Minimum Requirements for veno for Nirvana?

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

I legitimately levelled this char and my veno (now 98) into their 90's before I levelled the rest of the way using FC. All quests are done too......

I decided to stop levelling my cleric for a while until my veno can get to Nirvana to make money and also to do something different obviously, thinking the veno can do both regular and caster.

I went demon on my veno because I asked a long time ago and no one could come up with a preference for the type of veno they wanted with them in Nirvana.

My veno has a herc and gears are TT90. I get the impression that this gear isnt sufficient for Nirvana and also that the herc has no use in there.

My question is this. What is the minimum requirments Im going to need in Nirvana. What pet skills might be useful if any - mag or pdef debuffs for example? Until I can better afford it, will level 10 of amp and purge suffice or should I sell my mother-in-law and buy the level 11's?

Are any apothecary potions or faction base potions essential or just very useful?

Thanks in advance - I really really dont wanna be a fail veno in Nirvana.

As long as you know how to amp, purge, and keep that ****ing pet of yours in the bag...pretty much any squad will welcome you b:victory.

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

LOL - and I dont actually LOL that often......hahahah

I was thinking of correctly skilling my shadau cub cause its tiny and shouldn't get in anyones way.....

Well it's not about the size that will **** a lot of people off on the bosses, it's such that when the bosses do their AoE seal (all of the NV bosses do this), the pet will always run away unless the veno is very capable with the pet and can control any sort of movement it might make to run from the boss via a seal.

But most veno's can't, don't, or haven't learned how to do this to a degree where they can keep the pet out in a nirvana run.



The main issue I have with pets is that every time I have one out in the squad i'm with for nirvana, the boss does the AoE seal and bam the pet goes running and so does the boss. This interrupts anybody's DD who wasn't sealed (resist or miss), which means the bosses can actually take up to 3 minutes longer to kill because the DD team (usually APS) ends up having to chase after the boss and run around like headless chickens.

Now this isn't to say that the pet won't be useful for some bosses (i.e. Chicken boss and his fire spawning), but the majority of the time (even though a lot of veno's will argue that the pet is a "Good DD") the pet is a hassle for the main DD team of the run.

The only requirement is being level 100. You don't need really great gear to run Nirvana and we've often brought in a veno just to amp and purge. >5khp would be nice, but not required.

Caster squads tend to be more picky about your weapon, because they actually care about your damage. Regular squads just care if you can amp/purge/pass sparks. I sold a kidney and my car to get sage amp, but since you aren't sage you can probably get on just fine with level 10.

If you're running with an aps squad, stuff dies so fast that your pet might as well just be there for decoration. b:chuckle

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

I legitimately levelled this char and my veno (now 98) into their 90's before I levelled the rest of the way using FC. All quests are done too......

Quests are never all done.

I decided to stop levelling my cleric for a while until my veno can get to Nirvana to make money and also to do something different obviously, thinking the veno can do both regular and caster.

Any caster can do both.

I went demon on my veno because I asked a long time ago and no one could come up with a preference for the type of veno they wanted with them in Nirvana.

That isn't a reason.

My veno has a herc and gears are TT90. I get the impression that this gear isnt sufficient for Nirvana and also that the herc has no use in there.

Sufficient for Nirvana, not sufficient for any squad I'd wanna be in. The only instance I know where a pet isn't useful is Warsong. Learn to recall your pet when sealed, and stay close to the boss so you don't **** off the melee by breaking perma-spark.

My question is this. What is the minimum requirments Im going to need in Nirvana.

Level 100 toon with 1 Nirvana Palace Key.

What pet skills might be useful if any - mag or pdef debuffs for example?

Bash for extra dmg

Until I can better afford it, will level 10 of amp and purge suffice or should I sell my mother-in-law and buy the level 11's?

There is no benefit in Nirvana to have L11 purge, and any L100 toon should have no problem affording L11 Amp within a month if not a week.

EmeraldFire - Lost City wrote: »

I will remember that Michael next time I need NV runs D=

Awww. Emmy

I absolutely hate Nirvana. You'll only find me running it if, for example, you needed your 99 key quest... and I'd insist that you keep my share too.

b:cute

Concerning gear:
When it comes to normal Nirvana it doesn't matter all that much because APS people will have aggro except for a few hits you might get once in a while due to the random aggro thing bosses have but you can easily survive that with potions, AD, bramble hood and such. I'd advice you to try and have over 5k because **** happens. Usually, people don't care for the Venomancer's weapon there but for the debuffs.

When it comes to Caster Nirvana, things are different. You need decent DD power (so they ask for good weapons) otherwise it takes long. You also need good gear, it may be Caster but bosses spawn mobs with significant physical damage (including physical debuffs) and, of course, good HP. Anything over 5k should be fine at the start but you'd need to eventually improve your Venomancer over time.

It depends a lot on the squad itself, though. If squad's good, then the run will be smooth.


Concerning pet:
Unless you are able to halt/call pet back and, in other words, control it well then it's better to keep it in bag. Sometimes, though, squads may not be bothered by it so if they ask you to take it out you may choose to either do it or explain to them why you don't do it.

Also, Hercules. The other pets can't survive (unless they have the buffs). For the Phoenix (aka chicken) boss you better use a ranged pet. It's so much better for the reason that the boss moves a lot and spawns fires. Unless you're unlucky and have the fire spawn on your pet, it will hardly ever move (unless sealed) and it will be DDing non-stop.


Concerning skills:
Well, it depends. Some people are fine with any Amplify but other squads ask for lvl11 one (either Sage of Demon. The difference between them isn't all that big). The latter may as well be the ones asking for a good weapon. You may have to join non 5.0 APS squads at first while you work your way up to better gear and skills.

Camp Auction House (not literally speaking) for demon skills. Sometimes you may find good deals and that's pretty much what I did. I waited patiently for good and cheap skills to appear in the AH. I refused to hit 100 without having most of my demon skills but considering the current times you may not have that much time available to wait. With BH rewards you could sponsor yourself for the skills.

I didn't buy Demon Amplify myself but it was a gift, however, sometimes you can find it for only 6mil since many people don't consider it that worth it (possibly due to the wrong description it has in-game). Abbadon, correct me if I'm wrong, has a chance to drop the skillbook. You can try running some free-wine-books-mine BHs. I do that and I was lucky twice getting skill books 20mil worth of coin. So even if it's not Amplify, you might get another profitable skill.

I did cube to get Demon Parasitic Nova. I was lucky and got it with a second try (aka two months) and along the way I also got some ecstasies and EXP, it was worth it. Extra mini-HF is nice sometimes.

Cube skill book also includes Lending Hand and you better get that one. For the cooldown alone, it's worth every damn cent.

Bramble Guard is also a nice skill to have. 75% reflected damage and it's not that expensive. You may find it for only 4mil. Other nice skill to have is Crush Vigor, to keep your chi up, and it's fairly cheap. May find it for only 500k. Also, Myriad Rainbow, both skills, and spam them as much as possible (then use Crush Vigor for the chi).

There are also several Venomancer tips related threads, about Nirvana even, so take a look at the Venomancer sub-forums. I also included some information about it in my article "Role of the Venomancer" on pw wiki. Because, gear aside, skill matters the most. If you're good, they'll take you again. If you're a bad Venomancer, not even rank 9 will convince them b:chuckle


Sorry for the wall of text b:surrender

You shouldve went sage.

MageMERC - Harshlands wrote: »

Thanks very much Desdi - your wall of text is invaluable.

And yeah, as I said before I asked around about demon or sage and no one had a preference, so honestly I chose demon because this cleric is demon so I can double up on all quests.....

I went demon on my first veno, then was told I should have picked sage.

So I rerolled a new veno. b:shutup

Desdi explained it pretty well.

And if you go any cultivation just because someone tells you or to vana, you're just b:shutup

I don't mind which cultivation the fox girls I run with are. Amp, purge, pass sparks, be a good support veno and DD, that's fine with me.