieces of gear. good luck

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver · November 2011

@ Rhamos

just quit seeker now before losing your time. You'll end up a fail if you try to make a aps seeker........

b:angry seeker are skill spammer, simple as that and dont try to change it

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver · November 2011

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

@ Rhamos

just quit seeker now before losing your time. You'll end up a fail if you try to make a aps seeker........

b:angry seeker are skill spammer, simple as that and dont try to change it

There's nothing stopping seekers from doing both. APS seekers and skill seeker have the exact same build. If you're rich enough to have both sets of gear, then why not?

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver · November 2011

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver wrote: »

There's nothing stopping seekers from doing both. APS seekers and skill seeker have the exact same build. If you're rich enough to have both sets of gear, then why not?

if you want aps, go roll a sin or a bm.....seeker have nothing to up their auto attack damage. Just heartshatter (50% more damage for skill when its sage, 35% damage + 15% crit rate if demon) tells the style of playing a seeker should play, which is skill spamming.

A seeker who just auto attack is useless, especially at end game........

And anyway, if i ever got recast, i'd put better effect on my gears....especially greater darken on my sword

p.s. can another high lvl seeker help me kill this stupidityb:cry

XXZeonXx - Harshlands · November 2011

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you want aps, go roll a sin or a bm.....seeker have nothing to up their auto attack damage. Just heartshatter (50% more damage for skill when its sage, 35% damage + 15% crit rate if demon) tells the style of playing a seeker should play, which is skill spamming.

A seeker who just auto attack is useless, especially at end game........

And anyway, if i ever got recast, i'd put better effect on my gears....especially greater darken on my sword

p.s. can another high lvl seeker help me kill this stupidityb:cry

It's not even worth bothering them at this point. Let them go APS.

_Perses_ - Lost City · November 2011

XXZeonXx - Harshlands wrote: »

It's not even worth bothering them at this point. Let them go APS.

^ This...

If a person can't even play the class to figure out that seekers aren't meant for APS then **** them.

OontzOontz - Dreamweaver · November 2011

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

if you want aps, go roll a sin or a bm.....seeker have nothing to up their auto attack damage. Just heartshatter (50% more damage for skill when its sage, 35% damage + 15% crit rate if demon) tells the style of playing a seeker should play, which is skill spamming.

A seeker who just auto attack is useless, especially at end game........

And anyway, if i ever got recast, i'd put better effect on my gears....especially greater darken on my sword

p.s. can another high lvl seeker help me kill this stupidityb:cry

Tell that to all the barbs or archers sporting 5 aps claws.

CatManDoo - Dreamweaver · November 2011

Nice to see so many close minded seekers hereb:victory

ReMakaBo - Archosaur · November 2011

If you want to spend countless amounts of $$ for somthing that will only be viable in PvE (lolol like this game has any worth working towards) then by all means go ahead. Aps on a seeker would be a moot argument in PvP - where channeling is more in favor for the seeker-

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · November 2011

1.11 aps is at 0.9 int
3.33 aps is at 0.3 int which will spark up to 5 aps in demon spark

That makes -0.6 int you have to get from gear.

-.15 from weapon
-.15 from boot
-.15 from chest
-.05 from HA TT99 ornaments
-.05 from NV pants
... don't see any way to get TT99 LA bonus so skip that
-.05 from cape
-.05 from tome
-.15 from OHT wrist (or -.1 from TT90gold/TT99/NV wrist)

Total possible -int = .7

If you had all that you'd be 5.0 unsparked. With demon spark though you don't need -.1 of that int. You're still looking at at least 2 triple int pieces and 2 double int pieces from random adds. The boot and weapon are hardest while chest is relatively easy.

Nniotora - Lost City · November 2011

its possible but not worth the countless recasts since you can only get a limited mats from trials. About ppl saying its not worth it to go aps cuz you nerf damage is like saying aps on bm is not worth it cuz fist have lower attack then sword/axes if you can do it but tbh its not worth the cost.Note my sword has 1934-2413 vs claw 1501-1753 vs axe 1963-3280
so if you have the money to spend on recasting it and get 5aps you will out dd most bms and even sins if you can get gof and int on rank8 recast. But go with the crowd cuz its not worth the money/time almost 1 piece of 0.15 is enough to get a full 5aps sin

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 · November 2011

Ehh looking at the numbers...
At +12 the R8 sword would be 475 phys attack more than the g15 nirvana dagger. Factoring in rings that gives Seekers about 20% more base damage. Once you factor in the sin's natural 15% higher crit rate from being a dex class and the bonus damage from wolf emblem the sin will still out dps a 5.0 seeker.

That's even ignoring the possibility of 5.0 R9 dagger or 5.0 recast R9 dagger (which is far easier than 5.0 seeker).

Nniotora - Lost City · November 2011

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ehh looking at the numbers...
At +12 the R8 sword would be 475 phys attack more than the g15 nirvana dagger. Factoring in rings that gives Seekers about 20% more base damage. Once you factor in the sin's natural 15% higher crit rate from being a dex class and the bonus damage from wolf emblem the sin will still out dps a 5.0 seeker.

That's even ignoring the possibility of 5.0 R9 dagger or 5.0 recast R9 dagger (which is far easier than 5.0 seeker).

was comparing to bm but i agree on sin almost nothing can outdd a sin just cuz daggers are dex based instead of str and even a 5.0 wiz is cheaper then 5.0 seeker

Rhamos - Heavens Tear · November 2011

haha thx for all your comment friends b:chuckle

for all who comment wisely, b:thanks thanks. I just calculate before patch update: rank 8 recasted, it's impossible. But after this, it's possible, just possible...

for all who comment 'negatif' thing, that's why I write this:

I just ask the possibility, and I repeat: i know it's very very hard to get and for 5 atkspd class, better to make assasin or blademaster...

I just do the calc

InControl - Lost City · November 2011

Rhamos - Heavens Tear wrote: »

haha thx for all your comment friends b:chuckle

for all who comment wisely, b:thanks thanks. I just calculate before patch update: rank 8 recasted, it's impossible. But after this, it's possible, just possible...

for all who comment 'negatif' thing, that's why I write this:

I just do the calc

So who wants to calculate a 6aps mystic? b:thanks

Nockzk - Harshlands · December 2011

Rhamos, you said my name wow I feel happy. Okay has any one got an aps set ? I mean then 2.56 or something like that + genie skill to get higher. I my self have 2 set for the Fing fun of it. One is rank 8 and the other is aps gear I us it for fun and some time to do pvp and yes it is fun to try to aps ppl. I do not fing care if it is op or not this is a game nothing more. I would try my self to get 5 aps if it were easy to get yet it is tooooooooo hard to get. I will end here.

Nockzk, "Seekers Rule"

PS: I do not fing care if i can not write correctly. For all those jack ***** out there that like to make fun of ppl.

TolanSky - Heavens Tear · December 2011

ReMakaBo - Archosaur wrote: »

If you want to spend countless amounts of $$ for somthing that will only be viable in PvE (lolol like this game has any worth working towards) then by all means go ahead. Aps on a seeker would be a moot argument in PvP - where channeling is more in favor for the seeker-

saying "countless" amounts of money doesn't even BEGIN to cover it. The correct terminology would be "Astronomical" amounts of money. If not out right "INFINITE" amounts of money.

The odds of getting 9x copies of the Interval Modification to Rank 9 is so minute as to make it borderline impossible. So while it is technically possible, the amount of re-rolling that would be involved would make the cost of doing so so expensive that you could at least in theory effectively get 3,000 Rank 9 Seekers (if not more) for the same COST. If that at all puts this into perspective for you. (i.e. that amounts to about 4,500,000 US Dollars spent on this game if not more) I don't know of anyone willing to spend the equivalent of a down payment on a small Mansion on a video game, do you?

X_Rays - Sanctuary · December 2011

b:laugh at seekers while I aim for 5.0 on rank 8 blade.

TolanSky - Heavens Tear · December 2011

X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:laugh at seekers while I aim for 5.0 on rank 8 blade.

You are laughing now, but I just did up the stats for Seekers on the Perfect World Calculator for a Seeker who is both using the Rank 9 Recast Armor and a Seeker who is using the Rank 8 Recast (APS Build) and the physical damage numbers even just for the Rank 9 Recast alone is absolutely mind boggling. The rank 8 Recast APS build is unbelievably high when one gets right down to it with a 22% Critical Hit Rate, 49 Attack Levels, and a spike physical damage output of 26,964 we are talking some serious damage potential here at 5.0 APS. Sure Sin can still do more damage due to the fact that they can Critical Hit more often, but I don't think any other class is going to be able to do this kind of damage on plain ordinary run of the mill attacks. For reference here are the two builds I came up with:

http://pwcalc.com/dadfd5d8588c64df - Rank 9 Recast Build

http://pwcalc.com/448e4e765da22dd9 - Rank 8 Recast w/ 5.0 APS Build (Interval is done strangely for Rank 8 Recast on pwcalc.com so please keep that in mind when viewing)

http://pwcalc.com/d1883e4a680e0bde - Standard Rank 9 as a Baseline

Alsiadorra - Sanctuary · December 2011

X_Rays - Sanctuary wrote: »

b:laugh at seekers while I aim for 5.0 on rank 8 blade.

Some one give this guy a cookie and tell him to get in the long line of people waiting for us to give a damn.

Arctix - Dreamweaver · December 2011

TolanSky - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You are laughing now, but I just did up the stats for Seekers on the Perfect World Calculator for a Seeker who is both using the Rank 9 Recast Armor and a Seeker who is using the Rank 8 Recast (APS Build) and the physical damage numbers even just for the Rank 9 Recast alone is absolutely mind boggling. The rank 8 Recast APS build is unbelievably high when one gets right down to it with a 22% Critical Hit Rate, 49 Attack Levels, and a spike physical damage output of 26,964 we are talking some serious damage potential here at 5.0 APS. Sure Sin can still do more damage due to the fact that they can Critical Hit more often, but I don't think any other class is going to be able to do this kind of damage on plain ordinary run of the mill attacks. For reference here are the two builds I came up with:

http://pwcalc.com/dadfd5d8588c64df - Rank 9 Recast Build

http://pwcalc.com/448e4e765da22dd9 - Rank 8 Recast w/ 5.0 APS Build (Interval is done strangely for Rank 8 Recast on pwcalc.com so please keep that in mind when viewing)

http://pwcalc.com/d1883e4a680e0bde - Standard Rank 9 as a Baseline

http://pwcalc.com/2e6c63ae16d22a34
Just made him more stronger :P

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2011

at this point in time, i think if anyone made a 5.0 seeker all they will be is ridiculed at how much they probably wasted to make it 5.0.....

Sympathi - Archosaur · December 2011

The chances of getting to 3.33 APS for the demon spark to 5 is about as likely as 2 scroll of tomes in a row i think it compares too.

Long story short it IS POSSIBLE, but in order to do it you need to make 2 lots of 3 -0.05 Rank 8 recast armours AND a 2 -0.05 weapon.

This would be the cheapest way to 5 APS;

http://pwcalc.com/db4466454e87b1c4

Double Int -0.05 gears anywhere with a typical APS Setup (ajusted)

With this build and using a Strength genie at level 100 with at least 140 strength (will require 61+ Lucky points and grade 4 or above genie gears), you will be able to boost your attack speed (and movement speed) by 35% using relentless courage for 8 seconds and putting you at 5 APS.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · December 2011

Ya know, If I had a couple extra grand laying around, I wouldn't be throwing it at making a seeker high APS.
If I even bothered to spend it on the game, I would use it to make my toons the best of their class, the way the class is designed.
High APS in a seeker/barb is for losers that don't know how to use skills or play their class.
I have a high level seeker and he does MUCH more damage using skills than just sitting and whacking.

gallax13th · January 2012

youd be better off making a sin

Keroh - Sanctuary · January 2012

I was just thinking that although it is possible to get a seeker to 5aps, the money spent to get to that point without relentless could probably pay for 2 or 3 warsoul weapons.

hiddenmonkey · February 2012

Goot luck rolling 3x -0.05 ints with 0.13% chance of getting it. You have better odds of getting a SoT from packs with the same cost.

gallax13th · February 2012

you could get 5.0.
if you spent trillions of coin.
but do you have hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend?

supertroyman1 · February 2012

its possible but not very likely. it is something to amuse yourself with though.

between chest,boots racast(both can get int) nv pants recast sword(also can get int) tt 99 wrists and(insert other tt99 gear option here),int cape and tome. and it can be done. u dont have to get -.05 3 times on each peice of gear. if u have it 2x on each that would probably work along with demon spark for 5 aps. and actually theres already a bm on my server running around with a recast top that has -.05 on there twice. and she got it the first time. so more or less its just a matter of raw luck.

Sympathi - Archosaur · February 2012

supertroyman1 wrote: »

its possible but not very likely. it is something to amuse yourself with though.

between chest,boots racast(both can get int) nv pants recast sword(also can get int) tt 99 wrists and(insert other tt99 gear option here),int cape and tome. and it can be done. u dont have to get -.05 3 times on each peice of gear. if u have it 2x on each that would probably work along with demon spark for 5 aps. and actually theres already a bm on my server running around with a recast top that has -.05 on there twice. and she got it the first time. so more or less its just a matter of raw luck.

To put an end to this discussion, 5 APS is possible from a demon seeker, is it worth it no, is it necessary no but it IS possible;

http://pwcalc.com/8518e1afeb7a7a23

Is the best possible build for such a goal, JoSD could be changed for DoT's or Vits but that's just my tech. To get 5 APS you need 0.15 more interval then the standard maximum interval layout possible.

This means either a triple 0.05 interval Rank 8 Recast piece and a double 0.05, or three double 0.05's

Chance to get double 0.05 on top: 1.389%
Chance to get double 0.05 on boots: 0.1502%
Chance to get double 0.05 on weapon: 0.1302%

Now for them people with the silly amounts of money it would take to make this possible, they should think of it as extreme pack opening! b:chuckle

End of Thread.

Max atkspd Seeker = 5?

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