About Demon Cyclone heel

Blows - Dreamweaver
Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
Hey all, i was talking with a friend today about the skill, he was telling me that the skill is bugged.. I never really took notice till h explained to me more about why an i checked it for myself... If am 3.33 Aps build an i use it it takes me to 3.33 an if i use winshield what should have less attack speed boost take me to 3.33 the same, shouldn't demon heel take me to almost 4.0.. just curious on you guys thought son it or maybe it was discussed before...
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  • Sir_Puma - Raging Tide
    Sir_Puma - Raging Tide Posts: 780 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    The thing is , it rounds it up. There's no "3" aps or "3.75". Since wind shield gives 10%, 3.33 + 10%, would be 3.66, stays at 3.33. Demon cyclone heel though "should" bring you to 4 since it's 25%. (3.33 + 25% would be 4.13 or so, so would round at closest, 4)

    I know that I am 2.5 and demon cyclone puts me at 3.33 (same as demon spark)

    2.5 + 20% is near 3.1 so rounds to 3.33.

    Which makes me think..When I get 2.86 base, will I still be 3.33 sparked or will I be 4 ?
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  • Olbaze - Sanctuary
    Olbaze - Sanctuary Posts: 4,242 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Speed boosts don't stack.
    The thing is , it rounds it up. There's no "3" aps or "3.75". Since wind shield gives 10%, 3.33 + 10%, would be 3.66, stays at 3.33. Demon cyclone heel though "should" bring you to 4 since it's 25%. (3.33 + 25% would be 4.13 or so, so would round at closest, 4)

    I know that I am 2.5 and demon cyclone puts me at 3.33 (same as demon spark)

    2.5 + 25% is near 3.2 so rounds to 3.33.

    Which makes me think..When I get 2.86 base, will I still be 3.33 sparked or will I be 4 ?

    Um... no.

    Speed boosts are taken as multiplicative reductions from your attack interval, not your APS.

    For example, I have 3.33 aps, or 0.3 attack interval. 10% on Windshield thus lowers that to 0.27, which is then rounded to the nearest 0.05, or 0.25, which in turn gives me an APS of 4.0.

    If you get 2.86 base, you'll spark to 4.0, because:
    2.86 aps <-> 0.35 attack interval
    Demon Spark gives that a 0.75 multiplier, resulting in 0.2625, which is then rounded down to 0.25 <-> 4.0 aps.

    Might wanna brush up on these mechanics.
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  • Blows - Dreamweaver
    Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Ok thank i suck at maths when i read what you said it was like trying to read brail...lol but i understand in a way... So basically getting that skill book is a waste of time?
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Erm...

    Think of it this way.

    Demon Cyclone Heel basically is 5% short of being useful.

    That is all you really need to know.

    My Demon cyclone book is gonna just sit in my bank and I'm gonna stare at it occasionally and wonder...
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  • Blows - Dreamweaver
    Blows - Dreamweaver Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Erm...

    Think of it this way.

    Demon Cyclone Heel basically is 5% short of being useful.

    That is all you really need to know.

    My Demon cyclone book is gonna just sit in my bank and I'm gonna stare at it occasionally and wonder...
    lol lol 8 mil down the drain for me QQQQQb:chuckle
  • Zenorx - Harshlands
    Zenorx - Harshlands Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    According to ecatomb demon cyclone heel gives 20% not 25% btw

    ijs
  • QuietKitteh - Lost City
    QuietKitteh - Lost City Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Its nice, in PvP matters... where you dont spark. Or if you killing something that doesnt really require spark. But for boss killing, just spark :]
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  • Quinn_orion - Sanctuary
    Quinn_orion - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I think it can be useful.
    I currently use the TT99 Evasion ornaments to be 4.0. So, if I need to switch out my ornaments for ones that give me more defense and thereby lose that -0.05 interval, Demon Cyclone Heel gets me back up to 3.33aps from 2.5aps instead of only bringing me up to 2.86aps like Level10 did.
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Zenorx - Harshlands wrote: »
    According to ecatomb demon cyclone heel gives 20% not 25% btw

    ijs
    Quinn_orion - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I think it can be useful.
    I currently use the TT99 Evasion ornaments to be 4.0. So, if I need to switch out my ornaments for ones that give me more defense and thereby lose that -0.05 interval, Demon Cyclone Heel gets me back up to 3.33aps from 2.5aps instead of only bringing me up to 2.86aps like Level10 did.

    You see, there are a lot of BM's that are 3.33 unsparked.

    If, for some RIDICULOUS reason, they made Demon Cyclone give a +25% boost instead of +20%, then these BM's would be 5.0 instead of... 4.0. Which Cyclone would get you to at level 1. b:sweat So, is it really worth leveling a skill ALL THE WAY TO DEMON for the same end result, barring the skill's actual damage itself?

    Sage Cyclone increases the duration of the attack speed increase to 15 seconds vs 10. That is waaaay the HELL more useful than another blather 10 seconds at 4.0 unsparked for a Demon. >_>

    CLIFF'S NOtES: DEMON CYCLONE IS LAME.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Meh I use Demon cyclone heel for the lulz in PvP, and then in PvE on ****ty mobs that I want chi from (i.e. shades in frost, trash mobs in abba or SoT)
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  • Sjuggs - Lost City
    Sjuggs - Lost City Posts: 617 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You see, there are a lot of BM's that are 3.33 unsparked.

    If, for some RIDICULOUS reason, they made Demon Cyclone give a +25% boost instead of +20%, then these BM's would be 5.0 instead of... 4.0. Which Cyclone would get you to at level 1. b:sweat So, is it really worth leveling a skill ALL THE WAY TO DEMON for the same end result, barring the skill's actual damage itself?

    Sage Cyclone increases the duration of the attack speed increase to 15 seconds vs 10. That is waaaay the HELL more useful than another blather 10 seconds at 4.0 unsparked for a Demon. >_>

    CLIFF'S NOtES: DEMON CYCLONE IS LAME.


    Lol as if sage bm's skills were any better over all... b:laugh
  • QuietKitteh - Lost City
    QuietKitteh - Lost City Posts: 116 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You see, there are a lot of BM's that are 3.33 unsparked.

    If, for some RIDICULOUS reason, they made Demon Cyclone give a +25% boost instead of +20%, then these BM's would be 5.0 instead of... 4.0. Which Cyclone would get you to at level 1. b:sweat So, is it really worth leveling a skill ALL THE WAY TO DEMON for the same end result, barring the skill's actual damage itself?

    Sage Cyclone increases the duration of the attack speed increase to 15 seconds vs 10. That is waaaay the HELL more useful than another blather 10 seconds at 4.0 unsparked for a Demon. >_>

    CLIFF'S NOtES: DEMON CYCLONE IS LAME.

    ORIGINAL lv 10 cyclone lasts 15sec, sage is 20...
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  • Bashmaster - Raging Tide
    Bashmaster - Raging Tide Posts: 353 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I'm a BM... i'm 3.33 unsparked and with lv10 heel i'm 4.0 ._.
    calc is wrong with some of their calculations, i was gonna make a calc with demon heel and it didn't work, stayed at 3.33, so i would assume that demon heel took you to 5.0 but idk
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Bashmaster - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm a BM... i'm 3.33 unsparked and with lv10 heel i'm 4.0 ._.
    calc is wrong with some of their calculations, i was gonna make a calc with demon heel and it didn't work, stayed at 3.33, so i would assume that demon heel took you to 5.0 but idk

    There is no difference between lvl 11 and lvl 10 cyclone heel for demon path. At 3.33 unsparked with lvl 10 you'll go to 4.0, and with lvl 11 you'll go to 4.0.
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  • Zenorx - Harshlands
    Zenorx - Harshlands Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I used to glitch cyclone - > fire glitch - > crit glitch in pvp

    cant do that anymore though which is just lame D:
  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    QuietKitteh - Lost City wrote: »
    ORIGINAL lv 10 cyclone lasts 15sec, sage is 20...

    Ah. Wasn't looking at descriptions when I ranted, and I haven't... Used Cyclone in... weeks? So... Sage Cyclone honestly is more useful to a 3.33 Sage than Demon Cyclone is to a 3.33 Demon.

    That's about all there is to it.
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Lv 11 Cyclone Heel gives about a 20% damage increase.

    I dunno about the rest of you, but a full AOE cycle for me is Drake Sweep, Highland Cleave, Fissure, and Cyclone Heel.

    Unless your Cyclone Heel doesn't aoe like mine?
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Lv 11 Cyclone Heel gives about a 20% damage increase.

    I dunno about the rest of you, but a full AOE cycle for me is Drake Sweep, Highland Cleave, Fissure, and Cyclone Heel.

    Unless your Cyclone Heel doesn't aoe like mine?

    Highland Cleave and Fissure are Axe only skills. Why the hell would you switch from axes to fists/claws in the middle of AOEing mobs/whatever?
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  • Zanryu - Dreamweaver
    Zanryu - Dreamweaver Posts: 7,261 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Highland Cleave and Fissure are Axe only skills. Why the hell would you switch from axes to fists/claws in the middle of AOEing mobs/whatever?

    Um..to use Cyclone Heel while your other AoEs are on cooldown? o.o
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    H.Cleave>D.Sweep>Fissure>*tap a direction to not auto*>H.Cleave>Cyclone/Fan>...
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Highland Cleave and Fissure are Axe only skills. Why the hell would you switch from axes to fists/claws in the middle of AOEing mobs/whatever?

    I'm unsure if you've really played the BM in your signature then? It's really fast and simple and almost perfect timing inbetween cooldowns.
    H.Cleave>D.Sweep>Fissure>*tap a direction to not auto*>H.Cleave>Cyclone/Fan>...

    In the time it takes to line them up with fan...ew. Don't get me wrong I used to do that in the "Axe only!" days two years ago, but cyclone switch is way more easier and efficient given you can skip positioning.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Higland Cleave > Fissure > Drake Sweep > Fan of Flames > Rinse and repeat

    What I use every time I start AoE'ing on large pulls. (Usually dragons at the start if I have chi)
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