Why Must Ppl sell FC so low now? QQ

_Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide
_Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide Posts: 26 Arc User
edited January 2012 in General Discussion
I can't make any money hardly >.< Crabmeat, Hp Charms, and Tokens go up, while ppl sell heads so low we have to sell even lower to compete. b:cry
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  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    If the costs outweigh the benefits, I'd suggest doing something else.
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  • Sarrafeline - Sanctuary
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary Posts: 4,661 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If the costs outweigh the benefits, I'd suggest doing something else.

    This.

    The economy blows chunks in this game, especially right now coming off some massive sales. I've moved 243 tokens in my shop, and sold one ring. In a week.

    Competition is high, prices are high, people aren't selling or buying anything. Hell, even I'm not buying stuff right now.
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  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Ash our economy is completely messed up right now after that massive x2 plus holiday sales. The reason people are selling heads so low is because people aren't buying. So they lower their prices to get ANYTHING, so their effort isnt completely wasted.

    People aren't buying heads because hypers are selling for nearly 100k each right now. That's high, people aren't used to spending that kind of money on them. Crabs, herbs, tele's, are also high. The prices of these are high because everyone jacked the prices of their tokens up. Tokens went up because this pack sale isn't as cheap as the last one.

    I'm like Sarra, i have moved VERY little this week, because the prices are screwed. (Though I did find some poor guy who forgot to add a zero onto the end of his uncannies he was selling, but that's just luck on my behalf)

    Wait a bit, try doing something else for a while. I've seen quite a bit of requests for TM69 on our WC lately. If that's something you could do, try that for now?
  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ash our economy is completely messed up right now after that massive x2 plus holiday sales. The reason people are selling heads so low is because people aren't buying. So they lower their prices to get ANYTHING, so their effort isnt completely wasted.

    Heads sell for so low at this point that IMHO you're better off just getting the exp from the heads for yourself.

    In other words, we know the sale price is low. If you aren't actually trying to level yourself, you may as well just avoid FC altogether until prices go back up to what you consider an acceptable amount. Or, perhaps instead of selling just heads, sell the whole "run", i.e. let the buyer follow you from start to heads. I think the last I saw, that was going for 1.5-2mil or so.
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  • _Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide
    _Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Ash our economy is completely messed up right now after that massive x2 plus holiday sales. The reason people are selling heads so low is because people aren't buying. So they lower their prices to get ANYTHING, so their effort isnt completely wasted.

    People aren't buying heads because hypers are selling for nearly 100k each right now. That's high, people aren't used to spending that kind of money on them. Crabs, herbs, tele's, are also high. The prices of these are high because everyone jacked the prices of their tokens up. Tokens went up because this pack sale isn't as cheap as the last one.

    I'm like Sarra, i have moved VERY little this week, because the prices are screwed. (Though I did find some poor guy who forgot to add a zero onto the end of his uncannies he was selling, but that's just luck on my behalf)

    Wait a bit, try doing something else for a while. I've seen quite a bit of requests for TM69 on our WC lately. If that's something you could do, try that for now?


    I think ima just stop soloing fc for a while >.< prolly just do it to lvl up alts or something b:surrender
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  • _Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide
    _Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Would be nice if prices would calm down and be regulated again b:sad
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  • Divine_Death - Harshlands
    Divine_Death - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited January 2012
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    Maybe with you morons out of the way I'll actually not have to spend 20 teles just to barely make an 8X normal FC.
  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Greed. b:pleased
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  • laloner
    laloner Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Was selling FC ever a great money making idea? I think a lot of people sell the heads room because they are leveling their own toon up and then decide to make a little on the side selling heads. I say this cuz some of the ppl I see selling heads are extreme cash shoppers with no money needs. I figure they just did it for the experience and got to the big room and decided what the heck make a little money here too.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    _Ashleigh_ - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Why Must Ppl sell FC so low now? QQ

    Because half the server can solo frost these days?

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  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
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    People aren't buying heads because hypers are selling for nearly 100k each right now. ...

    Each of Hyperstones can be exchanged by 8 Perfect Tokens of Luck.

    So, 1 Hyperstone cost 80k if price of Perfect Token of Luck is equal to 10k.

    And people "aren't buying heads" because everyone who has high level character with good equipment can sell heads himself or do it himself/in squad for free (see above post of Michael_Dark - Lost City).
  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    magicsabre wrote: »
    Each of Hyperstones can be exchanged by 8 Perfect Tokens of Luck.

    So, 1 Hyperstone cost 80k if price of Perfect Token of Luck is equal to 10k.

    And people "aren't buying heads" because everyone who has high level character with good equipment can sell heads himself or do it himself/in squad for free (see above post of Michael_Dark - Lost City).

    You log onto Raging Tides and find me one place selling tokens cheaper than 12k each right now....

    I don't mind your input but next time think before you speak. Or just read the rest of my post, where i continued to describe why the costs of hypers was currently at 100k each. Michael also has a valid point, but it doesn't encompass the whole server population, just like my point doesn't either. Have a good day.
  • lordhanzo
    lordhanzo Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sell high: greedy jerk!

    Sell low: stupid seller!

    b:shutup
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  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    You log onto Raging Tides and find me one place selling tokens cheaper than 12k each right now....

    I don't mind your input but next time think before you speak. Or just read the rest of my post, where i continued to describe why the costs of hypers was currently at 100k each. Michael also has a valid point, but it doesn't encompass the whole server population, just like my point doesn't either. Have a good day.

    I thought about my post and explained how cost of Hyperstone is calculated.

    I not found same in your post.

    Think before you write anything.
  • _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear
    _Surreal_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,458 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    What is this I don't even
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  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    magicsabre wrote: »
    I thought about my post and explained how cost of Hyperstone is calculated.

    I not found same in your post.

    Think before you write anything.


    I'm sorry I can't understand what you're writing. Could you please try a translation program? It might yield better results.

    b:bye
  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I usually sell rooms when I'm leveling an alt and it gets me decent profits even with the repair fees and 10-20 crab meat I might use. Selling heads only will get me around a mil in profits and a bit over a mil and a half for the mobs too. Is it good money, not really considering it takes an hour to get to the damn room. However I'm getting at least a mil while leveling an alt which is a win win situation.
  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I'm sorry I can't understand what you're writing. Could you please try a translation program? It might yield better results.

    b:bye

    Hyper EXP Stone can be created from 8 Perfect Tokens of Luck as I wrote in my first post.

    If price of it (Perfect Tokens of Luck) is equal to 10k, then price of Hyper EXP Stone:
    8*10,000 coins=80,000 coins


    I not see anything wrong in it.
  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    magicsabre wrote: »
    Hyper EXP Stone can be created from 8 Perfect Tokens of Luck as I wrote in my first post.

    If price of it (Perfect Tokens of Luck) is equal to 10k, then price of Hyper EXP Stone:
    8*10,000 coins=80,000 coins


    I not see anything wrong in it.

    There you go, highlighted it for you. That's the parts that's wrong. Token are not currently equal to 10k. It's more like 12.5k on average atm.

    8*12,500 coin = 100,00 coins.


    I explained this in my first post. Do you understand now?
  • magicsabre
    magicsabre Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    @Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide

    I not saw it there, sorry.

    Even now I can't see something like 12.5k or 12500 in quoted by me your first post.

    In any case FC sellers spammed World chat with FC runs but they have not enough buyers for their proposition.
  • Alsiadorra - Sanctuary
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary Posts: 1,004 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    What's sadder is people are selling FCC 95+ now... Ya know, some people actually love to run the full instance ~_~.
  • BladedZero - Sanctuary
    BladedZero - Sanctuary Posts: 211 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What's sadder is people are selling FCC 95+ now... Ya know, some people actually love to run the full instance ~_~.

    I used to run the full thing until I came back to the game and found out the goons exp got nerfed.
  • sweetpaulina
    sweetpaulina Posts: 21 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    I did not play a few months but now when I come back i wanna do lvl 100 and go to FC. I have seen that there is so so so so so little exp. With X12 hyper active and heads, mobs all FC I made 6-8 %. How can that be? I spend tons of coins on repairs, pots, and time of course. maybe that is the reason they go cheap, no more EXP<>
  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Alsiadorra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Ya know, some people actually love to run the full instance ~_~.

    +1
    I think Ive gotten over 30+ of those faithfulness/sincerities from half runs...Its a hassle to try to coerce a squad to go to the end, so I just collect them till I can solo the entire place on my BM     b:cold
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Sarrafeline - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The economy blows chunks in this game, especially right now coming off some massive sales. I've moved 243 tokens in my shop, and sold one ring. In a week.

    Competition is high, prices are high, people aren't selling or buying anything. Hell, even I'm not buying stuff right now.
    One of the most basic rules about the PWI economy is that if certain items are on-sale for cheap enough, nothing else seems to matter.

    The recent Pack sale was just such an occasion. Now, with so many merchants over-loaded with tons of cheap Packs, most players with spare coins are apparently choosing to spending those coins on Packs.

    I've sold about 2.3 billion worth of Packs in the past week. My guess is that at least a half-dozen of my competitors have moved similar numbers, which means that about 1.4 trillion coins have been spent in the Pack market after the sale ended. So there's still tons of profit to be made, and the economy is just as over-heated as ever, but it's still being dominated by Packs.
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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    If the costs outweigh the benefits, I'd suggest doing something else.
    our economy is completely messed up right now after that massive x2 plus holiday sales.

    This, and what Warren said above.

    3+ Months ago heads were 700k a spot.
    Right now they are 500k a spot.

    My typical run, lazily, is about 30 minutes to heads, 5-15 crabmeat, 2 Turtle Orbs, and zero charm ticks. So with repairs thats about 150k a run max, 2.25m+ profit most likely. Still profit, but is it worth your time?

    Likewise, WGTM, 15 minutes a run, 700k a spot. Split it, 1.4m a run. WGTM seems to generate faster, because you arent wasting a ton of time looking for people each run, and killing boss/room before heads. I waste a lot more crab and other pots and charm tick 1-2 times, so lets say maybe 5m an hour.

    So really WGTM vs Heads, WGTM prolly makes little bit less than 2m more an hour running with two people.

    Some TT runs I've gotten away with pulling out 1.5m-3m in mats, but that isn't guaranteed cash, and takes like 30ish mins a run depending on the TT.

    -or-

    I could go mow lawns/shovel driveways/clean houses/other random manual labor, and make way more coin selling gold.


    I think the biggest issue is practically anyone with 4.0 - 5.0 +5 weapons can clear to heads, and will do so to try and make cash, which creates a lot of competitors, which drives the services down.
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  • Tsukyini - Raging Tide
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide Posts: 1,766 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    3+ Months ago heads were 700k a spot.
    Right now they are 500k a spot.

    b:shocked

    On RT they were 500k per spot, and just now (as I'm posting this) I saw them being sold for 200k per spot for the level 84-94 range. b:surrender
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  • Tatuaje - Lost City
    Tatuaje - Lost City Posts: 2,780 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Tsukyini - Raging Tide wrote: »
    b:shocked

    On RT they were 500k per spot, and just now (as I'm posting this) I saw them being sold for 200k per spot for the level 84-94 range. b:surrender

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  • Maelael - Heavens Tear
    Maelael - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,497 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    At 200-350k a spot, thats 1m-1.75m a run.

    Not worth the time unless TT mats are even worse on your server. I'm almost sure I can AOE up 1m+ in DQs and **** drops in an hour too.
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  • Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide
    Bobobejumbo - Raging Tide Posts: 934 Arc User
    edited January 2012
    Maelael - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This, and what Warren said above.

    3+ Months ago heads were 700k a spot.
    Right now they are 500k a spot.



    Yeh I'm looking at WC right now on RT. 200k-250k per spot. I saw someone selling for 150k an hour ago. I'm sure people would love to be getting 500k right now.

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