80+ barbs and clerics do full FC runs, don't buy heads!!!

BloodyNero - Raging Tide · January 2012

This has been a problem for quite a while. My BM's in his 80s looking for a squad to do FC. Got a seeker, 1 sin(demon), an archer.....and i kept on world chatting and local shouting for 80+ barbs and clerics. The hunt went on for maybe an hour or 2 but no barb or cleric. In the end I asked my friend who was a 93 cleric to come with us to which she agreed. We got a barb, barbs computer crashed so meh we didn't have a barb.

Now the thing i really wanna point out is that, i actually sell FC heads on my sin. While i do that i usually prefer selling them in the 60-70s range or less but sometimes i have to sell it in the 80s-90 range due to meh. Funny thing is that alot of my 80-90s customers include atleast 1 barb and then maybe the another time i can find a cleric buying my heads.

But fact is either a barb or a cleric is found buying my heads, while a bunch of 80-90 people are waiting in snowy looking for barbs and clerics. I can only imagine how many barbs and clerics are plvling from 80-90, which really is pissing me off x.x

So my appeal to all the clerics and barbs, can u guys come to snowy and join the people who level up the fun way by doing a full FC run?

Edit: By full runs i'm referring to full runs upto the heads room

Tsukyini - Raging Tide · January 2012

Why would I choose to suffer through a run with a group of random and possibly migraine inducing individuals when I can just spend 250k for heads and then go on about my activities?

Actually, I can solo FC for myself with my sin, but with heads being sold so cheaply, I actually save money by just buying from someone else.

BloodyNero - Raging Tide · January 2012

Cuz this is an mmorpg, as in massive mutiplayer online role playing game, the point of the game is to play with others......unless u're only here so u can level up a char to OPness and place it on a shelf as a showpiece and maybe do casters nirvana when 2x comes.

Even i have a lvl 100 sin and i can buy heads from 80-100, but lol the fun of squading together with random folks, having fun,dying together, figuring out a way to finish FC.... it's what the game was designed as, doing things with random people.

If u wanted to play a game where u don't have to join up with random people and do dungeons try skyrim or any single player game...mmorpgs aren't for u. And if u just want to hang out with friends, make fake accounts on facebook and hang out there instead. You're wasting your time playing this game. But again what u do isn't my call

I'm just saying u're missing on alot of good stuff by fast forwarding through the game and in the process give a hard time to the others too.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · January 2012

BloodyNero - Raging Tide wrote: »

So my appeal to all the clerics and barbs, can u guys come to snowy and join the people who level up the fun way by doing a full FC run?

I hope you see your own contradiction.

Trying to tell a hyper-nub to not be a hyper-nub? Yeah, that doesn't work so well.

BloodyNero - Raging Tide · January 2012

Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »

Trying to tell a hyper-nub to not be a hyper-nub? Yeah, that doesn't work so well.

ikr

, i need better way to put it

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver · January 2012

The real problem on my server, from what i've seen, is clerics and barbs are an endangered species..
Sushi with Daggers.. everywhere.. x.x
Before my memory stick with the game broke, I was in a squad with 3 sins, a seeker, and a psy. Psy insisted she could heal, and seeker could tank.
We wiped at first boss... failz.
I'd rather do a whole FC with my faction than strangers now.. b:surrender.

In no way do I think psys are **** healers though(I have my own), just adding. They can be an OK back up with their bubble of life should a cleric be IHing a barb.

Pensil - Harshlands · January 2012

Nobody is doing full FF run anymore, people stop after heads

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When doing full FF run in range 80-90, 2 runs are enough to level up. There will be much more fail Clerics, Mystics and Barbs, who don't know their limits when pulling, and don't know when to put BB.
I don't get people that want only EXP from Big Room. There is so many more EXP from bosses and other mobs.
And Mystics are just fine for FF, can heal as good as Cleric.

The other part of the problems are people that don't have good gear before lvl 90. I've seen many lvl 60-90 Barbs that used NPC and drops gear b:shocked

John_Smith - Harshlands · January 2012

You appear to have discovered why I've been levelling my wizard slow as balls.

Just deal with it man, people are not going to stop buying or selling heads, theyre too lazy to work out that full runs with even half competent squads are more money efficient, even if not time efficient. Sorry

~I tanked the whole big pull on my Wiz today, because the BM didnt understand that stun means stun. Thank all that is holy for MS not failing me and Absolute Domain stopping me dying b:shocked

SubtleSpeed - Lost City · January 2012

Full runs are useless now unless you breeze through the bosses with hypers rolling from big room. Ever since the goons exp was cut, the only things that give good exp after big room are the bosses.

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver · January 2012

Truth is sometimes we get free big rooms....also at 250k spot it is very attractive to a barb since otherwise pots an repairs cost...so don't expect barbs to do much actuall fc running.

Kinda the same deal with clerics

John_Smith - Harshlands · January 2012

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Truth is sometimes we get free big rooms....also at 250k spot it is very attractive to a barb since otherwise pots an repairs cost...so don't expect barbs to do much actuall fc running.

Kinda the same deal with clerics

Repairs are **** all. I can break -all- of my gear to 0 durability and it costs only about 280k to repair, I don't get this bull that barbs spit out about their huge repair costs. And pots are jack **** as well, 30-45k for 50 herbs that will likely last you 2 or more runs.

There is no situation aside a really awful squad that buying FC is cheaper. And in those cases you can just type "Sorry, squads just too bad, bye" and leave.

magicsabre · January 2012

BloodyNero - Raging Tide wrote: »

Cuz this is an mmorpg, ... fun of squading together with random folks, having fun,dying together ...

It is interesting, of course.

BloodyNero - Raging Tide · January 2012

FC heads give me 19% exp for a lvl 84....so 250k for 19% exp, full FC runs (upto heads room) give more than double the exp...the cost of repairs and crabs aren't half as high as 250k....400k for FC heads,boss,mobs....the sin actually giving them is gonna nerf every1. Point being, buy FC ain't gonna come near as economical as doing a run to the heads room except save ur time in exchange fr money and at the cost of fun

BloodyNero - Raging Tide · January 2012

John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »

Repairs are **** all. I can break -all- of my gear to 0 durability and it costs only about 280k to repair, I don't get this bull that barbs spit out about their huge repair costs. And pots are jack **** as well, 30-45k for 50 herbs that will likely last you 2 or more runs.

There is no situation aside a really awful squad that buying FC is cheaper. And in those cases you can just type "Sorry, squads just too bad, bye" and leave.

I've wondered the same too, I mean yesterday i did the slash pull and the the pull b4 the 1st boss on my BM and considering that BMs and barbs share the same gear, i don't understand how barbs are stating even 100k repair bills after just 1 run. But i've never played a barb in FC so not my place to judge that, but just wonder.
Plus as long as the barb knows how to pull properly, the cleric's gonna be safe. And how do barbs learn to pull properly? By doing full runs to the heads room, clerics are a must for those....sure the 1st or 2nd runs can turn fail but the rest runs get easy the more experienced the players are.

John_Smith - Harshlands · January 2012

BloodyNero - Raging Tide wrote: »

I've wondered the same too, I mean yesterday i did the slash pull and the the pull b4 the 1st boss on my BM and considering that BMs and barbs share the same gear, i don't understand how barbs are stating even 100k repair bills after just 1 run. But i've never played a barb in FC so not my place to judge that, but just wonder.
Plus as long as the barb knows how to pull properly, the cleric's gonna be safe. And how do barbs learn to pull properly? By doing full runs to the heads room, clerics are a must for those....sure the 1st or 2nd runs can turn fail but the rest runs get easy the more experienced the players are.

Precisely.

I dont blame some people for hating random 8x squads (They tend to be average to awful), but the bit that gets me is people over 85 / 90 still buying FC.... I mean I can tank bosses if needs must as a damn Wizard it must be **** for any barb with some +3 TT90 and flawless Cits.

Depresses me for the logical reason more than the simple "group = fun" reason you seem to be more annoyed by, but it results to the same thing : Buying / Selling FC is just making it ****ter for anyone who wants to play the sodding game.

Decus - Dreamweaver · January 2012

You know it's humorous to me that you complain about certain classes buying FCs, yet you are part of the problem in selling FCs.

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver · January 2012

*drags Decus out of GC forum*
This is flame country b:avoid back to DW forum you go!>>

Must - Lost City · January 2012

simple solution make a barb , get 100 get aps then get another acount then do fc for urself b:victory

Renza - Raging Tide · January 2012

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why would I choose to suffer through a run with a group of random and possibly migraine inducing individuals when I can just spend 250k for heads and then go on about my activities?

Actually, I can solo FC for myself with my sin, but with heads being sold so cheaply, I actually save money by just buying from someone else.

Yes keep buying heads, that means on the times I bother to log on the game and use my mystic, that means more chance of me getting into a squad and playing healer better than most clerics

Flamespirit - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Truth is sometimes we get free big rooms....also at 250k spot it is very attractive to a barb since otherwise pots an repairs cost...so don't expect barbs to do much actuall fc running.

Kinda the same deal with clerics

I could see how its attractive to a barb in some situations, but its 100% cheaper to just do a run as a cleric, I got this cleric from 80-90 with 1 set of hypers by not doing heads as I remember, about 3 runs a day, took about 2 weeks or so lol, each run I would use about 5-10 of the lvl 75 herbs at max, now those are some cheap runs, much better than tossing 250k-500k at some mug selling exp.

Decus - Dreamweaver · January 2012

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »

*drags Decus out of GC forum*
This is flame country b:avoid back to DW forum you go!>>

DW sub-forum won't be interesting till after TW when the drama starts. Till then, I'll remain here.

Esnemyl - Dreamweaver · January 2012

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

DW sub-forum won't be interesting till after TW when the drama starts. Till then, I'll remain here.

Dangit

I'm stuck in a cupboard for the next week, theres no good maths teachers here, just a trusty computer system that hasn't banned the site ><

OT: I've never bene in a squad with bought heads, I've been lucky enough, most of the time, to be in a good squad. On the first page, that only happens rarely to mehs.

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver · January 2012

While being a cleric (and probably a barb) can be bad, any class an be hell in a bad FC squad. Buying heads at 80+ where you can not only do a full FC run for less, but get more EXP doing so is just dump.

What I don't get is so many B+M+H (full big room) squads specifically asking for a cleric or barb or something. So your basically paying someone for the room, and you still have to do what you'd normally do in a normal FC, but it costs more and grants you less exp.

BloodyNero - Raging Tide · January 2012

Decus - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You know it's humorous to me that you complain about certain classes buying FCs, yet you are part of the problem in selling FCs.

Like i said, i'm usually sell it in the 60-70 or 70-80 range. It's sad to see lvl 80s wanting to buy heads. for some classes ok, it's hard getting any squads, but 80+ barbs and clerics buying heads? Sure u have high lvl sins or whatever but what's the point of being a healer when u're never gonna heal any1, or being a puller when u're never gonna pull anything.

@Esnemyl WTB Dreamweaver squads to RT

Annonrae - Sanctuary · January 2012

John_Smith - Harshlands wrote: »

Repairs are **** all. I can break -all- of my gear to 0 durability and it costs only about 280k to repair, I don't get this bull that barbs spit out about their huge repair costs. And pots are jack **** as well, 30-45k for 50 herbs that will likely last you 2 or more runs.

Barbs / Pullers complaining about repair costs is directly linked to how efficient your squad is. Godawful noobsquads where everything goes wrong aside, if your squad doesn't have enough power to kill those huge ( or any ) pulls swiftly, mobs might be hitting the Barb / Puller for a long time, thus causing higher repair costs.

I repair after every instance so I have a pretty good idea on my BM at least how much of a beating my gear takes.

1 FCC run done on lvl 96 BM with average gear ( Mountcrasher, no particular expensive items or OP gear ), 2 Psys, Cleric, Veno, Archer in squad - repair cost: 11k and a few coins. Why? Because stuff was literally dead the moment my BM stopped, stunned and HF'd.

Went out, repaired.

1 FCC run done on same lvl 96 BM with same gear, half an hour later, again being the designated Puller despite my poor ~7k HP, not bad or noobish but less powerful squad, etc....47k repair cost and the run took twice as long.

It's nowhere near the 200k+ mark I've seen mentioned everywhere in regards to FCC, including world chat, but I'd imagine that a Barb my BM's level will take on larger pulls than I dare, and subsequently take more of a beating if their squad isn't very good, DD-wise.

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That said, what I'd like to know is why everyone, not just [insert class here], is willing to skip the chance at gaining a - yes, rare, but not unobtainable - nice ornament.

So people are peeved about not being able to powerlevel on Dragoons, but then they go ahead and skip 5 ( Syren, Chicken-on-a-Ball, Phoenix, Holeen x2 ) more bosses ( more exp to be had ) and a possible 12-15 million coin ( on Sanctuary at least, last time I checked )? As well as the Exp/Spirit you get for actually, y'know, doing the quests that are supposed to point you toward FCC as an instance in the first place?

I've run with lvl 99+ toons who have *never* gone past Heads room. I've met two people ( one a Cleric, one a Sin ) who didn't know there *was* anything past that room and went all "O_O :O THERE'S MORE?" when the squad did full run.

Makes no sense to me. Sure, 90% of the time the rewards you get for turning in Sincerity and Faithfulness aren't really worth it, but it's not as if those ornies are omgwtfultra-rare and *never* drop from the chests.

/not trying to derail topic, just adding my 2 cents, apologies for the WoT

Xainou - Sanctuary · January 2012

I never bought heads. I either run the FCC itself or jump on a free faction run that has a spot. The cleric I made as healing alt however, doesn't run normal FCC. He tags along with my friend and my bm cleaning the instance.
Sure, I could run normal FCC. But then again, the trouble of finding a barb/seeker and a good group... No ty.

I think it's funny that you say selling heads to barbs and clerics should be banned. That won't fix the problem. Your problem is the community. If it's easier and faster to just buy FCC, why would you go through the trouble of finding a good squad? Unless heads sellers stop selling, your problem will exist. And banning that isn't the solution either. People will just drag their alts through themselves or plevel them with another method.

Imo, part of the problem is that people are so stuck up. You don't need a BARB/CLERIC for FCC. No, a decently geared or mystic can do the job. If you're just willing to think and adapt. But that's what people don't want to. They NEED a barb and cleric. Maybe doing the pulls a little smaller or slower? No.
There are 2 tank classes and 2 healer classes. And 6 DD classes. Of course you will always have more DDs looking for FCC than you can find a main class.

I'm all in favor of people just running FCC normally from 80 on but yea, I don't blame them either if they don't. It's a shame but on the other hand, I know how fked up it can be to get a good squad going.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · January 2012

BloodyNero - Raging Tide wrote: »

Like i said, i'm usually sell it in the 60-70 or 70-80 range. It's sad to see lvl 80s wanting to buy heads. for some classes ok, it's hard getting any squads, but 80+ barbs and clerics buying heads? Sure u have high lvl sins or whatever but what's the point of being a healer when u're never gonna heal any1, or being a puller when u're never gonna pull anything.

@Esnemyl WTB Dreamweaver squads to RT

just to clerify we barbs where no puller its not what i signed in for 3 years ago back then my class was tank.

we did not use fist nor did we look at it as alternative now look at how its expected.

no i cant really talk about ep cos i never got past 8x and i prefer barb but old time barb who were just axe barb and i never accept claw as legitimive way to use the barb
then roll a bm.

the old barb would never buy heads tho he would do it with faction.

laloner · January 2012

Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

While being a cleric (and probably a barb) can be bad, any class an be hell in a bad FC squad. Buying heads at 80+ where you can not only do a full FC run for less, but get more EXP doing so is just dump.

What I don't get is so many B+M+H (full big room) squads specifically asking for a cleric or barb or something. So your basically paying someone for the room, and you still have to do what you'd normally do in a normal FC, but it costs more and grants you less exp.

People pay to get a big room full of mobs and the boss?

Ajiuo - Harshlands · January 2012

Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »

Why would I choose to suffer through a run with a group of random and possibly migraine inducing individuals when I can just spend 250k for heads and then go on about my activities?

Actually, I can solo FC for myself with my sin, but with heads being sold so cheaply, I actually save money by just buying from someone else.

^^^ this

so much this.
Only time I ran an FC on my cleric it went down like this...
Attempted to buff everyone. 3 ran away and kept trying to kill mobs even tho i was busy buffing the 2 that stayed with me.
They lured one little group in the halls one at a time, so I couldn't set up bb cus they wouldn't stay in one place... then decided to be rambo squads with aggro thinking I could keep up.
Finally got to first boss, the tank would tickle the boss with 1 skill then run around for god knows what reason. I couldn't heal him cus I'd obviously get heal aggro and then the DD idiots didn't move out of the circles like i told them to, TWICE. After 3rd time trying the boss, I just gave up.

_Ghoul_ - Lost City · January 2012

if i was starting out now i would not make a barb we have sin who are tanks DD tanks.

old time view of when ppl accepted a tank who dealth low damage but could take a beating is long gone.

todays even tho i like to see more barbs in true i prefer ppl made less barb and made sin let barb become more and more rareb:pleased.

and i am gona say it there is no point in making a barb if all he will tank is pre 99
or maybe pre 95+

we can pull but we were TANK of pwi
NOW pwi say tank is DD
so why make barb b:shutup

Blaxton - Raging Tide · January 2012

I have 2 95+ barbs and have done a lot of FCs. Repairs were always around 40~50k for a run until heads, with a good squad (especially at 90+) the cost could be as low as 30~35k, and for a bad squad or a wipe at last boss, it could be as high as 75~100k. And then some crabs too. My repairs were always lower with a good BM because of their stun. Sometimes mobs would die before they even touched me.

I've never bought heads, but I do solo FC for my alts. Even though it takes longer and might even cost the same as buying heads when I add repairs+pots/apoth+charm. But I can do the first big pull which gives a good chunk of exp and I have fun trying different things out.

Sometimes I'm tempted to level a 3rd barb to 89, get Sage or Demon true form and join 80-90 squads when I'm bored. Sure, it sucked when people would just plain fail (one level 80 cleric didn't know what IH or BB was... They only aoe healed on the first boss, which has no aoe attacks lol), or when you get a b*itchy person who'd whine at every little mistake and tell everyone what to do (probably why I tend to solo/duo a lot of things or only run with faction anymore), but I loved the challenge of FC and the reward of making it past all that was the exp gained and the possibility of meeting some nice people.

Maybe a lot of those barbs are just buffer alts? Trying to get 89 for sage BKI lol.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · January 2012

To the opening poster: when you sell heads, I suggest you refuse Barbarians and Clerics that are 80+. Explain to them why you refuse to accept their coin, as it is better for the rest of the server if they do full FF runs while the other classes should be allowed to "buy heads", as it were.

This makes your opinions entirely consistent.

80+ barbs and clerics do full FC runs, don't buy heads!!!

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