3.33 base build

_DieHarD - Dreamweaver
_DieHarD - Dreamweaver Posts: 12 Arc User
edited January 2012 in Blademaster
Hi all,

im here today to ask u pro bms, an nice 3.33 base build(no r8 recast xD), for farming and fun purposes b:laugh...so i know that i need LA+HA pieces and the problem is: what pieces? b:shocked

Im farming for alts(like everyone '-'), and my first alt is going to be: seeker/psy/archer, so if i roll an seeker, i could use, HA boots+bracers, and LA orns so i could stash my gear to seeker, or if i create an archer i could use LA boots+bracers and HA plate and belt xD, and psy i cant stash anything b:surrender

So, need your opinion guys
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Choose any combination that gives -0.4 interval in total. Everything else is just opinion.
  • ZackMystic - Harshlands
    ZackMystic - Harshlands Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Basic build/armor for 3.33 aps http://pwcalc.com/b04a6a70133b32b1
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1033501
    pwcalc.com/bb6fc16982637a5c / pwcalc.com/28948ee5778526f5
  • Niteshadows - Harshlands
    Niteshadows - Harshlands Posts: 583 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwcalc.com/95559be2a892441f
    there u go.
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    ZackMystic - Harshlands wrote: »
    Basic build/armor for 3.33 aps http://pwcalc.com/b04a6a70133b32b1
    Niteshadows - Harshlands wrote: »
    http://pwcalc.com/95559be2a892441f
    there u go.

    Please, no LA ornies builds b:surrender. Squishy BMs that give up defenses for aps.

    http://pwcalc.com/47e1698a4ca4a947 LA wrist and boots, HA belt and armor. Save neck spot for cube neck. 2% less hp than the LA ornie build but 7% more damage reduction from better defenses.
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  • laloner
    laloner Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    _DieHarD - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Hi all,

    im here today to ask u pro bms, an nice 3.33 base build(no r8 recast xD), for farming and fun purposes b:laugh...so i know that i need LA+HA pieces and the problem is: what pieces? b:shocked

    Im farming for alts(like everyone '-'), and my first alt is going to be: seeker/psy/archer, so if i roll an seeker, i could use, HA boots+bracers, and LA orns so i could stash my gear to seeker, or if i create an archer i could use LA boots+bracers and HA plate and belt xD, and psy i cant stash anything b:surrender

    So, need your opinion guys

    A lot of archers get the TT99 neck and belt for the -.05 interval. So if you got that on BM it would be very useful to a future archer as well.
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  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    There really isn't a down side to 2 Piece LA + an HA Ornament for the BM:

    http://pwcalc.com/b502004e3ab70201

    vs

    http://pwcalc.com/259097e3b6145102

    LA has more HP, and more Mdef. Pdef and damage are about the same really. While the LA build might be less flexible and require more gear swapping for a pure survivability build, APS wise it is much better. The HA pieces might win if you refine much higher than you shard, but +10 with 3 vit stones a piece is about as high as most would probably go.
  • LilTriss - Harshlands
    LilTriss - Harshlands Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwcalc.com/43b243d26c8493ef

    Dont fear the LA chest <3
  • ZackMystic - Harshlands
    ZackMystic - Harshlands Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Please, no LA ornies builds b:surrender. Squishy BMs that give up defenses for aps.

    http://pwcalc.com/47e1698a4ca4a947 LA wrist and boots, HA belt and armor. Save neck spot for cube neck. 2% less hp than the LA ornie build but 7% more damage reduction from better defenses.

    This build is for somone just gotten to 99. its the easiest build for fast aps for a lvl 99 i believe :P
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwcalc.com/df867b981c243c91

    b:pleased
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  • XxRagzxx - Sanctuary
    XxRagzxx - Sanctuary Posts: 258 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    http://pwcalc.com/efebd80ebdc0b682

    That's my exact build right there. I also change out my Tide of Elysium boots when I have out axes for better survivability when I'm AOEing.
    Archer Build:
    pwcalc.com/d38eec6e1f27c7a6
    Sin Build:
    pwcalc.com/d74f267d3be72784
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There really isn't a down side to 2 Piece LA + an HA Ornament for the BM:

    http://pwcalc.com/b502004e3ab70201

    vs

    http://pwcalc.com/259097e3b6145102

    LA has more HP, and more Mdef. Pdef and damage are about the same really. While the LA build might be less flexible and require more gear swapping for a pure survivability build, APS wise it is much better. The HA pieces might win if you refine much higher than you shard, but +10 with 3 vit stones a piece is about as high as most would probably go.

    Seriously, that's really a horrible and biased comparison. Why the hell would a HA be wearing evasion orns?

    Compare your LA build to the proper HA build:

    http://pwcalc.com/40302e6da2cdf5e1

    HA build has more HP, higher mdef and more pdef, but you need to be able to afford tome. But if you can afford sharding VIT stones, just get the damn interval tome.

    And if you go R9, you'll be better off than going with a LA hybrid because you'll have less old gear to ditch.

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  • Allynna_ - Dreamweaver
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 254 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Seriously, that's really a horrible and biased comparison. Why the hell would a HA be wearing evasion orns?

    For those who go 4 pieces TT 99 (2 LA, 2 HA) for the set bonus. I've seen quite a few BMs with the Evasion ornaments and one for sure I know is rather good (even though his overall build might be slightly out dated now).

    Considering most builds before my post where aiming for the LA ornaments.

    The vit stones where a bit out of place, example probably works better at +6-7 with G8-9 shards.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Seriously, that's really a horrible and biased comparison. Why the hell would a HA be wearing evasion orns?

    Compare your LA build to the proper HA build:

    http://pwcalc.com/40302e6da2cdf5e1

    HA build has more HP, higher mdef and more pdef, but you need to be able to afford tome. But if you can afford sharding VIT stones, just get the damn interval tome.

    And if you go R9, you'll be better off than going with a LA hybrid because you'll have less old gear to ditch.

    b:bye

    Gotta agree with Allyanna. First, your build had a +10 Lunar magic neck which isn't practical. Go magic cube neck. Second, the HA build with no LA pieces is more oriented towards pvp use where aps is less important. For PvE the HA build with no LA pieces limits you to G13 claws because you either need to get -.1 on G15 or gamble on R8 recast plate for interval. Personally, I am doing the second option right now, will be HA with no LA using R8 recast plate and G15 claws but its a very expensive setup and I will have my LA still on swap for 4.0 base for easy instances where I don't spark much. Not something I recommend to a people looking for easy 5 aps. I'd also argue further that LA hybrid is greater than pure HA with a tome because of 4 aps base. Things die quicker, you take less damage. The defenses are comprable, you just have 20% more damage and 600 less hp when unsparked.

    Allyanna is right. Most people who go plan on going the pure HA route and adding the pants or tome later end up getting the LA ornies, which is stupid. At low refines there really is no hp difference but there is a huge defense loss compared to LA wrist and boots. Its a cheaper setup, a more survivable setup, and allows you to transfer 3/4 pieces to a sin/archer, and can transfer the entire setup to a barb/seeker.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    First, HA evasion build is horrible. Evasion is broken and doesn't work properly so spending gold mats to make worthless ornaments just for the sake of interval is lame. LA hybrid is far superior to that stupid HA build.

    And right now, going LA Hybrid is stupid because if you go R9 you're throwing away extra gear that if you just went out and farmed money to buy tome you wouldn't be wasting.

    As for CV neck, I just put that as a nicer mdef ornament. Duh. Anyway, its easily farmable so I put that there. I farmed mine and like it quite well and I see no point upgrading to the lowest cube neck. Feel free to even replace it with the Swindlers, it's still better than either of the builds that were posted.

    4aps base is useless. In PvP I guess it's good if you're killing baddies with horrible defenses or lowbies, or just like killing horrible PvPers for the lulz, but anyone with a full G15 set or full R9 is basically just going to laugh at 4aps fist/claws.

    Seriously, if you can't afford tome, go for LA hybrid. If you can, you're far better off in PvP and PvE if you go HA, you have better HP, higher defenses and higher base attack and you can feel free to change whatever mdef ornaments I have with other ones, the HA build is still overall better in every respect unless you go for some fantasy build.

    If you're going pure farming build, it doesn't really matter what you do as you can derp almost anything in this game as long as you have about 10k unbuffed hp.


    http://pwcalc.com/1eb992667834ca1f

    So the money you would save not buying those horrible gold mats for neck and belt, you get the cheaper neck and the free 4th map belt and use that money towards the tome. You're still better off, albiet a bit more expensive.

    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Gotta agree with Allyanna.

    And you also contradict yourself. Lets see if you even notice.

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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Not going to quote your tl:dr post but I'll recap. All three of us agree LA ornies suck and shouldn't be used. OP is asking for 2 things; an efficient farming build and gear she can share with either an archer or a seeker. It's why most off us already discredited the LA ornies and suggested the hybrid build. Its cheap and sharable. R9 isn't a priority for aps farming builds so why are you bringing it up? Its not cheap, not sharable, and its not really endgame for a farming aps BM.

    The build you posted is hinged around a 350-450 mil tome which isn't practical before making a farming character. Remove the tome and you are a 4 aps build which isn't what the OP asked for. If we were going to suggest fantasy builds mine would look like This but I'm not going to present that as an option because I don't think its what the OP is looking for, just like I don't think your build is much of an option despite the constant comparisons we're making. I agree that with a tome the HA build is more practical for pvp. Again, the OP isn't looking for any of the information you're offering, they're looking for a PvE build and the hybrid build is more practical with or without a tome because in instances you aren't sparked 95% of the time so its a 20% boost in damage from 3.33 aps to 4 aps as well as more consistant paint heals. The defensive difference between HA and hybrid with a tome is about 3%hp and 1% more pdef and mdef reduction self buffed, but the offensive difference is 20%. That's why I'd consider it (for PvE purposes) better offensively, better defensively, and cheaper.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not going to quote your tl:dr post but I'll recap.

    I won't quote yours either but I'll recap your position.

    You're comparing a LA hybrid build to a failed HA build and saying "it's better". Duh, because you're comparing a viable build to a fail one? Derp.

    My point was, you're comparing a fail build to a viable one and that's not fair. I'm wrong? Derp 2.

    This is about a 3.33 base thread, so your 4.0 comments were even more stupid than the position you're taking. 4.0 is meaningless. Derp 3.

    And seriously, I was just basing off the compared builds. If you're gonna put vit stones and have full +10 or better refines, comparing a fail build to a good one... tome isn't anything and you get over 10 levels worth of stat points you can restat most to str or dex, or even vit. And, it's about the cost of G15 or R9 axes. Derp 4.


    So all you're really saying to me is...
    derp derp derp derp


    *pat pat* you get a Scooby Snack. You should be proud.

    So.... how much did you buy that account for?

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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Well, I was comparing using your build so if you want to call it fail...

    Points 1 and 2 are the same point. Good job.

    And I suggest hybrid build to avoid the 300 mil cost of a tome and have a 3.33 base build. I then pointed out that there is 3% less hp and pdef than your build but 20% more offense and better chi gain, and things dieing quicker is better than taking more damage. Btw, ask around on whether 4 aps base is fail or not.

    Think I'm done arguing since you can't follow a conversation and call your own build fail, then trolololol.
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  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Allynna_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    There really isn't a down side to 2 Piece LA + an HA Ornament for the BM:

    http://pwcalc.com/b502004e3ab70201

    vs

    http://pwcalc.com/259097e3b6145102

    LA has more HP, and more Mdef. Pdef and damage are about the same really. While the LA build might be less flexible and require more gear swapping for a pure survivability build, APS wise it is much better. The HA pieces might win if you refine much higher than you shard, but +10 with 3 vit stones a piece is about as high as most would probably go.

    Don't refine LA ornies u goddang noob.
  • ineye11
    ineye11 Posts: 65 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    First, HA evasion build is horrible. Evasion is broken and doesn't work properly so spending gold mats to make worthless ornaments just for the sake of interval is lame. LA hybrid is far superior to that stupid HA build.

    And right now, going LA Hybrid is stupid because if you go R9 you're throwing away extra gear that if you just went out and farmed money to buy tome you wouldn't be wasting.

    As for CV neck, I just put that as a nicer mdef ornament. Duh. Anyway, its easily farmable so I put that there. I farmed mine and like it quite well and I see no point upgrading to the lowest cube neck. Feel free to even replace it with the Swindlers, it's still better than either of the builds that were posted.

    4aps base is useless. In PvP I guess it's good if you're killing baddies with horrible defenses or lowbies, or just like killing horrible PvPers for the lulz, but anyone with a full G15 set or full R9 is basically just going to laugh at 4aps fist/claws.

    Seriously, if you can't afford tome, go for LA hybrid. If you can, you're far better off in PvP and PvE if you go HA, you have better HP, higher defenses and higher base attack and you can feel free to change whatever mdef ornaments I have with other ones, the HA build is still overall better in every respect unless you go for some fantasy build.

    If you're going pure farming build, it doesn't really matter what you do as you can derp almost anything in this game as long as you have about 10k unbuffed hp.


    http://pwcalc.com/1eb992667834ca1f

    So the money you would save not buying those horrible gold mats for neck and belt, you get the cheaper neck and the free 4th map belt and use that money towards the tome. You're still better off, albiet a bit more expensive.




    And you also contradict yourself. Lets see if you even notice.

    b:pleased

    +1 to u dude.

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