Endgame APS weapon?

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Riad - Raging Tide
Riad - Raging Tide Posts: 35 Arc User
edited February 2012 in Blademaster
Simple question, Which is PROVEN better at high end refines:

Deicide, Striking dragons or Regicide?

Price isnt much of an issue so keep that in consideration, also seeing as how TT100 fists come with 2 sockets, does that clinch it? I'm really looking to make a decision within the next 7 days or so.

Personally i love Regicide's look but Striking dragon seems more cost effective. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, what shards should i put? Thanks again.
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  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited December 2011
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    Riad - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Simple question, Which is PROVEN better at high end refines:

    Deicide, Striking dragons or Regicide?

    Price isnt much of an issue so keep that in consideration, also seeing as how TT100 fists come with 2 sockets, does that clinch it? I'm really looking to make a decision within the next 7 days or so.

    Personally i love Regicide's look but Striking dragon seems more cost effective. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, what shards should i put? Thanks again.


    rofl, if you want best then get G13 Regicide. At high end (+10 or better) it will out DD both of the other two (hell at no refine it out DD's a deicide).
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited December 2011
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    Riad - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Simple question, Which is PROVEN better at high end refines:

    Deicide, Striking dragons or Regicide?

    Price isnt much of an issue so keep that in consideration, also seeing as how TT100 fists come with 2 sockets, does that clinch it? I'm really looking to make a decision within the next 7 days or so.

    Personally i love Regicide's look but Striking dragon seems more cost effective. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Also, what shards should i put? Thanks again.


    It honestly doesn't really matter. G15 with interval and +atk level would be the best.

    As for Deicide or SD? I honestly think it's a wash. For Nirvana and bloodpaint, SD. For soloing other bosses, Deicides.

    I would just get Deicides because they won't be bound and something will eventually come out that is better. Plus, Deicdes are dirt cheap compared to decomps + heart of nature.

    If you're that worried about minuta, roll a sin.
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  • Riad - Raging Tide
    Riad - Raging Tide Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2011
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    Thanks for the responses.
  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    SD's and Regicides have higher base damage.
    Deicides and Regicides refine better than SD's.

    SD's have damage adds (crits and +max dmg) so it takes Regicides till +9 to out DD them, and Deicides till +11 till they out DD Striking Dragons. However, you can't quantify vitality or Soul Infect, which are both useful.

    So under +10 refines: SDs, Regicides, Deicides
    +10 Refines: Regicides, SDs, Deicides.
    Over +10 refines: Regicides, Deicides, SDs.

    Endgame PvE aps weapons really are G15 though.
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  • Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide
    Kawaiiiii - Raging Tide Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    I have +10 SD and i had +10 deicides, i like both of them really much but ill go with SD.
    I still have a pair of weaker deicides for soul infect but SD is my main wep.
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  • deathrider35
    deathrider35 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    So since G15 are better than the G13, the Dance of Godess and Peak in the Clouds is better (with the -int) and if u can get the -1 int, which is better, Dance or Peak? And what kinda addons (other than -int since its a must) would be good too?
  • ihatebrunomars
    ihatebrunomars Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    A g15 fist with -.1 int and berserk would be best DD weapon. But the curse effect you get from berserk isn't so good in PvP.

    For PvP, soul infect from g13 is really nice in PvP.
  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    No, berserk is better in PvP while Soul Infect is better suited to PvE. Berserk overrides demon spark which is why it's not such a good choice for BMs (who mostly are demon)
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    ihatebrunomars wrote: »
    A g15 fist with -.1 int and berserk would be best DD weapon. But the curse effect you get from berserk isn't so good in PvP.

    For PvP, soul infect from g13 is really nice in PvP.

    rofl...berserk is like the one of the worst possible stats for a BM....


    Sac Strike, GoF, or +Attk Lvl is the best possible addons.
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    _Perses_ - Lost City wrote: »
    rofl...berserk is like the one of the worst possible stats for a BM....


    Sac Strike, GoF, or +Attk Lvl is the best possible addons.

    lmfao...because SS and GoF are totally available for fists and claws right? b:cute (discounting TT90 >.>)
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    lmfao...because SS and GoF are totally available for fists and claws right? b:cute (discounting TT90 >.>)

    You get what I mean >_>


    Outta the avaible unqiue addons for claws and fists on the second cast the best are...


    +Attk Lvl, Blood Vengance, Revenge + a -int stat or double -int



    Frenzied Rage and Berserk are really only useful if all you plan to do with the weapon is PvP (Though i wouldn't recommend Berserk seeing as it increases the damage taken)
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  • warrioroftherose
    warrioroftherose Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    for the time being intill i see a pair of r8 recast fist with -.1inv with +25 attk or -05 intv with +25attk and +5attk


    G15 vana with -.1 and +20attk is prolly the best fist in game that you can make.


    goodluck on maken either of those b:shockedb:shutup
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  • Mythsoul - Heavens Tear
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    +10 regicide 13481-15369
    86550 dps 20% crit
    +10 Striking dragon 13490-15434
    89664 dps 24% crit

    +12 regicide 16448-18337
    104355 dps 20% crit
    +12 Striking dragon 16039-17984
    105409 dps 24% crit

    ^
    These are the numbers I had saved on my computer when I was making the same decision with my friend, I went striking dragon and I think it's obvious why :P
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    +10 regicide 13481-15369
    86550 dps 20% crit
    +10 Striking dragon 13490-15434
    89664 dps 24% crit

    +12 regicide 16448-18337
    104355 dps 20% crit
    +12 Striking dragon 16039-17984
    105409 dps 24% crit

    ^
    These are the numbers I had saved on my computer when I was making the same decision with my friend, I went striking dragon and I think it's obvious why :P

    Now lets factor in going to G15 with the regicide and posting those numbers so we can have all our bases covered kthnx.
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    +10 regicide 13481-15369
    86550 dps 20% crit
    +10 Striking dragon 13490-15434
    89664 dps 24% crit

    +12 regicide 16448-18337
    104355 dps 20% crit
    +12 Striking dragon 16039-17984
    105409 dps 24% crit

    ^
    These are the numbers I had saved on my computer when I was making the same decision with my friend, I went striking dragon and I think it's obvious why :P

    And the 1k dps difference vs Vit and Soul Infect is why I went with Windpour. My reasoning is that I do a lot more than Nirvana. Saku is very right, its hard to quantify it - but when Soul Infect procs it's damn nice.

    Math wise its 1% difference. 10% knocked off a boss (Talking bosses who are soul-infectable here) is a bit bigger of a bump, and I cant remember the last time I fought a boss that soul infect did not go off on outside of Nirvana.

    Traz brings up a further point, crafting into G15. Last time I priced out SDs they cost as much, or more than G13 Nirvvys. If I read correctly, its 230 raps to go from SDs to G15. 150 to go from G13 to G15. You're also spending more cash.

    If the % was better on R8 Recast we'd be talking that though. Saw a nice set the other night with -int, I asked how many recasts it took but they were afk.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Like I said before, it doesn't really matter.

    If you're endgame BM gets into a party, you're not a DD you're a dragon bi*ch for sins who can DD.
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  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Like I said before, it doesn't really matter.

    If you're endgame BM gets into a party, you're not a DD you're a dragon bi*ch for sins who can DD.

    It's sad because it's true.
  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Like I said before, it doesn't really matter.

    If you're endgame BM gets into a party, you're not a DD you're a dragon bi*ch for sins who can DD.

    Less repair bill for you right?
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  • _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver
    _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 753 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Dance of Godess - reality
    Interval Between Hits -0.05 seconds
    Interval Between Hits -0.05 seconds
    Atk. Level +20

    ijs
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  • Hurrdurr - Lothranis
    Hurrdurr - Lothranis Posts: 1,468 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    R8 recast fists

    +25 attack levels
    -0.05
    -0.05
    -0.05
    -0.05

    Ijs.
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    R8 recast fists

    +25 attack levels
    -0.05
    -0.05
    -0.05
    -0.05


    Ijs.

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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Less repair bill for you right?

    Actually it's fun not being tank anymore. Seeing what demon dragons does for a couple of R9 sins is amazing.
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  • Traz - Dreamweaver
    Traz - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Michael_Dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually it's fun not being tank anymore. Seeing what demon dragons does for a couple of R9 sins is amazing.

    Good, now every time you try and make it seem like being "just a demon HF b*tich* is a bad thing I shall quote you and I shall say "in bed." b:pleased
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  • _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver
    _Nerox_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 753 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Hurrdurr - Lothranis wrote: »
    R8 recast fists

    +25 attack levels
    -0.05
    -0.05
    -0.05
    -0.05

    Ijs.


    but r8 recast only have 4 addons, where 1 is unique
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/32269

    So:
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    Interval Between Hits -0.05
    Interval Between Hits -0.05
    Atk. Level +25
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  • Riad - Raging Tide
    Riad - Raging Tide Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Thanks for all the replies, Just hit 100 yesterday so i'll be looking to make a decision soon :)
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Traz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Good, now every time you try and make it seem like being "just a demon HF b*tich* is a bad thing I shall quote you and I shall say "in bed." b:pleased

    That's fine by me.

    b:pleased
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  • FateBlade - Lost City
    FateBlade - Lost City Posts: 519 Arc User
    edited February 2012
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    Rank8 recast armor (with interval) and warsoul claws/fists.
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  • Daftajr - Lost City
    Daftajr - Lost City Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2012
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    It's offtopic but if ya have time, you can try the imposible: http://pwcalc.com/89c2fd380ecb288c
  • _Perses_ - Lost City
    _Perses_ - Lost City Posts: 1,917 Arc User
    edited February 2012
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    Daftajr - Lost City wrote: »
    It's offtopic but if ya have time, you can try the imposible: http://pwcalc.com/89c2fd380ecb288c

    Ok....I would laugh if I saw that in game...but I can imagine somebody, somewhere, will try and get it XD

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    Daftajr - Lost City wrote: »
    It's offtopic but if ya have time, you can try the imposible: http://pwcalc.com/89c2fd380ecb288c

    Fixed http://pwcalc.com/c1f9ab5494bcbc3f
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